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Stressfire
September 1, 2011, 11:42 AM
So here's a fun one. Apologies for the length, but am going for accuracy.

Was out walking the dog last night around 11pm. Dumb? Perhaps, but when the girl's gotta go not many other options. I was also carrying my Bersa .45. Was about 3/4 of the way through our well-lit 2 block route when this guy (crackhead is likely, mid 20s, about 5'8" 140 or so) wanders out of a driveway behind me about 10 yards back.

I didn't really think much of it, but as I am a bit uncomfortable with strange people behind me, i nonchalantly jerk the dog's leash and get her to stop on a tree lawn, I then move aside and "allow" drug addled male to pass and he walks up the next driveway. I also noticed that he had a "talking" shoe - where the sole comes loose from the upper, this is important for later. I continue on my way.

As I was entering my driveway (i live in an older house split into 2 apartments) I hear a telltale "flapping" behind me, I check with my peripheral vision and see the guy from earlier walking down a driveway next door and coming out to the sidewalk. At this point it occurred to me that the guy had been following me through backyards.

I continue up the driveway and stop at the door to my apartment. I turn and see the man's shadow being cast across the driveway - he is hiding around the corner of the house (my door is at the rear of the house).

The short version is that I told him to go away, the actual language used is inappropriate for this site. I enter my apartment, lock the door, release the dog, and call up to my fiancee to get 911 ready to dial. Then I see the door handle jiggle. The door is older style with a large window taking up the upper portion. I peek through the side of the curtain opposite the knob and lock and see him attempting to jimmy the lock with a card.

Sigh..wonderful...Well, I am lacking in the home shotgun area, however I do have a recording on my cell phone of a Remington 870 being pumped. Technology does have its place:D in HD. So, I crank the volume, hit "play," and announce that should he continue with what he is doing he's going to find a lot more than he bargained for on the other side of the door. The next sound I heard was the rapid flapping of his talking shoe and confirmed with the fiancee upstairs that she had seen him bolting back down the drive. I thought no more of it for the rest of the night, but made certain to bolt and chain all doors. For the record, i did call the police afterwards, but they never showed up to take a report.

All told, a happy outcome...besides the fact that this crackfiend is still out and about and now knows where I live.

So, judgements? Comments? Suggestions? Snide remarks?

threegun
September 1, 2011, 12:06 PM
Sounds like you did all right. I own my home so had the shadow been cast on my property I would have up armed to my ar or shotgun and confronted them. Confronting is not the ideal thing to do but I would be a bit upset about someone following me and attempting to break in. Knowing its a single male gives me confidence that I could handle it.

The police in your area suck BTW. You should complain. Hillsborough County Sheriffs Dept. is wonderful at responding to these type calls.

Slopemeno
September 1, 2011, 12:36 PM
Good use of situational awareness. I'd keep an eye out for him for a while- he's probably sleeping in the oleanders behind you local 7-11/Circle-K.

Dennis1209
September 1, 2011, 02:01 PM
As silly as this sounds, there is NO law that the police are required to protect you. That's has been upheld in courts many times. Legally, the police do not even have to respond to an emergency call.

A. Chair Lawyer, PHD. and xyz :)

CLC
September 1, 2011, 02:09 PM
sounds good I think, but why didn't you just rack the slide of your pistol and tell him to buzz off? I know its easy for me to say but if you live in a nice neighborhood I would like to think I would have taken notice sooner.

Stressfire
September 1, 2011, 02:19 PM
The police in your area suck BTW

Trust me, I know. But complain to who? Chiefs who condone laziness, or city officials who really only care once every couple years?

Yes, I am aware that there is NO law that the police are required to protect you


why didn't you just rack the slide of your pistol and tell him to buzz off?

I had actually thought about that, but it was already loaded and the hammer doesn't make much sound when cocked. Didn't want to risk a slam-fire or AD and end up capping the guy as I would have no justification at that point.

Then i remembered the recording I had from my last session out at the FIL's property when I took his 870 for a spin.

I am not terribly worried for myself - I have the capability to defend myself both physically and ballistically - I am more concerned for my fiancee who refuses to touch any firearm:confused:...but that is a topic for a different thread

threegun
September 1, 2011, 02:54 PM
Trust me, I know. But complain to who? Chiefs who condone laziness, or city officials who really only care once every couple years?

Yes, I am aware that

Here in Tampa the Mayor selects the police chief. I would start there. Our county sheriff is elected so if he messes up bam gone.

VinnyT
September 1, 2011, 02:55 PM
So, you went inside the house and then he tries to use a card to enter knowing that you just went in? That's odd.

aarondhgraham
September 1, 2011, 02:56 PM
That's odd.

Isn't it though,,,

Aarond

TheNocturnus
September 1, 2011, 03:03 PM
Crackheads are dangerous folk. They are fiending for that next fix and will kill to get it. I'd say you did alright but it would worry me that now that guy knows where you live and that you have guns. Not to add to the worry but call the cops back again and stress the fact that you are afraid for your fiancee. Also talk to your fiancee, she may have just changed her mind about guns now that evil has literally been at her front door.

As Dave Chappelle says "MMMMM, peanut butter and crack sammich":D

Stressfire
September 1, 2011, 03:10 PM
That's odd.

You're telling me. If I hadn't been decidedly freaked out, I would probably have found it a bit funny.

that now that guy knows where you live

That would be my foremost concern

I much prefer heroin addicts, they at least ask for money nicely before attempting to rob you and if they steal your TV, they are at least courteous enough to sell it back to you.

The fiancee talk occurred last evening, she's thinking about it...then again, the fact is that she does not like guns, on the plus side that does not mean that she doesn't know how to use them. The conundrum is whether or not she would.

VinnyT
September 1, 2011, 03:21 PM
I would still want to file a report with the police to lay that paper trail just in case you needed to defend your life.

Stressfire
September 1, 2011, 03:43 PM
I work in the county seat (no pun intended), so I skipped the locals and went straight to sheriff's department on my lunch break, ended up filing the report with the same deputy that did my concealed carry license.

Just got back actually, not much they can actually do at this point, except climb all over the locals.

He also said the issue with lack of response may have been that I live on the border of the township and the city limits - so possibly some jurisdictional confusion there.

threegun
September 1, 2011, 03:43 PM
I would still want to file a report with the police to lay that paper trail just in case you needed to defend your life.

I second this wonderful advice.

Wag
September 1, 2011, 03:46 PM
Yup. He knows where you live. He also "knows" you have a shotgun AND that you're not going to hesitate to use it.

Of course, always keep your alarm on and your firearms in the safe when you're not home.

And definitely call the police chief and get a complaint going. If you have to, write a letter to the editor and word it so that it fits your local attitude about guns.

--Wag--

LockedBreech
September 1, 2011, 04:25 PM
He knows where you live now. This has several implications.

1.) Will he be back? Probably not. But if he gets particularly desperate, he may remember that you own a shotgun (I know you don't, but HE doesn't), and he may want to get his hands on that to obtain money from other people or to sell for drugs.

2.) If you didn't carry 24/7 (when legal) before, you certainly should now, and I would actually invest the 300-400 in an 870 and place it someplace secure and/or inconspicuous. You may need a more potent home defense weapon than a handgun.

You did the right thing. You avoided violence. You're probably clear of that guy forever. But you absolutely must keep alert now.

BUFF
September 1, 2011, 04:37 PM
Sounds like you did a good job of keeping your cool and not to panic. It ended better for you and him. I would not have been so calm I think. Well played sir.

On an episode of "Self Defense TV" a while back, they said you're more likely to get a quicker response time from law enforcement if you call in and say home invasion in progress rather than prowler or attempted break in.

I live out in the country in a rather large county in Kansas that has maybe 3 deputies on duty at night scattered to all parts of the county. It would take a while for one of them to get here anyway. So I'm on my own if something like that were to happen.

I fully respect LEO, but they have a hard job and most of the time end up cleaning up rather than stopping crime.

Stressfire
September 1, 2011, 04:43 PM
True enough, and I doubt he will be a problem again, unless he actually resides in the neighborhood - I have not investigated that yet.

I am planning to purchase a shotgun in the near future, am hoping for one of the new Kel-tec KSG bullpups.

And I always carry, except at work where I cannot legally do so.

Edited for response to BUFF: At the time police were called it was over, and it wasn't so much calmness as it was calculating: I really didn't want to use my weapon, so did the first thing that came to mind

DiCarnage
September 1, 2011, 05:44 PM
You did a great job of using a psychological advantage to achieve the desired result; get the guy gone.
I'm a confrontational sort of person, and would most likely have done something other than go inside when I realized that the guy was waiting beside my house. Not sure if I would have asked him if he needed help (you know, in a manner that seemed concerned and helpful), or invited him to leave using a more aggressive approach.
Either one has more of a possibility of ending badly for someone.

Door between you and bad guy + psychological advantage = best possible outcome (bad guy gone with no physical interaction).

Stressfire
September 1, 2011, 06:01 PM
DiCarnage, I really considered that when I was still outside. But here in Ohio the law is such that an aggressive approach on neutral territory could be viewed as initiating a conflict. And additionally, as not knowing what weaponry, if any, he might have been hiding I thought it prudent to get behind something solid.

In a couple days I may have a good laugh about this, at the moment the freakout factor is such that I have made my fiancee text me every hour and will likely be speeding home after work

DiCarnage
September 1, 2011, 06:19 PM
YUP.

Wholeheartedly agree with you and your response.

pvt.Long
September 1, 2011, 06:23 PM
make a paper trail. Find and old pump doesn't matter the brand, and go through a couple boxes of shells to get a feel for it. I like to keep my m1a with a mag in it. Racking the action is certainly loud enough to be a deterrent.

Jeremiah/Az
September 1, 2011, 06:30 PM
Be careful that you or she do not come home to find him in the house. I had that happen to me years ago & it is a terribly frightening experience! I was not armed, but swung a fist @ him that missed as he ran by me & my wife.

CLC
September 1, 2011, 06:37 PM
what sort of nighborhood you live in?

Hook686
September 1, 2011, 07:32 PM
I think you need to get a new dog ... one that will bark big and deep when someone jiggles the door. Yes the guy knows where you live. Whatever attracted him to you has not gone away. He might pick another time to return visit for whatever he had in mind. Be careful.

mega twin
September 1, 2011, 07:32 PM
Different dog?

raimius
September 1, 2011, 10:57 PM
Simple door/window alarms make a lot of noise. It might provide that extra few seconds of warning, if he decides to return. They are also fairly cheap. If you don't have some sort of security system, I'd recommend at least one on every entrance.

Stressfire
September 2, 2011, 08:16 AM
Thanks for the feedback all. Definitely a bit of a wake up.

Pvt Long & Jeremiah: Paper trail is started. As far as finding him in the house upon return, yes, a little worried, however it is relatively easy to identify forced entry markings on my door - I checked out the scratched he left with the card (or w/e he was using) and got pics before I painted over. On second floor so i think door would be the likely entry point, no large trees or climbable areas near windows. And for the time being, the fiancee is to call me when she pulls into the driveway and i stay on phone with her until she "clears' the house. As I said I am currently shopping for a shotty, just don't want to rush and get an undependable POS.

CLC: As far as neighborhood, its not suburban "cul de sac" class, but its not what I would call bad or dangerous. It's literally less than a mile from where I grew up from 12 yo on. While I don't necessarily let that lull my sensibilities, its not the type of area where addicts wander around.

I currently have a beagle - just got her 2 weeks ago. She's great with the bark but as far as intimidation factor goes....well, she's a beagle and more likely to roll over for a belly rub than defend.

Am also stopping by today and picking up some of those stick on alarms for the door(s)

Ringolevio
September 2, 2011, 09:12 AM
Stressfire, it sounds as if that skell is a local or has some connection to your neighborhood. Keep your eyes peeled (or even stake out your block some night) and you'll spot him again.

Then you can call the cops with a description and location (maybe even a car and plate number) or...you could follow him home...

Stressfire
September 2, 2011, 09:38 AM
Was up til 4am this morning doin' the lookout thing. Soooo sleepy and at work now, doh:(

or...you could follow him home... lol, mayhaps but sounds like a good way to get capped myself. Though I do know what house, or at least what driveway he came out of.

But to do so may, again, be pushing the bounds of instigating a conflict

kraigwy
September 2, 2011, 09:46 AM
I'm different. If I think someone is following me, the last thing I would do is lead him to my home and family.

I'd try to loose the guy, if I couldn't then obvously he is trying to follow me. I'd confront him right then and there. Sucker ain't getting to my house.

On another matter, I wasn't there and I didn't talk to the cops but, the Police get prowler calls all the time. (or at least I did when I was in LE).

The dispatcher would get a discription and relay that to the officer. The officer would search the area, but seldum, unless the complainant request contact, would we make contact with the complainant.

Many callers don't want the prowler or who ever to know who called, going to the complainant's house leaves no doubt who called.

jrothWA
September 2, 2011, 09:50 AM
Avoided direct confrontation but sounds like you need to do perimeter security, namely install motion lights high-up to provide light and detection. Consider apex of garage below rood line and give side illumination to neighbors.
Put doos side lights up to ID intruder location.

Make sure to silhouette the area/ intruder but not illuminate yourself!

Besides a shotgun, may I recommend the M1 Carbine, loaded with soft-nose ammo, very good HD with the increase on range. Stock pouch with two 15 rdrs are always available. Low recoil, maybe fiance MIGHT need to operate it???

Also add dead-bolts to outside doors, keyed alike and re-key the existing lock with same. Door with window use a key both side dead-bolt. Hang emergency key in known location for egress situations.

What county in Ohio?

Ringolevio
September 2, 2011, 10:03 AM
Stressfire:
Was up til 4am this morning doin' the lookout thing. Soooo sleepy and at work now, doh

Quote:
or...you could follow him home...
lol, mayhaps but sounds like a good way to get capped myself. Though I do know what house, or at least what driveway he came out of.

But to do so may, again, be pushing the bounds of instigating a conflict

Don't instigate, investigate. Make discreet inquiries and observations, from a safe and detached distance. Learn all you can; you'll find something you can use. E.g., you may find others with similar experiences.

There are all kinds of ways of neutralizing a threat, and they don't necessarily involve violence or personal confrontation (or putting your own safety and freedom at risk).

(Ah, for the good old days, when you could just "have a little talk" with the subject, perhaps while administering a little "tuneup". But of course that would be wrong.)

Stressfire
September 2, 2011, 10:16 AM
Ah, for the good old days, when you could just "have a little talk" with the subject, perhaps while administering a little "tuneup". But of course that would be wrong.

Indeed, on both counts.

Ya know, I never particularly worried about this crap for all the years I was single, sigh..

curt.45
September 2, 2011, 11:44 AM
you might consider putting a thick piece of plexiglass over the inside of that window on the door just to slow anyone down or make more noise if they do try to get in.

Ambishot
September 2, 2011, 12:18 PM
Safeguarding your fiance, property and self without having to take a life is probably the best outcome possible. So you did well!

That being said, I would definitely advise that you take some precautions as mentioned by other posters. A security door on the front and back doors to the residence, an alarm system-the simple attach to door and window variants are inexpensive and work well- and/or motion lights are great ideas. Other than that, stay alert. A remington 870 is also an inexpensive and reliable weapon to consider. Plus as you found out, the sound of that pump action will most likely raise the hairs on anyone's neck. (I'm sure the fiend was just a little scared)

I would NOT recommend that you recon/follow this guy around. Especially if you're carrying. Vigilantism won't work here in your benefit. (as great as it sounds)

If you see him again snooping around your house - call the cops/lengthen that paper trail.

Buzzcook
September 2, 2011, 01:31 PM
A cell phone on your walk would have been a good idea.

If you'd had a camera handy you could have taken his pic through your window.

There are bars that can make your door very difficult to get into.
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-265DCCSEN-Dual-Function-Security/dp/B0002YUX8I

Some of them have alarms too.

markj
September 2, 2011, 02:05 PM
and see him attempting to jimmy the lock with a card

After he saw you wit ha dog and after you entered the dwelling? Guy musta been looking for a way to commit suicide.

Get a motion detected light for outside, a better dog that will bark and defend you on a chain outside the door :) and a big fat cat in case he gets in you toss the cat in his face.........

A real shotgun would be number one if I didnt already have 6 or 7.

Wag
September 2, 2011, 03:54 PM
Knowledge is power and spreading it around makes it even more powerful.

Talk to your neighbors. All of 'em. Let 'em know what happened and give a description of the punk so people can keep their eyes peeled. Eventually, something will get back to you if there is anything to be said, especially if the dud lives in your area.

--Wag--

jimmythegeek
September 2, 2011, 05:03 PM
and if you deem it unnecessary after a while, you can sell it for about what you paid. I see a few on GB for $350.

Hook686
September 2, 2011, 07:39 PM
Let's see:
-You are in the 2nd floor unit
-no window entry
-you have a dog that barks if someone comes to the door

Sounds to me as though:

1)motion detection activated lights/alarm (wireless driveway type)

2)a bar against the doorknob, such as:

http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-265DCCSEN-Dual-Function-Security/dp/B0002YUX8I

3)discussion with neighbors

ought help you get a good nights sleep.

4) a home remote monitoring system, such as:

http://broadband.wordpress.com/2006/10/26/att-remote-monitor/

can give you peace of mind concerning the interior of your place before you get home.

Your companion walks into trouble while on the phone with you. Just what is she, or you suppose to do at that point ? Clearing the house visually before you, or she enters seems like a good idea to me.

publius
September 3, 2011, 10:26 PM
I think you did pretty good. Like kraigwy said, it would have been a better idea to lead him away and somehow lose him away from your home. i probably wouldn't have thought to do it either. I imagine you were a little rattled (I would be) and wanted to be in the safety of your home. You need to address your shotgun problem. The recording was effective and funny as hell, but you need the real think. An old 870 or Mossy 500 can be had cheap. Don't worry about how much blueing it has left or the fact that the wood is destroyed from 20 years of sitting in the bottom of a duck boat. Just get one in good working order. Get a couple of boxes of bird shot and 4 boxes of #1 buck. You and your girlfriend go to the range and put those 2 boxes of birdshot through, shooting at cans, targets, whatever. Now that you know you have a properly functioning gun and some practice, put a box of the buck through it at varying ranges. She will have a much easier time w/the shotgun than a pistol, (so will any of us)Get some motion lights and some lights you can turn on with a switch that will light up the yard like a stadium. Look at getting some sort of crossbar/pipe bracket to fortify your doors.

moose_nukelz
September 4, 2011, 11:17 AM
Glad it worked out for you, I would have skipped going to my house and went up and down the block a few more times.

BGutzman
September 4, 2011, 11:32 AM
Time to buy a 12 Ga, sounds like you did just fine but I would certainly take some steps to reinforce the door and then look at your place from a If I was going to break in quickly how would I do it and then take steps to counter whatever would be the fastest way to break into your place.

tmlynch
September 4, 2011, 12:21 PM
well, she's a beagle and more likely to roll over for a belly rub than defend.

Don't sell beagles short as protectors. Every beagle I have had was very serious about looking after their people. They were vigilant, alerted others to hazards, and took effective action when needed.

When I was a kid, we had the same mailman for as long as I could remember. He was known and liked in the neighborhood. The beagle I grew up with would always stay between me and him.

The beagle we had when my daughter was an infant, stayed between her and the TV, whining and yipping until we moved the set and found the scorpion.

We once gave away a beagle to a family that wanted a companion for their golden retriever. Shortly after moving in, it was the beagle that found and killed the rattlesnakes in the backyard. I was told her head swelled up pretty good, but she came through it fine.

Regards,
Tom

WARRIOR I
September 4, 2011, 02:25 PM
CLC,
The type of neighborhood really doesn't matter much anymore. This sort of thing happens everywhere now.

Helios
September 5, 2011, 01:29 PM
You scared him off with a cell phone but you telling him to XXXXXX to his face didn't do it?

Terry A
September 5, 2011, 01:56 PM
September 1, 2011, 12:42 PM #1
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Then I see the door handle jiggle. The door is older style with a large window taking up the upper portion. I peek through the side of the curtain opposite the knob and lock and see him attempting to jimmy the lock with a card.

So, judgements? Comments? Suggestions? Snide remarks?
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Stressfire,

Glad everything worked out that night for you.

Just by way of saying "something to think about", & since you asked for any comments or suggestions, I have one.

The part that I included in the quote, about you seeing the door handle jiggle.....Why in the world did you feel the need to peek outside? If you knew he was following you & then the knob was moving, that's when I would have called 911 & also set up with one of my firearms in a position that affored me cover but also with a view of the doorway you mentioned.

In the scenario you described, I would NEVER go up to a glass window to peek around a curtain. If HE had a gun, you're face is what, one foot from him? If he was that brazen to follow you home and then approach the entry way of where you lived....you had to figure that the door knob jiggling was because his hand was on it outside the door!

Peeking around a curtain to confirm that it wasn't the wind (:)) is just like one of those horror movies where the damsel in distress hears glass breaking in the dark basement & calls out "Who's there?" as she descends the stairs. What the heck was she going down there for?

And why the heck peek thru a glass window when you strongly suspect (know, really) that the guy on the other side has already been an issue? That move really serves no purpose & if it was replayed, I would just forgo the peek & get on the phone & post up somewhere away from the door.

Thanks for allowing our input!

Uprangewilly
September 6, 2011, 10:14 AM
So do you live in Cincinnati, Cleveland or Youngstown. I assume its one of these cities because you said the Police never showed up.

I live close to Cincinnati and I think alot of people dont realize how dangerous of a city it can be, especially at night. But as was already pointed out, this can and does happen everywhere.

On a side note, do other cities legally allow panhandling? It seems like the panhandlers are way worse than they used to be before they allowed panhandling.

Stressfire
September 6, 2011, 11:57 AM
So responding in order from my last check in:

curt45: The window in the lower door is double thickness plexiglass, wasn't terribly worried about breakage to that - plus I reinforced with some molding cuttoffs to make it look like a 9-square.

Ambishot, publius: Shotgun is on the to buy list - slightly short on cash at the moment, but will be my next purchase. And no, if I'm carrying, last thing I want to do is go following anyone, would not take much intelligence for him to call that in, and all of a sudden guess who's the victim now?

A cell phone on your walk would have been a good idea. I had one, that's what I used to simulate the pump action, and to think I had originally intended that for a ringtone

Wag: Talked to downstairs neighbor about it, rather large burly fellow who has worked construction for the last 30 years - he will be helping to keep an eye out, and to further answer those who recommended a shotgun, after talking for a bit neighbor made same suggestion and lent me a mossy maverick 88 from his rather extensive collection-that I was completely unaware he had. Nothing special, but something he wouldn't care a bout having lost to the evidence locker if necessary. So got a new gun buddy out of this as well:)

As for the dog - no doubts about her whatsoever anymore. Sent a loose pit packing yesterday when it ran up on us out in the backyard. Had to stop her from swallowing the part of its ear she tore off.

Helios: Yup...go figure, although outside he was unaware that I was armed

Terry: Yeah kinda figured that was a bit dumb afterwards, but hey, if you live you learn, and that what I have you guys for, right? To say: Not bad, but do ___ next time.:)

Willy & one or 2 others that asked: Northeast of Cleveland on brder with Lake Co. Thus jurisdictional issue with Sheriff's dept. But as Warrior I stated, this crap happens everywhere anymore

MarineCorpsAT
September 7, 2011, 09:46 AM
Like others have said do not discount the beagle. My wife and I used to live over a church in Riverside California. One night the alarm in the church went off (happened all the time) And I grabbed the keys and the dog (a beagle mix) and went down to shut off the alarm again. As I usually did I sent the dog in first and she would go down the hall and around the corner and come back. This night however she started barking and growling. As I had peeked around the corner she had a parent of one of the kids in the youth group pinned against the wall.

The front door was not closed and he simply came to get his kid. This dog is now 16 years old and deaf but if she know there is a problem she will still be in the fight.

tmlynch
September 7, 2011, 09:28 PM
As for the dog - no doubts about her whatsoever anymore. Sent a loose pit packing yesterday when it ran up on us out in the backyard. Had to stop her from swallowing the part of its ear she tore off.

Awesome! Beagles are the best dogs ever. They will do anything for, or to be with, their people.

Stressfire, I hope you enjoy your beagle as much as we have ours. I will warn you the most accurate prediction I have ever heard was when my wife and I were walking our puppy on the hike and bike trail. A gruff older guy walked past, turned to us and said, "He'll steal your heart!"

MarineCorpsAT, I'll confess to getting a bit misty when I think back to our dogs when they reached that age and condition. They gave so much to us that we couldn't repay. On a lighter side note, the beagle nose never stops. On his "last trip" to the vet, one of the beagles was snuffling for M&Ms our daughter dropped in the minivan.

Tom

msb45
October 2, 2011, 03:15 PM
Get a good small flashlight. Surefire if you can or even an Energizer at Walmart ($15 works great). If you light him up in the shadows it sends an I'm prepared message without brandishing or saying a word.

Cell phone is also a must. Tie the dog's leash to a fence and free up both hands. If he wants to make a move do it where you've not lead him home or are in a bad spot.

In the end you lived to learn, that's what counts.

Lost Sheep
October 2, 2011, 05:01 PM
A little off-topic, but if it should ever come to "flap-shoe" claiming that you brandished a shotgun at him, demonstrating that you "brandished" only a ringtone lowers his credibility that much more.

When I heard signs of lock tampering, I think I would have just banged on the frame of the door with my fist as hard as I could. (Obviously, this is adrenaline talking.) I know that if I am trying to be stealthy, an authoritative, unexpected noise so close to my head is a bit unsettling. I know this is tactically unsound and practically unwise, but viscerally satisfying.

Looking through the window from the side of the door OPPOSITE the doorknob was a sound move. You are about three feet away from him and just barely in his peripheral vision while he is focused on the lock. Even if he was armed, his hands are occupied. Getting a good look at his face would be strategically a VERY GOOD idea if it did not involve significant risk.

If you had his face, the local police might be inclined to put some effort into connecting a name to the incident.

If you spot him around your neighborhood in the future, you will be better prepared if you already know where the legal dividing line between vigilantism and vigilance is. Likewise, the legal definition of "stalking" vs permissible activites.

He knows where you live, what your dog looks like, what you look like. Do what you can to level the field of battle.

Be aware, where there is one, there are likely more. Don't get blindsided by another danger while protecting yourself against this one.

Alerting your neighbors is not only tactically, strategically and legally REALLY good and wise, it also enhances their safety. Good citizenship.

Does your neighborhood have a Community Council or the like? Does your city have a program like Neighborhood Watch? Mine does, and the police department even has a sort of "ride along" program. If your city council or or city executive (Mayor or City Manager) does not have an outreach (preventative) program for the police and fire departments, these are good things to suggest, especially around election time.

I know at your (probable) age you don't have a lot of time to devote to such preparations, but if many individuals share the load, it is possible to make a neighborhood much safer. Local police take a much kinder view of organized groups acting in cooperation with police (like the very reputable Neighborhood Watch model) than individuals acting on their own. Some departments even share their communications systems.

Good luck,

Lost Sheep

p.s. I agree on the flashlight. I have a "tactical" flashlight that puts out a LOT more than your best standard flashlight. Enough to disorient a stalker/assailant and with a grip designed to be used in conjunction with a two-handed hold on a handgun.

But the best "standard" flashlight that is also a sub-lethal weapon which also is classed as not being any more of a weapon than your average doggie pooper-scooper (which might be pretty good if it is full) is a 4 to 6 cell Mag-lite. The ones using "D" cells are substantial clubs, but the ones using "C" cells are handier batons.

SatCong
October 2, 2011, 06:03 PM
What does you wife (you alluded to a father-in-law) think about your fiance?

Mike

orionengnr
October 2, 2011, 09:36 PM
the fact is that she does not like guns,
Does she like intruders?

Stressfire
October 3, 2011, 11:50 AM
Kinda surprised this thread came back, to update:

What does you wife (you alluded to a father-in-law) think about your fiance?

Hah, force of habit, she and I use the wife/fiance terms interchangeably, what can I say, she likes to be called wife:) And we might as well be married already, we act like an old married couple:rolleyes:

Anyhoo, after a bit of daylight observation, I did discover that the "gentleman" either lives or stays a few houses down the street. Was driving to work one day and saw him out on the front porch with about a dozen other residents - still not sure what the story is there, but assuming they all live there. "Crack house" might not be too far off the mark - but meth is much more popular in this area of the state.

I'm calling it a win, it did encourage the lil woman to cave and at least learn how to use the guns I have around and loaded on a regular basis, went shooting together the past couple weekends - and my baby cut the center out with the .45 and cut the sticks down with the loaner Maverick.