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WolfMacabre
August 11, 2011, 05:35 PM
I got a Mosin Nagant M91/30 the other day, and I plan on using it for hunting. I'm still pretty new to guns, especially rifles. So I'm just wondering what is better for hunting, FMJ, Soft Point, or Hollow Point?

And since we're on the subject what are all the different types and what are they good for?

BigBadPigg
August 11, 2011, 05:44 PM
I would go with a soft point. But I have no idea on what you are hunting.
: soft points good expanding with deep penetration.
Good for hunting deer and just about everything else.
:hollow point expand very well. Good for hunting as well, but not so good for penetration. So I would stick to thin skinned game.
: fmj absolutely do NOT use for hunting!!! They do not expand at all. And just go straight through the animal without expanding it's energy inside of it. But they are good for plinking.

tobnpr
August 11, 2011, 06:28 PM
No FMJ's as mentioned.
Edit.. there are some HPBT choices now. Not familiar with the offerings from Double Tap-Nosler Accubond, interesting...
Prvi, S&B, and Barnaul all have SP ammo available.

http://ammoseek.com/?gun=rifle&cal=277&grains=0&mfg=&keywords=&sortby=cpr

SurplusShooter
August 11, 2011, 06:48 PM
Soft point would fly best and be more accuret.

tobnpr
August 11, 2011, 07:18 PM
On second thought, I'd be very leery of some of the commercial hunting rounds like the Double Tap with the 200 gr. Nosler Accubonds.

Sounds great, but Nosler's 200 gr. Accubond is a .308 bullet- which will most likely shoot like dog doo out of most Mosin Nagants.

I had that problem with a couple of boxes of Prvi- the bullets were .308 dia.
Most MN's (including mine, I shoot Sierra Match Kings) need .311 bullets (sometimes larger) to shoot well.

Best to slug the bore of your rifle, and determine what it needs.

chris in va
August 11, 2011, 07:43 PM
In Russia, deer hunt you!

rifleman8
August 12, 2011, 12:26 AM
I agree with tobnpr... Definitely test out whatever commercial ammunition you decide to go with. Several commercial brands have shot horrible groups out of my rifle, whereas surplus ammo maintains a good standard of accuracy. However, I think most if not all surplus is FMJ

essohbe
August 12, 2011, 01:01 AM
In Russia, Saiga hunt you!;)

Ideal Tool
August 12, 2011, 01:01 AM
Hello, I Have hunted with the 91/30...but that was because at that time, I was only 16, (dad picked it up at garage sale for $17.00), and only centerfire rifle we had for deer hunting. We used NORMA ctg...the only ones we could buy then. But looking back..I would be more concerned about that god-awful safety with wet or cold hands than I would about ammo.

rickyrick
August 12, 2011, 07:54 AM
It's easier and faster to leave the bolt open than to fool with the safety on the 9130. I can find steel core surplus ammo all day long and they shoot great but I wouldn't hunt with them.

kraigwy
August 12, 2011, 08:12 AM
I would be more concerned about that god-awful safety with wet or cold hands than I would about ammo.

That's a non-issue for me, either with the Mosin or my Model 70 hunting rifles simply because I don't use the safety.

I never carry a round in the chamber while hunting. When I need to shoot I load a round by working the bolt and shoot. In my 50 plus years of hunting I never muffed a shot because I didn't have a round in the chamber.

It's a safety issue, no round in the chamber while hunting until you're ready to shoot, my father taught me this and I teach it to my kids and grand kids.

I don't hunt with a Mosin, but I do shoot one in CMP-GSM shooting. The action of the Mosin is plenty smooth and fast enough that I don't believe you're gonna miss a chance at game by working the bolt.

As to the original question. Any of the major hunting bullets out there are more then capable of hunting deer in the 308-311 class bullets. I'd recommend trying as many as you can and seeing what is the most accurate in your rifle.

rickyrick
August 12, 2011, 08:47 AM
I agree with kraig, I like the feed on my 91/30 better than my enfield, I wouldn't hesitate to use it like he stated

Antique Shooter
August 12, 2011, 08:51 AM
Unless you are reloading the 7.62X54R I have never seen a hollow point in that caliber. That leaves soft points, which are perfect for hunting. Silver Bear makes 203 grain soft points, and Sellier & Bellot makes 180 grain soft points. I would go with the 180's for just about all game.

FMJ's should not be used for hunting, but are great for the range. Just make sure that if you shoot steel it is able to swing/fall down. The FMJ's ricochet more that hunting bullets. You can usually find FMJ's pretty cheap, and usually they are military surplus, so just clean your gun after you shoot.

Antique Shooter

hornetguy
August 12, 2011, 09:21 AM
+1 on what AntiqueShooter said.

I bought several boxes of S&B 180gr softpoints a bunch of years ago (when they were still about 6 bucks a box) I've shot these on paper a LOT, and they are VERY accurate and consistent. I haven't had the chance to hunt with it (too many other "hunting" rifles, not enough hunting trips) but I wouldn't hesitate to use it out to at LEAST 100 yds, perhaps farther. The only thing limiting me to those distances is 57 yr old eyes combined with open sights. :o The ammunition should be just about perfect for anything up to small elk-sized animals.
I've shot some of the 204gr stuff as well, and it groups nicely. It also kicks more :eek: but it would certainly work for hunting. Mine is non-reloadable steel cased stuff. I'd love to get the chance to pull the trigger on a big hog with it.

As stated before, I would not hunt (sporting) with FMJ ammo, and I don't really even like the military/target type HP bullets, as they usually act just like a FMJ.

Another option would be casting your own bullets with a large meplat, and shooting them at 30-30 velocities. Almost NO recoil, and should kill a deer with aplomb out to 100+ yds. Just a thought.

tobnpr
August 12, 2011, 04:46 PM
Get a Timney...
Solves the safety issue, and the lousy trigger. Best $100 I spent on the rifle...

Bamashooter
August 12, 2011, 05:29 PM
I bought 2 boxes of S&B 174gr. HPBT that was loaded with Sierra bullets. I shot a huge doe from over 200yrds with that bullet and she hit the ground right there on the spot. I know people and even sierra say not to use target ammo but that S&B was the best Ive ever shot through a mosin nagant. I still have just over half a box of that ammo and when I carry one of my mosin's hunting thats what I load it with. I know the safety is not normal but to me its no problem to operate it. Loaded and on safety is how I do it even with a mosin.

rickyrick
August 13, 2011, 07:40 AM
I have used S&B in .303 brit it works well for hunting but I haven't found it for 7.62 x 54r yet.

swopjan
August 13, 2011, 07:57 AM
i'm quite a novice myself so i'll keep my opinions to myself, but a question occurred to me.

would a FMJ be effective if you shot the deer in the head? i imagine anything a Mosin-Nagant is chambered for would easily have the power to kill it, but how likely is a FMJ to result in a wounded animal compared to aiming for the heart/lungs? would the bullet affect that much at all in a head shot?

if you're not looking for a trophy and like a little extra challenge, might be worth a try.

Antique Shooter
August 13, 2011, 08:23 AM
Swopjan, I don't know where you are located, but here in PA, my laws state that you must use bullets designed to expand. Even if your laws allow it, I still wouldn't recommend it. Yes, FMJ' kill (they have killed enough of soldiers in the past wars), but if you shoot them in the head, it is going to leave a 7.62mm hole in oneside and out the other. Good soft point bullets can expand up to twice their original diameter, so a .30 cal would leave a .30 cal hole going in, and probably take half the head off coming out. The FMJ is just going to push through the scull, and keep going, the soft point is going to transfer a lot of it's Kinetic Energy to the scull, causing a quicker, more ethical kill. So yes, you can kill one with a FMJ, but the soft point would still be the best choice even if you want to shoot them in the head. If your using SP's, it would still be a challenge to hit one in the head. Aim for the eye!!!!

Antique Shooter

ltc444
August 13, 2011, 08:38 AM
Has anyone tried "Camp Perry" match for making hunting loads out of surplus.

fatwhiteboy
August 13, 2011, 10:10 PM
You should be safe using a Mosin for hunting in Pennsylvania. I wouldn't use one where there is a high wild fire potential. They have a muzzle blast the size of a beach ball...

WolfMacabre
August 13, 2011, 10:20 PM
You should be safe using a Mosin for hunting in Pennsylvania. I wouldn't use one where there is a high wild fire potential. They have a muzzle blast the size of a beach ball...

Is there anything that can be done to reduce that? I thought I remembered seeing a gun once think it was a shotgun) that had some type of attachment to the end and was told it was to reduce muzzle flash. Anything like that available or should I just go with it and avoid shooting dry things?

Daekar
August 14, 2011, 08:31 AM
It really depends on what kind of Mosin-Nagant variant you're using and what kind of ammo. The m91 and m91/30 variants have a longer barrel, and shouldn't have excessive muzzle flash, especially with modern ammo from S&B or Wolf Gold, etc. The m38 and m44 variants are carbines, and as fatwhiteboy noted, do have a magnificent fireball that accompanies each shot, as well as head-turning report. That said, I can't say I have ever heard of anyone igniting anything with the muzzle-flash of their Mosin. I have a m44, and I wouldn't hesitate to take it deer hunting with the right soft-point ammo - it's a nice gun, especially after being recrowned and bedded. The nice thing about those fixes is, you can do it and not alter the appearance of the original rifle. :D

doofus47
August 14, 2011, 11:57 AM
FMJ is illegal for hunting in Colorado. In any case, I would choose SP for hunting.
MN will work fine.

tahunua001
August 14, 2011, 01:51 PM
a lot of states have laws against hunting with FMJ. hollow points are usually for people hunting, FMJ is for paper hunting, soft point is for critter hunting. 762x45R will probably be difficult to find in anything but russian ball surplus ammo but would do the trick anyway if it's not illegal to do so. the mosin will pretty much bag anything in north america as long as you know the limitations of the round.

2amencw
August 15, 2011, 12:52 AM
I shot a deer a few years ago with my Mosin M44. Ammo was 203 gr Silver bear soft points. The lead is actually alloyed with some type of ferrous metal, it will stick to a magnet. Any way, the shot was at about 75 yards, offhand. I didnot have the bayonet extended so the shot was a little left of POA. hit just behind last rib. Instant knockdown. When I arrived at the deer there was a hole large enough to put an arm trough ad not get bloody. There was debris and such 20 ft up in the tree. I think that hiting the very "wet" guts actually made the bullet explode rathe than expand. The rifle is definitly capable, almost tothe point of overkill. I would look at some Wincheter Metric or S&B.

Gunplummer
August 15, 2011, 02:07 AM
I am with "Ideal Tool". I also used one as my first gun and had to buy Norma. It really shot good, but the safety was worse than on a .303 Brit. I would think by now that Cabela's should have all kinds of less expensive ammo that shoots good enough for some one starting out hunting.

sc928porsche
August 15, 2011, 06:53 AM
Use soft point ammunition. You can hunt anything with the mosin that can with the 308 winchester.