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Art Eatman
November 17, 2011, 09:48 AM
Just for you lil Bubba, just for you:

http://www.aetv.com/lady-hoggers/about/

:D:D:D

rickyrick
November 17, 2011, 11:31 AM
They castrated a boar and released it back on society??? What the hey?

tahunua001
November 17, 2011, 12:14 PM
sounds like it's right on up there with swamp people :D

Major Dave (retired)
November 17, 2011, 12:15 PM
he still can attack Miz Virginia with his cutters, and he can still tear up a field rooting around!

That's DUMB!!!:mad:

shortwave
November 17, 2011, 06:58 PM
That does it!

Time to import some feral hogs and call the 'Hog Ladies' in for removal.

Don't know if I can get the Mrs. to go along with the program. :o

Shane Tuttle
November 17, 2011, 08:06 PM
Drive-by.

CLOS....Oh, waitaminute...

Brent, you're gonna like this one...

twins
November 17, 2011, 08:43 PM
Women in tight clothing with plenty of cleavage chasing after hogs with dogs.....only in America.

At least the women in "American Hoggers" carry guns.

I don't see how chasing down wild animal with dogs is called "hunting".

Shane Tuttle
November 17, 2011, 08:45 PM
I guess you're not educated on the art of hunting?

Double Naught Spy
November 17, 2011, 09:37 PM
Okay, got a chance to watch it. What a disappointment. What I learned from Lady Hoggers would be that the Lady Hoggers are inept and that the men do all the real work. Let's see, the women first lost their dogs, couldn't make the dog tracker work, and didn't get the boar that is supposedly (incorrectly so) the problem for this giant ranch. So they let their male counterpart try, complain that he doesn't know what he is doing, doesn't know where his dogs are when he does, and complains when he catches the hog without their help and claim that he endangered them by doing so. Afterwards, they castrate the boar and apparently proclaim the hog problem rectified and take a day off because they worked so hard.

The other male and his buddy caught hogs on another property just fine and without so much complaining. They also didn't release hogs back into the wild to cause more problems.

What a disappointment.

tahunua001
November 17, 2011, 10:58 PM
but they aren't a problem anymore once they lose their jingle bells:eek: ;)

Art Eatman
November 18, 2011, 12:10 AM
twins, folks have been hunting with dogs for thousands of years.

Before the American Kennel Club got into the act, dachshunds and poodles were hunting dogs. The Russian Wolfhound has that label for a reason. And aside from the various breeds of bird dogs, there are such as the Weimaraner and the Rhodesian Ridgeback.

But there's nothing to it, if you can run for some number of miles in, say, the Rocky Mountains or in jungle swamps without stopping.

Roy McBride of Alpine, Texas, was an international authority on hunting the big cats with dogs. Up into his eighties, he'd run 12 to 15 miles every day to keep his dogs in shape.

hogdogs
November 18, 2011, 10:17 AM
I have seen the previews but not a show yet.

This'n may be better than the other 3 attempts at portraying hog doggin... It won't take much work at all as the 3 others were absolutely sorry renditions of serious hoggers using their skills and minds to put feral hogs in the pen.

As for makin' a barr hog and releasing him, if it is in a place where land owner agrees I may barr a few young little boars.

Not every landowner asks for 100% eradication. Some want population reduction with a maintainable number. If they allow or ask, barrs can be made as they produce the best quality (better than a sow even) meat and more of it.

But short sleeves in the woods on a hog hunt is askin' for boo-boos!

I rather pull cat claw/ wait-a-minute/dammit thorn vines from my shirt sleeves than my arms...:D

I will watch it at least once when I can catch it.

Brent

rickyrick
November 18, 2011, 10:35 AM
I take these shows with a grain of salt and on face value of just entertainment.

The hogger shows are more entertaining than " Watch me Wisper in the Tree then Stick an Arrow in a Bears Kidney While Using Brand X's Scent Killer and Camoflage" shows.

Scorch
November 18, 2011, 11:51 AM
Well, in spite of sound reasoning not to, I took a look at the link. I must say that the brunette is, how to put this delicately, well padded, and the blonde is no slouch in that department either. So, whine and complain, drive around for 20 minutes of the show, chase a pig, cut him, and everybody is all smiles? I guess PT Barnum was right, no one ever lost money by underestimating the intellegence of the American public.

markj
November 18, 2011, 03:55 PM
But dont they ride horsiys too? :) saw the show, want to see the real deal which they wont show. A couple guys go out, set up, kill some hogs, lay em out for the yotes and shoot them too.

Or the helo with a full auto ripping them up in flight.

Or a couple dune buggys with M60s kinda like that old tv show had jeeps and machine guns they always beat the germans no matter how many tanks they had :) then go after the hogs...

Or turn the dogs loose, listen for the baying to change to a tree then go walk up and shoot the hog like we used to do on coons.

OK give me a camera, a feww mil and some good shooters and I will put on a show everyone here would love to watch. :) call it bloody hogs or something...

Double Naught Spy
November 18, 2011, 04:24 PM
I have seen the previews but not a show yet.

This'n may be better than the other 3 attempts at portraying hog doggin... It won't take much work at all as the 3 others were absolutely sorry renditions of serious hoggers using their skills and minds to put feral hogs in the pen.

As for makin' a barr hog and releasing him, if it is in a place where land owner agrees I may barr a few young little boars.

Not every landowner asks for 100% eradication. Some want population reduction with a maintainable number. If they allow or ask, barrs can be made as they produce the best quality (better than a sow even) meat and more of it.

You are right. Even if you didn't see the show, you are correct in that it is pretty sorry at least from the perspective of depicting the females. You may think so with the males, too.

As for barring the hog, the 80s+ client was being threatened with being put out of business by the hogs' destruction of her lands. The gals come in and proclaim some rooting near the house to be done by young hogs and so they prescribe the answer to the octagenerian's hog issue is to get the boar making all the sows pregnant that produce the little hogs. So they set out to find a boar. They manage to find a single boar with virtually no tusks...well their male partner does and they complain about it. The cutting supposed occurs, and the problem is solved! Amazing!

So the gals did nothing to reduce the current number of hogs depredating the woman's land and so they will continue to damage her lands just as they have been doing and the singular hog that was castrated won't impregnate any sows, but other males will come in very quickly or some of the small males will take over.

Scorch's channeling of PTB is on the money.

rickyrick
November 18, 2011, 04:47 PM
They didn't show the procedure, they cut to a different scene for the actual act. I was fairly amused at the night footage of cows, racoons and whatever getting their grub on in the circle trap.

twins
November 18, 2011, 08:53 PM
Art,
Fully understood the history behind using dogs in the past. I don't see the need for it these days. In these shows, they use a pit as the last attacking dog to take down the hogs. Nothing against a pit bull but a bit drastic IMO. If a hunter uses a dog to bay a wild animal so he doesn't have to do the dirty work, not my idea of hunting. More like shooting a caged animal.

Art Eatman
November 18, 2011, 10:11 PM
It's not a matter of need. And any form of hunting can be abused; we gripe about stuff here on a regular basis.

IOW, it's not something that I worry about, since I figure that not all dog hunting is like all other dog hunting. I know many who hunt deer or coons with dogs are in it as much for the sound of the chase as anything else; it's a form of music.

MacKinley Kantor caught much of it in his "The Voice of Bugle Ann".

Gripes about dog hunting remind me of those who denigrate ALL stand hunting. I know of millions of acres where no other style BUT hunting from a stand of some sort can be successful at all.

PawPaw
November 18, 2011, 10:45 PM
Fully understood the history behind using dogs in the past. I don't see the need for it these days.

I don't know how I'd hunt rabbits without a pack of beagles. There are lots of things I don't see a need for, but that doesn't make those things any less valid if someone does have a need for them.

hogdogs
November 18, 2011, 11:23 PM
twins, not only do I hog dog just because I can but it is an effective tool in feral hog eradication, control, management.

Not only can I challenge many with actual numbers of potential hogs removed with my dogs but I have other issues.

One is that a "strayed" hog dog is less risky than a stray bullet...;)
Often times, where you find the hogs to shoot them, they are not in a place where you will easily stalk in un noticed and if you do, they scatter at the shot/s and you won't likely get back on them during that hunt.

Traps are notoriously ineffective in overall population reduction.

Dogs serve many issues.
We can take out many from one herd with dogs that "relay" which is to leave this hog as soon as we have human control of it.

Also shooting hogs and removing them with traps encourages more breeding. Less competition for food sources increases not only feeding but optimizes fertile periods too.

Dogs, however, can increase not only immediate stress on the herd but they burn off needed energy running from my dogs. They immediately cese feeding to hide or relocate. Their feeding in the near future will be interrupted every time a yard dog barks for a bone. When pressure is high and feeding stress is present, you get reduced breeding practices.

And for higher volume hog sales, you need to deal with live hogs unless you are a USDA inspected and licensed meat dealer.

Want to buy a pig? I can't sell you a dead one but I will sell them live for $40+ unless I have some sucklers and a kid wants to raise it, than it is free.:)

Brent

bswiv
November 19, 2011, 05:18 AM
""And for higher volume hog sales, you need to deal with live hogs unless you are a USDA inspected and licensed meat dealer.""

Can you expound on the state/federal rules?

What is your liability if selling live?

Obviously we sell "wild" gators......but dead so tell us how the hog selling works?

shortwave
November 19, 2011, 06:59 AM
Gripes about dog hunting remind me of those who denigrate ALL stand hunting...

...or those that denigrate long range shooting of wild game.

I guess a good rule of thumb before you knock a style of hunting is actually try that style of hunting or learn more about the style of hunting your fixin to bash BEFORE you bash it. Differences in terrain and population(humans) of areas are big consideration that DNR's usually use when deeming whether a certain style of hunting should be legal or not.

As I posted on a prior thread that led into much bashing of stand hunting by a few, come on down and I'll dare you to 'stalk hunt' many areas on my property and much of the surrounding property.
You'll be naked by the end of the day.;)

You won't hunt rabbits(or anything else) without dogs. Thats for sure.

Course, if the 'Hog Ladies' would like to come and try, I'll let you guys know the price of admission to watch.:D

Also, in many places, there are resort areas with hog problems. Dogs are the way to go to eradicate the hogs as its just better for business.

Again, we all have our opinions of what hunting is, but is it really fair to knock anothers style of hunting without knowing the reasons why that style of hunting is legal in the first place. Too, you may want to get a Webster's and look up the definition of the word 'hunting'.

thallub
November 19, 2011, 07:04 AM
700 pound boar hogs with 6" tusks. i'm scared already. Very sadly disappointed too: Why do most of my wild hogs look like these?

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll268/alsaqr/DSC01241.jpg

hogdogs
November 19, 2011, 08:29 AM
bswiv, In fla, the live hog is considered to be feral only when wild... Once caught it is legally considered a "pig". Thus I am a pig farmer when I possess live pigs.

I am under the same restrictions as a farmer. I have to sell live swine that has had a visit from the vet... My "herd" has to be in general good health. I am not sure of immediate regs. this year but in the past, there were times inoculations were up to the vet and some times required for the typical 3 or so pig cooties.

With the true ol' fashion country vets we have up here, it really isn't too high. If my smoker has a hog on it when he comes out saturday while his office is closed, and the keg ain't no light beer, I have paid under $10 bucks a head for my "sign off".

It ain't something you will find much talk of... Keeping these transactions low key keeps some busy bodies from taking yet more away from us.

Unless rules recently changed, in texas, feral hogs can and were run thru ag auctions legally. Once thru the first auction, they are considered domestic pigs with a real bad attitude...

Kinda cruel to unsuspecting buyers who have no idea the pigs they buy in ohio and michigan could be some texas terror. And these swine can easily escape the average operation fencing and other barriers... Spreading feral swine far and wide legally.

The folks who contact me, know exactly what they are getting.

Brent

hogdogs
November 19, 2011, 09:21 AM
Shortwave has it pretty much well put.

I do gun hunt... But I could argue that any one that kills from a distance is a lazy slob hunter...

Only those of us who physically restrain and hogtie live animals is a real hunter?

We should just respect each others pursuit of hunting satisfaction so long as it is legal.
http://img.printfection.com/1/732/12590250/yH3QC.jpg

http://www.printfection.com/hogdogs-outdoors-and-custo/Hog-Doggers-make-em-squeal-Womens-Fitted-Cap-Sle/_p_6544201

But this is the first design in my new entrepreneurial enterprise. Keep an eye out... in no time at all, I will be loading up with all sorts of outdoor, huntin. fishin' and shooting related stuff...

Brent

Keg
November 29, 2011, 12:04 AM
Some of yall are taking this reality (not reality) show too serious....They catch hogs and such:D....Thats why folks are watchin (note what others have said)....Lighten up....Many of the deer huntin shows are huntin high fence and small property.....They won't say and won't show the fence tho.....

Mike Irwin
November 29, 2011, 08:57 AM
This isn't a locker room, fellas.

It's a HUNTING forum on a FIREARMS board.

If you have thoughts and/or comments of another nature pertaining to members of the show's cast, or their attributes, keep them to yourselves.

C0untZer0
November 29, 2011, 09:46 AM
Christie's dog looks a little like a Rhodesian Ridgeback.

I've seen all sorts of different breeds used for hog hunting.

There are all sorts of specialized breeds, fox hounds for fox hunting, Bluetick Coonhound for racoons, Rhodesian Ridgeback for hunting lions, etc..

I've never heard of a specialized breed of hog hound, but have seen a lot of YouTubers employ the big muscular bull type dogs... like the American Staffordshire Terrier

Is there one breed that does the best, or are there different breeds within a hunting pack that perform different functions? Like a blood hound type dog to track them and the bull terrier type dog to engage them?

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75878&stc=1&d=1322577939
http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75879&stc=1&d=1322577938

hogdogs
November 29, 2011, 10:57 AM
For finding/baying dogs, several breeds are good for specific traits...
Variations in terrain, land parcel size, hog behavior as well as hunting styles cause us to seek certain breeds/crosses for different uses...

Catahoula curr
Black mouth curr
Yellow black mouth curr
Mountain Curr
Plott Hound

All of these come to mind right off the top...
Some folks even use Jack Russel and feist type dogs...

One thing that is a sure bet... The dog has to be what we call "gritty"... Many dogs with a superior nose are out there but when the hog bumps them, they head for the safety of the dog box.

There are some specialized crosses of late as well...
Bird dog X Pitbull= a "Running catch dog with a good bit of nose" will catch most hogs solo but may bay a big or mean fighter. May try to catch the hog on command...

Any of the above "currs" crossed to a dog from catch dog lines= A curr that may lose a little "nose" (debatable) but will try most any hog if the breeding went as planned.

For catch dogs, we have some flexibility too but most of us have very strict standards they must attain consistently to be a catch dog...

For me I will not accept the following...
Sizing up the hog... Just get in there and catch.

Re-biting... A dog that lets go to get another bite is gonna get someone hurt and it won't be me...

Unabated dog aggression... No explanation required.

"curring out"... this is when a dog decides that catching is too risky and stops the catch to any degree.

The bull dogs a real hogger seeks out will not be from any show lines. Most of us have a line on replacements from "working lines".

I prefer a pit crossed to an american bulldog as they catch well and are easier to train to "handle"...

An amped up bulldog on the lead in the woods can be a stressful exercise in futility...

Brent

C0untZer0
November 29, 2011, 01:10 PM
I didn't know that the Catahoula Cur is also called the Catahoula Hog Dog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catahoula_Cur

Plott Hounds are boar hunters used in Germany in the 1700s, named after Johannes Plott who brought them here from Germany in 1750.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plott_Hound

The Plott article seems to reference a failed attempt to cross breed the Catahoula (Leopard Dog) with the Plott Hound.

The Mountain Cur seems to be the burliest of the the breeds - maybe the closest to a bull dog in build. But the accounts of the Plott Hounds being ferocious fighters are pretty incredible.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75883&stc=1&d=1322590189

It doesn't seem like the women on the show have very good dogs.


I've seen those YouTube videos of 5 or 6 guys who take hogs with the thermal optics and all that.

Are you saying dogs can take more hogs than those types of hunts?


.

rickyrick
November 29, 2011, 02:08 PM
You really don't need fancy optics, hogs are easily recognized by gait alone. Once you've picked one out a quick bump with a red spotlight, typically one pig per gun. The most effective means is with dogs, that's how all of the pros do it.

Gun hunting and traps are an effective ways to deter pigs for a few weeks, but if you have assets that interest them. They will return.


BTW Brent, do you have any shirts for us gunners? LOL "one dies, the rest fly!" That's a good slogan....

Double Naught Spy
November 29, 2011, 02:09 PM
I've seen those YouTube videos of 5 or 6 guys who take hogs with the thermal optics and all that.

Are you saying dogs can take more hogs than those types of hunts?

It is somewhat situational. People with dogs certainly seem to get more hogs more regularly than typical rifle hunters (thermal, NV, or regular optics). This is because the dogs can sense and track hogs that are not in the immediate vicinty and lead the hunter to the hogs. In the wide open, thermal and night vision works great, and many of the vids you see are where folks are hunting in open fields. That is where they do have a real advantage. Problem is that hogs tend to spend a lot of time in grown over areas such as woods, swamps, or scrub areas where the thermal and NV scopes are of a much more limited use.

Folks with various thermal, NV, or regular optics are much more apt to lose a wounded hog in the woods than doggers would lose. ;)

hogdogs
November 29, 2011, 02:12 PM
Night huntin' with NVG and guns has potential to take incredible numbers but it fails to pressure the survivors.

That is one huge factor with utilizing dogs. Keeping the hogs running leaves less time for feeding and breeding.

With less stressful methods, you just remove food competition which promotes maximized breeding efforts.

And NO these TV shows all have had nothin' but junk dogs. My first dog was better than any of these culls... They couldn't find a fart in a closet if they made it them self...:D

And not a one of their catch dogs has shown what a good bulldog does...
Mine head in full speed, slam into the bugger with and audible thud while getting a solid ear or jaw clamp and hang on for the ride until we physically remove them.

Maybe they consider serious dogs too graphic or something...

Brent

hogdogs
November 29, 2011, 02:19 PM
My shop is literally days away from being able to take off... I will use that slogan or something similar. One will be "BLACK HOG DOWN" with cross hairs on the pig.

I will be lookin' for both phrase ideas as well as graphics ideas and pics to convert to art...

I hope to avoid all types of clip art... For instance, I can convert a pic of a deer head mount to a silhouette or painting etc and someone will know that their pic was the basis...

Brent

Major Dave (retired)
December 4, 2011, 07:45 PM
Better copywrite those slogans - anyone can steal them, if you don't. :mad:

hogdogs
December 5, 2011, 01:46 AM
MJR., Most of these I wouldn't feel I invented so nothing to copywrite/right 'cept the actual art design which is already CR by rules...

If I do one with what I feel I created... you can bet yer bottom dollar and a cat poo outa the litter box that I will secure it as well as possible... and let me see a "Hollywood Hogger" wearing a bootleg copy...

Brent

dieselbeef
December 5, 2011, 07:25 AM
come to my place and bring yer dogs or anyone else that wants to exterminate some pigs...ill even drag off the dead ones...ill be outta the cattle biz by spring cuz i wont have any pasture left. trapping aint catchin em..to many coons i guess...

kill em all!

hogdogs
December 5, 2011, 09:14 AM
Diesel, Assuming you were serious, I started a thread on a hog dogger forum...

If you want a sho-nuff real hog dogger to help, I reckon it can begin by the end of the week...

Get me a PM with email/phone etc...
Brent

rex_lee
December 5, 2011, 09:38 AM
I've been hunting hogs with dogs for 20 years, believe me the guy from Texas (and his wife) on that hog hunting reality show are the laughing stock among hog hunters here in Texas. Not one single 'hog dogger' I know (and I know A LOT) thinks they are anything but silly. It is pretty funny, actually, but a little embarrassing since they are representing Texas, and are basically hog hunting idiots.

hogdogs
December 5, 2011, 09:41 AM
While still very polite... Rex puts it well regarding the hollywood hog doggers...

Brent

Buzzcook
December 5, 2011, 11:51 AM
I recently found out that the Great Dane was originally breed to be a wild boar hound.
I don't think there are any other pure breed hunting dogs specifically breed for that purpose.

The show in question has all the things I dislike about reality TV.

rex_lee
December 5, 2011, 11:54 AM
Buzzcook, research the Dogo Argentino. It is a breed of dog that i raise. They come from Argentina and were specifically created for hunting wild boar and puma. I have used cur dogs of various breeds, and pit bulls. The Dogo is purpose 'built' for hog hunting and is what I have upgraded to.

The modern great dane is nothing like the great dane that was used for boar hunting. If you read up on it, it is gigantic now compared to when it was actually bred for it's original purpose.

hogdogs
December 5, 2011, 11:57 AM
Rex, you may have heard of a couple dogo guys I know of... Oly Rivera (fla) and a Marvin (La.) both hunt their dogs...

Brent

dieselbeef
December 5, 2011, 12:27 PM
happen to know james that lives in myakka and works for the manatee county? :confused:

rex_lee
December 5, 2011, 03:33 PM
Hogodogs,
Yea, I know those guys. Been friends with Oly for years. I used to hang out on hog hunting message boards from the late 90's - mid 2000's but got tired of the constant drama. I keep to the gun related forums now. Got tired of having the same old arguments with every new batch of instant internet hog dogging experts that came along, over and over and over. At least on these gun message boards it is different arguments with instant internet experts! haha

Tall Oly that MAC from Los Cazadores Dogos says hey..

C0untZer0
December 5, 2011, 04:05 PM
When I researched the Plott Hound, there were references that it was bred specifically to hunt wild boar.

It was only later when they came to America (and got the name Plott), that they were also used to hunt bear and coon.

So I think the Plott Hound counts as a dog bred specifically for hogs. It just happened to see use in hunting bear and racoons also.

C0untZer0
December 5, 2011, 04:10 PM
The Dogo Argentino looks so much like the American Bulldog, I may have been seeing Dogo Argentinos on the various YouTube videos mistaking them for bull dogs / pit bull mixes.

rex_lee
December 5, 2011, 04:52 PM
C0untZer0, only superficially.

They are designed for running/hunting with riders on horseback, and in person are a quite a bit leggier, and deeper in the chest. Have the blocky head and muscled up shoulders in common, which is what most people notice.

shortwave
December 5, 2011, 07:53 PM
The Dogo Argentino is a beautiful dog. First one I ever saw was in my yard and put me back in my truck when I got out to run him off. He was a brindle with nothing but head,teeth and muscle. Looked like a pitbull on steroids. I reached through the slider window feeling for the machete I had put in the back to take to work and sharpen but couldn't find it and watch dog at same time. Didn't have my pistol. :rolleyes:

He stood outside my truck snarling,slobbering and showing his fangs for a good ten minutes before meandering off through the woods.

After some talking to the neighbors, found out he came from a farm two ridges over. The guy raises them so I made a trip to his place. Didn't want to gripe but to see more of the dogs.

They were friendly at his place and with five on the premises, don't think he had to worry about any prowlers. The adult male(the brindle which was at my house) was absolutely massive. Even bigger then I remembered. Coarse, I was outside my truck petting him at this time(after owner assured me I'd be ok) , telling the owner what had happened. He apologized,said he wasn't aware dog had been loose and told me they are a very territorial, protective breed. I didn't tell him if I would have got to that machete, I was going to cut his head off.:o
Glad it turned out as it did.

He had two adult females and two 3/4 grown pups.

Come to find out, the male brindle was actually climbing the kennel chain link fence to get out. Owner had to chain link in the top of kennel.

Apparently, they are good climbers also.:)

rex_lee
December 5, 2011, 09:52 PM
I don't know what you saw, but Dogos only come in white...part of the breed standard, have to be solid white with the exception that a spot on the head is allowed. Could be it was a dogo cross of some kind.

Mike

C0untZer0
December 5, 2011, 10:29 PM
A friend of mine in the Army had a Blue Tick Coon Hound that could climb chain link fences, and there are some people that when I tell them the dog could climb a chain link fence they tell me I'm full of it. But I saw that dog climb a 6 foot fence with my own eyes.

hogdogs
December 5, 2011, 10:48 PM
Hey MAC!!! I know the kennel name well from various discussions over the years... We may have even engaged in the whole breed standards issue with the dogo...

I am the guy who felt if culling for color standards stopped might reduce possible recessive gene health issues...

I would love to try out a few dogos that fail the color standards.

Brent

Buzzcook
December 5, 2011, 11:45 PM
Rex Lee I know of the Dogo. My post was of AKC pure breeds so that's why I didn't mention them.

Over the last 100 or so years humans have messed up a lot of dogs by demanding artificial standards.

dieselbeef
December 6, 2011, 07:34 AM
hog dog post the link to that other forum or email me

gary.carvis@pepsico.com

rex_lee
December 6, 2011, 08:50 AM
I know exactly where you guys are coming from on the whole color thing.

My hunting buddies (who also hunt with dogos) and I have this discussion regularly. We all wish that the dogo had been made in brindle. It woud be REALLY close to the perfect hunting dog.

But to those of us who are working to preserve the integrity of the breed - trying to stay true to the intent of what the breed is supposed to be, they have to be white.

If you just want some good hog dogs, cross a dogo to any other kind solid hog dog, and they almost always come out brindle, and more power to you.

;)

Buzzcook, just for informational purposes - the Dogo Argentino is a pure breed, and is recognized by the AKC.

hogdogs
December 6, 2011, 09:06 AM
Rex, I would be willing to sign a contract in a lawyer's office stating I will never call the "wrong colored dogos" by the name if you get me 2 "cull" pups with some color patches on them...

Me and Oly are/were pretty close... Heck I dropped an engine in a truck for him and later bought that truck... but he and I butt heads on that color issue... Like politics... He don't mention dogos to me and I won't say WHITE ain't Right in his presence either...:D

Brent

rex_lee
December 6, 2011, 10:12 AM
I don't get bent out of shape about it. All that kind of stuff is exactly why I quit hanging around those boards...lol.

Life is too short for all that.

If my buddy ever does what he says, and breeds a line of brindle dogos and calls them 'Dogo Tejanos' or 'Dogo Americanos' I will let you know. He really says he is going to do it someday.

Double Naught Spy
December 9, 2011, 10:40 AM
Well after several weeks of Lady Hoggers (and American Hoggers), I have become quite depressed by reality hog hunting.

I noticed something last night when I was watching a couple of the more recent episodes of Lady Hoggers that I had not realized previously, but when I checked the Tivo'd episodes, was present there as well.

I noticed that the camera operator is consistently able to spot the hogs before the hoggers are, is often fairly close to the hogs to get a shot of the hog's butt as it run's away, and often arrives at the hogs caught by the dogs before any of the hoggers get there. Heck, he even beats the dogs to the hogs sometimes! Obviously, the camera operator has a real knack for getting to the hogs, both in spotting them early and during the catch. I find it amazing that the operator is consistently faster despite having to carry his camera gear. :rolleyes:

Then I figured it out when they showed Gary (the male Lady Hogger) running in to control a hog the dogs have. They showed his run in from two different angles. The first angle was from right behind the hog and dogs up close at dog eye level, looking slightly upwards. I could see the top of the hog and dogs in th bottom of the image and Gary running in from the top of the image. Gary has a buddy with him that is coming in almost directly behind Gary.

Then the shot changes to a wider shot from a different angle. Where the camera used in the previous shot should have been, there is only open terrain. As Gary and his partner run in, the partner isn't directly behind Gary anymore, but well off to the side. In other words, they shot the run-in approach and taken down at least twice.

So how is it that the camera operator is always in such a good position to spot hogs running away and often faster than the hoggers and their dogs? All the shots are staged. It would appear that the hogs are previously captured and the camera operator allowed to get into place and the hog released. From the looks of things, they are apparently catching and releasing the same hog (or very similar looking hogs) several times in order to get their shots.

There may be some actual hog catching footage in the shows, but a lot of what is being shown is staged.

Oh, and I really liked the shots from the dog's cameras when the dogs were chasing a hog at dusk. Images went from previously colored footage to dramatic night vision green footage, but there was no changing of the equipment on the dogs. They are using faux night vision. The green footage is digital manipulation of the regular color footage.

dieselbeef
December 9, 2011, 10:44 AM
no way dude..that show is 100% real...ask em..theyll tell ya:rolleyes:

rickyrick
December 9, 2011, 02:56 PM
Hey DNS,

I was wondering when you were gonna check in on this.

I noticed too, just the other day, that I swear the pig was released from in front of the truck some place and he looked slightly over fed.

I have ran across a few fat pigs from time to time. but the ones I usually call 'big' are more accurately described as 'fit'

markj
December 9, 2011, 03:29 PM
I should dig up the old vids and send em to them folks, show en how we used to do it when I was young.

Had 5 pit bulls, long legged runners not the squat over muscled fighting dogs. These dogs would run the hog to ground, grab ahold and tear it up till you got there with the long knife and did the deed. Slice the throat, stick knife down throat till you hit the heart. That pig is dead!!

I dont run pits any more now. I am old and cant run like I used to.

Was out in the carolinas in the late 70s early 80s. Had dogs frrom a guy name of Grady Cummings.

Hunted deer with them dogs too.

Double Naught Spy
December 9, 2011, 05:11 PM
I was wondering when you were gonna check in on this.

Well you know, those were the only things wrong with the show, but I figured that delving into all the incorrect statments that the make about hogs, population growth, sounder composition, population control, and the successfulness of their activities that we would need a whole other thread.

I am continually dismayed by the actual Lady Hoggers preoccupation with population control through the boar side of the sexual equation. One of the hogs caught (in the episodes I watched last night) was a boar and the brunette Lady Hogger was just so proud because a sounder like the one they were chasing has only one boar and since they got the "these right here" (as she pat the hog's testicles) "we have just stopped a lot of problems." Strangely, they don't seem to understand that one boar can and will copulate with lots of females and boars are not in short supply. Sure the boars they catch won't be mating again, but the females will still be getting just as pregnant and continuing to birth new generations.

Any hog removed is a good thing, but the few boars they catch aren't actually doing anything to negatively affect the population, contrary to their claims.

rr2241tx
December 9, 2011, 07:38 PM
If you seriously intend to affect the hog population then you need a saloon door and a stack of cow panels and T posts AND a darned good plan for dealing with the number of animals you are going to catch. It's good when you catch one or two, everybody likes sausage. It's a whole 'nuther thing when you check the trap and there's 200 in it.