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30Cal
October 24, 2011, 06:02 PM
One of my backburner desires was a pre-64 Winchester Model 70, but they've always been too spendy for my budget. Well I saw one at the local gunshop a couple weeks back with a reasonable pricetag. It looked a little ragged indoors. It had a couple coats of heavy varnish (look at those yellow-line spacers)--whoever did it didn't bother to take it out of the stock.

It's turning out waaaaaaay better than I thought it would as I was standing there in the store. I've stripped the stock down, and am refinishing it in Tung Oil. I really thought the wood would way outshine the metal (new stock on a worn action), but on closer inspection, the metal is 99%--all that light rust turned out to be varnish fingerprints.

I dumped the Tasco and picked up an old Redfield 4x to mount on it. My dad found a replacement rear sight. I've got to fix a crack behind the magazine well, and I'm going to do a light bedding job before we hit the range.

Took these when I got it home, before doing any work. Looks a hell of a lot better than it did in the store. I figured the field grade M1 I gave up was a pretty fair trade, but I think now that I the better end of the deal.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/30CalTy/IMG_0875.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/30CalTy/IMG_0874.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/30CalTy/IMG_0876.jpg

30-30remchester
October 24, 2011, 06:23 PM
Welcome to the world of old Winchesters. They can become very addictive.

PeterTitan
October 24, 2011, 06:23 PM
Very nice.

briandg
October 24, 2011, 06:42 PM
No checkering?

I really suspect that this is a fajen drop in replacement stock. Got good wood?

I agree. Peel off the varnish, see if you can get a nice, simple checker job, and you will have a wonderful piece.

briandg
October 24, 2011, 07:23 PM
After looking again, I'm more certain than ever that it is a fajen replacement.

Winchester would never have put that diagonal cut forend on. That forend tip, at least on mine, is rosewood. Mine came square cut and I left the square cut instead of rounding it off. Their standard wood was ozark forest grown black walnut that was good, dense, well colored, and it usually had good grain, even in lower grades, but nothing special in the lower grades. I never saw a single stock from them that wasn't head and shoulders above the typical wooden stock in the past. Now that everything is plastic, a walnut stock is invariably better than they ever were in the past on the lower and entry level rifles.

Fusion
October 24, 2011, 07:34 PM
Did that Tasco scope hold zero? Was it made in Japan? If yes to both of those and you want to get rid of it, shoot me a pm.

30Cal
October 24, 2011, 07:42 PM
Don't know. It's chinese.

30Cal
October 24, 2011, 07:53 PM
I think you're right about the stock. It a pretty good piece of walnut with a modest amount of figure to it.

30-30remchester
October 24, 2011, 08:28 PM
I have studied these model Winchesters for about 45 years now and have an extensive library for research. I didnt realise there was a question about stock originality. The stock is definately NOT Winchester, though it is a nice piece of lumber. Gun was built from 1960 to 1963. What caliber is she?

mrawesome22
October 24, 2011, 09:09 PM
Yeah the stock looks like they were trying to get a Weatherby look.

Looks beautiful though :)

I have always thought Weatherby had the best looking stocks around.

4V50 Gary
October 24, 2011, 09:11 PM
Great job of restoration. Good that the Tasco was dumped for a 4X Redfield too. You did everything right and made a classic American gun into an All- American gun.

30Cal
October 24, 2011, 09:12 PM
Thanks Gary.

30-06

warbirdlover
October 25, 2011, 11:45 AM
I would start with a new piece of wood more resembling the factory stock on the pre-64 versions OR maybe better yet the current versions. Maybe like the new "lightweight" stock with the cool fore-end. Sorry but I think that would totally transform this rifle into a real gem.

fatwhiteboy
October 25, 2011, 09:27 PM
Very Nice. Which caliber?

Northrunner
October 26, 2011, 01:57 AM
Hey you guys...about that 4X Redfield...what can you tell me about it's quality?The reason I ask is recently I bought a used rifle and it also had a 4X Redfield. Are they a good scope? I've always had Leupolds.
Thanks...

PetahW
October 26, 2011, 10:43 AM
FWIW, Colorado-made Redfield scopes from the 70's were the Gold Standard in quality scopes before Leupold.

Weaver was the Buick, Bushnell the Chevrolet.

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briandg
October 26, 2011, 11:22 AM
Tasco filled the gap between the pinto and the skateboard.

There were still times that you were better off on foot even then.

Northrunner
October 26, 2011, 12:19 PM
PetahW,
This Redfield scope I've got is a 4x "Tracker" model. Any idea how old it may be or any other info about it's quality or if it was made in Colorado?

Thanks again...

warbirdlover
October 26, 2011, 06:58 PM
Tasco filled the gap between the pinto and the skateboard.

There were still times that you were better off on foot even then.

briandg

God I love this forum.... ;)

30Cal
October 28, 2011, 09:20 AM
Well, I pulled all the varnish off and put a more appropriate scope on it...

Look Ma! No more yellow-line spacers!
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/30CalTy/DSC_9619.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/30CalTy/DSC_9630.jpg

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/30CalTy/DSC_9620.jpg

Here's the worst of the finish wear...
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/30CalTy/DSC_9622.jpg

It's definitely less orange and more red in person than today's pics show. The initial pics I took are failing to show the before/after contrast. It went from looking 75-80% to 99%. Not crazy about the mounts, but they'll do. I don't think the iron sights will work w/ a set of Redfields.

mxracr
October 29, 2011, 08:41 AM
Maybe its just me, but i think it looks good either with or without the varnish. Nice looking rifle.

Get R Done Guns
October 29, 2011, 02:04 PM
Older Winchester = bad news. You will have to buy more!! :) you have opened up as the saying goes "a can of worms" they are wonderful and well made.

Hook686
October 29, 2011, 07:51 PM
1973 Winchester 30-06 with Redfield Widefield 3-9X scope of same year.


http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/30CalTy/DSC_9619.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/dmchinnock/Winchester/DSC_9442sml.jpg?t=1315188885

Aside from the checkering, what is the difference between a pre-64 and a 1973 ?

okbob51
October 30, 2011, 11:18 AM
Stock up on ammo now while all the major ammo makers have rebates and
then......take that bad boy out and shoot the hell out of it! Get to really know what it can and can't do. The only way to do that is to shoot the hell out of it!

whippoorwill
October 30, 2011, 04:36 PM
30 cal - I was going to mention, in response to another member's comment, that I had a Winchester Model 70 XTR with the "diagonal" cut to the forend. So, that alone didn't mean that it wasn't a Winchester stock. Now, the lack of checkering...

I was also going to warn you to be careful about stripping the finish, but you've already done it, and it looks great! My warning was that when I stripped the finish on my 70 XTR, the stuff I used ate away part of the white-line spacers on the forend and the butt plate. I had to get rid of the spacers completely. I was young and foolish at the time. Good thing I actually prefer no spacers, cause after the stripping I had no choice! But, I felt like an idiot for making such a mistake. :) The rifle now wears a Bell and Carlson stock, cause the wood stock was too pretty for serious hunting. Later, I sold the original stock on ebay. Wierd how this story gets more and more sad. Someone in Texas got a fantastic stock (beautiful, exceptional striping for a factory stock), albeit sans original white-line spacers. :) Sigh!

In any case, fine looking rifle you got there.

30Cal
October 30, 2011, 04:41 PM
Yeah, I masked the spacers off and was real careful in that area. One more for the road.

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm160/30CalTy/IMG_0877.jpg

rodfac
October 19, 2012, 12:24 PM
Good lookin' piece...nice buck it took last fall as I recall. D

TheBigO
October 19, 2012, 03:46 PM
My grandpa gave me a pre 64 model 70, chambered in 270. I refused to take it and then later came home to find it on my porch wrapped in a gun sock. It is the prize of all my collection. He told me he bought it for about $50 dollars new.:eek: I am at work right now otherwise I would attach a picture. It is perfect and priceless to me now.

Hook686
October 20, 2012, 02:09 AM
What is the big difference in the 1964 Model 70 and the 1973 Model 70 ? Why is the 1964 some much more desired ?

kraigwy
October 20, 2012, 06:36 PM
What is the big difference in the 1964 Model 70 and the 1973 Model 70 ? Why is the 1964 some much more desired ?

Because they don't make pre 64s any more. They had control round feed (mauser type extractor). Made a little different post 64, method more then anything else.

I'm a Wincherster guy, I have pre and post '64s. I also have the new FN Model 70. I don't think the quality of the post 64s that bad. Fact is my most accurate are post 64s.

The best, over all is the New FN in my opinion. Some how, can't figure why but I dont have a US Repeating Arms Model 70/ Don't know how that sunck by.

Any way I have a '73 Model 70 just like the one posted above. (Checkered Stock). Mine's in 375H&H. Got it brand new at the Ft Richardson AK PX in the spring of 74 for the high price of $235 New.

Just used i tthe other day to get this 5x5 elk.

http://photos.imageevent.com/kraigwy/huntinghorses/websize/Elk%201.JPG

hivel37
October 20, 2012, 07:57 PM
This conjures up good/bad memories.

I bought 2 Featherweight M70's in 1958 at the BX at Clark AFB at a price of $87 each. One in .308 and the other .243.

I didn't hang on to either one.

Keg
October 21, 2012, 05:27 AM
I like what U did with the gun..only I would like it better with steel rings and a decelerator pad...JMO

dgludwig
October 22, 2012, 06:35 PM
I would start with a new piece of wood more resembling the factory stock on the pre-64 versions

Yep, I have to agree with this suggestion. Pre-64 Winchester Model 70s should look like pre-64 Winchester rifles. I know I'm no doubt in the minority here but it's what I would do if I was lucky enough to own this fine rifle.

hooligan1
October 22, 2012, 07:00 PM
I wish I could download a pic of this "National Match" 30GOV06 my friend had that dude was beautiful, mint condition. It has been my favorite Winchester since I first saw it.