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Dobe
June 22, 2011, 06:34 PM
http://www.ruger.com/index.html

I will have one. I have been waiting for one of these, and it's finally here.

rc
June 22, 2011, 07:50 PM
Now, if ruger will just put one of these together in 327 magnum their lineup will be complete:rolleyes:

chucky222
June 22, 2011, 07:56 PM
Range report pls.

rc
June 22, 2011, 08:07 PM
I imagine this will be more accurate than a marlin 1894.....

Deja vu
June 22, 2011, 08:21 PM
I think I may have found my next gun purchase. I am a 357 magnum fanatic.

TXGunNut
June 22, 2011, 08:28 PM
First question was "why?" Next question, after crunching a few numbers, was "why not?". May not be as sexy as a levergun but different strokes, right?

Deja vu
June 22, 2011, 08:35 PM
First question was "why?" Next question, after crunching a few numbers, was "why not?". May not be as sexy and a levergun but different strokes, right?

for me the "why" is easy. My father passed down a tradition of keeping your calibers simple. He told me that you need 1 hand gun caliber, 1 Big game caliber, 1 pinking caliber and 1 type of shot gun. He was some thing of a strict survivalist.

While I can admit I am tempted to buy other calibers (50 BMG) I have so far been good about sticking with my fathers teaching (my wife does not ad hear to it). It is nice to all ways have lots of ammo. I buy 1-2 boxes of each kind of ammo I own every pay day. I bet most people out that can not say that.

I currently have at least 1 long gun and 1 handgun in every ammo type I own other than 12ga (I am thinking about doing the NFA paper work on an old cheepie SXS 12 I own)




So when you ask why my response is: It all ready fits in my collection.

TXGunNut
June 22, 2011, 08:51 PM
Why not a 92 or 94, Deja vu? Dobe? I have a set (OK, sets) of perfectly good 38/357 dies gathering dust and more than a few handfuls of 38 and 357 brass lying around so this isn't an idle question. And yes, buying a gun to go with the dies and components I have lying around is sometimes cheaper than buying a firearm in a new caliber and learning about that caliber.
I'm betting at least one of you already has a .357 levergun.

Deja vu
June 22, 2011, 08:55 PM
I all ready have 2 marlin lever actions in 357/38s (one with an 18 inch barrel in stainless and one with a 22 inch blue barrel) this is some thing different. I all so have 3 revolvers in 357 magnum (Smith and Wesson 640-1and 627-5 and Ruger New Vaquero) and a Coonan Classic in 357 magnum semiautomatic.

I like it cause its different than what I all ready have and it still fits in my collection.

chewie146
June 22, 2011, 09:08 PM
That is a must have for me. I'm more comfortable with a bolt, like Ruger's rotary magazine, and have tons of components for the .357. Now, the only question is, will it feed .357 shorts? (.38 Special)

rantingredneck
June 22, 2011, 09:28 PM
I'm intrigued by this and won't run right out and buy one, but won't rule out owning one sometime down the road.

I do wish that they'd opted to enter the .357 carbine market with a model 96 variant though. I do have an 1894C in .357, but I am a certified (certifiable?) Ruger nut.

I'm sure this bolt version will offer more inherent accuracy though.....

Norrick
June 22, 2011, 09:48 PM
I know they have one in 44 mag... but I'd love to see one in 45 colt, or (call me a dreamer) 454 Casull. Cool, none the less, would be very curious how accurate it could shoot with reloads.

chewie146
June 22, 2011, 10:50 PM
Knowing my limited experience with two M77s, the groups will be impressive, but not legendary. I would imagine they would do 100 yard 2" groups, given that it will be shooting .357 bullets. They may go tighter than that, though. With reloads, you really have the opportunity to tailor the load to the rifle. The .357 is just about the perfect handgun for the southwest. To have a companion rifle like this would be great.

LockedBreech
June 23, 2011, 01:32 AM
Cool Factor 10. That thing is sweet.

BikerRN
June 23, 2011, 02:20 AM
When I want a rifle, I want a rifle.
That's why I prefer traditional rifle calibers like the .223, .243, .308, 30-06, .300 Win Mag, .338 Win Mag, and various others. I understand the concept of "keeping things simple" but for me this rifle does nothing.

I'm sure somebody will buy it, it just won't be me.

Biker

wch
June 23, 2011, 04:41 AM
I wish they'd make one for the 357 maximum.

Dobe
June 23, 2011, 05:49 AM
Why not a 92 or 94, Deja vu? Dobe?
I'm betting at least one of you already has a .357 levergun.

I will choose the bolt gun, because I don't have a lever gun passion. I like the potential accuracy of the bolt guns. I like the idea of a detachable magazine for different type loads also. I have and have sold lever guns. I just never warmed up to them. I almost bought a Marlin lever in .357 simply because a lever gun was about all you could find in .357. Nothing wrong with a lever gun, just not my favorite platform.. a lot more weight than needed, not the same accuracy potential, and a tubular magazine.

Now, if Ruger would make one in .45 Colt...

Range report pls. I don't have it yet, but rather will have one.

When I want a rifle, I want a rifle.
That's why I prefer traditional rifle calibers like the .223, .243, .308, 30-06, .300 Win Mag, .338 Win Mag, and various others. I understand the concept of "keeping things simple" but for me this rifle does nothing.

I'm sure somebody will buy it, it just won't be me.
These are fun guns that can be fed cheaply. While a fun gun, it will still be capable of taking whitetail. I have a grandson, who is already 3 years old. I have to think of the my future hunting buddy...:):)

BikerRN
June 23, 2011, 06:21 AM
Hi Dobe,

You're right, in that it can be fed cheaply, and you can have ammo compatability with your handguns. We each have our reasons for doing what we do. :)

Good luck with your hunting buddy. That's what's important, not the gun.

Biker

TXGunNut
June 23, 2011, 09:10 PM
I could go along with the 45 Colt, even the 454 Casull ideas. I even have a sweet 94 Trapper in 45 Colt but I'm with OP, there's something about a 357 carbine. I'm thinking about a 92 in 357 but a 357 bolt gun is a whole 'nuther thing. I like Dobe's idea, hope he can pull it off.
Looking forward to a field report, Dobe.

TXGunNut
June 23, 2011, 09:13 PM
I'm thinking about a 158 JSP over a moderate charge of WW 296, BTW.

bigghoss
June 23, 2011, 09:33 PM
I can't really think of a use for this thing that something else wouldn't be better for but I still want one. don't know why but I don't really want a .357 mag levergun, yet at the same time I don't want the 77/44 and I do want a .44 mag lever action. :confused: however for the price it will be a while, if ever, before I get one.

bamaranger
June 23, 2011, 09:38 PM
NOw that Bill Sr. is gone, who is making such decisions at Ruger.

A .357 BOLT??? Bring back the 96 lever, put IT in .357, OK. (.44 lever while they're at it).

But a BOLT. Same class as the Judge revolvers. Likely they came out w/ 77/357 cause they can, affordably and turn a profit no doubt. Same frame, receiver, bolt as the other oddball in the M77/22 lineup the .44. But I'm bettng this is a rifle that will not sell, nobody's asked for, and marketed by the bean counters.

Ol Bill would have never built or sold it.

cornbush
June 23, 2011, 09:56 PM
I'll take two please.

Crosshair
June 24, 2011, 02:52 PM
Many people are asking "Why?"

Here are the reasons:

1. Silencer host. 9mm cans are among the most common and work fine on .357 caliber rifles. Until now there have been no repeating rifles that are suppressor friendly. Lever guns are a royal PITA to thread as the magazine tube must often be shortened. 9mm suppressor owners are going nuts over the 77/357. Ruger is going to sell a boatload of these rifles to those people who are going to have them threaded. Ruger should have just come out with a version threaded in 1/2x28. They are tapping a small, but growing, market and right now they are the only game in town.

2. Lever guns are somewhat fussy about OAL and bullet shape, the Rugers are much less fussy.

3. Hunting regulations. In most states it is illegal to have a gun in a vehicle with rounds in the magazine. (Not in my state of ND:cool: ) Quite a few people hunt by walking around an area for a while, getting back into their vehicle, and driving to another area to repeat. If you are hunting with a lever rifle you have to unload and reload the entire magazine every time you get out of the vehicle. With this you just have to drop the mag and clear the chamber.

4. Bolts tend to be much simpler mechanically and maintenance wise than levers. This Ruger is being offered in stainless synthetic for a reason. I could see it as a popular boat gun.

So we will just have to see what the market says about this new gun. I think it will do well.

Slopemeno
June 24, 2011, 06:53 PM
I'll bet it's quiet with 148 grain wadcutters.

Ozzieman
June 24, 2011, 09:09 PM
Can’t help you with the 44/357 but last year I worked up a load for a friend’s 77/44 and liked it so much that I purchased one for myself.
After shooting 300+ rounds through it my only negative comments are.
1. The magazine is too short for heavy 320 Gr bullets. You have to load them one at a time.
2. The bolt handle is too short. You can’t put your hand around it if you have a larger diameter scope on the gun. Your hand will hit the scope before you open it enough to cycle. You have to cycle the gun more with the tips of your fingers than the whole hand. Luckily the bolt is smooth enough (once its broken in) that it’s not that big of a problem. You just need to remember it.
Over all I am VERY glad I purchased the gun. It’s very much a fun range gun and 100 yard accuracy is good.
The following is some more that I and others have commented on the 77/44.
I think that the 357 could be a very good gun with the right bullet choice. But I have found that mine is MUCH better with handloads than factory.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421367&highlight=77+44
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=426921&highlight=77+44

Ozzieman
June 24, 2011, 09:27 PM
Ruger 77/454 Casull.
:)
I WANT ONE!!!

bigghoss
June 24, 2011, 09:43 PM
The bolt handle is too short. You can’t put your hand around it if you have a larger diameter scope on the gun. Your hand will hit the scope before you open it enough to cycle. You have to cycle the gun more with the tips of your fingers than the whole hand. Luckily the bolt is smooth enough (once its broken in) that it’s not that big of a problem. You just need to remember it.

I'm still debating in my mind if I would put a scope on IF I ever got one. what would be really neat is if they made this into a lighter GSR-type with peep-sights, 16 inch barrel, and scout rail. then you could mount the optic forward and not worry about the bolt/scope clearance.

Dobe
June 24, 2011, 09:49 PM
A red dot would work nicely.

bigghoss
June 24, 2011, 10:37 PM
a red dot would be a good choice. I see myself using something like a 1-4x though.

BikerRN
June 25, 2011, 12:52 AM
I second the Red Dot.

I had one on my scout and liked it.

Biker

l98ster
June 25, 2011, 08:48 AM
FINALLY!!! I havent been this excited about a gun since I bought my smith model 52!! I will be first in line for this carbine. I LOVE 38 / 357!!!!

-George

Ozzieman
June 25, 2011, 12:08 PM
I know that the 3X9 Redfield that I put on mine is a bit much. But that was another experiment. I heard so many good things about the new Redfield’s that I wanted to try one and the 44/77 was the first gun I had handy and it comes with a very nice set of Ruger rings.
My only thought about a red dot is that it might end up a little high on the gun for some kind of rail to keep the top of the gun open so that rounds can eject cleanly.
I think that the range capability of the gun WOULD make a red dot a very good selection but personally I don’t like red dots forward on the gun which is where you would have to mount it.
Peep sights would be my choice. If someone made a rear that could mount on the rear cutout for the scope rings and do something with the front to match it could make a very nice combination. The sights that it comes with are really not that great. Usable out to 50/75 yards but the rear of so far forward that it’s hard to get a good sight picture.
It’s a great little gun but not perfect.

Dobe
June 25, 2011, 12:21 PM
What do you think of this one mounted on the forward ring?
http://www.aimpoint.com/products/all-products/product-singleview/product/Micro%20H-1/

Also, check out the further right video under Product Videos. Cool.

Ozzieman
June 25, 2011, 05:56 PM
Dobe after seeing the video I think it would work.
I have one of the older Aimpoints on a Beretta Storm Carbine and I have had groups with the 9mm under 4 inches at 100 yards.
Aim point is a superior product, but I have not seen the newer ones.

BlkHawk73
June 25, 2011, 06:10 PM
Too bad it's not a 77/41..THEN I'd go for one. A pure pipe dream but one in .357 max would be even better. :cool:

Dobe
June 25, 2011, 08:47 PM
I've already put my order in for a .45 Colt. That's one I'd buy. I'll still end up with the 77/357, but a 45 Colt would be fine.

DPris
June 25, 2011, 09:15 PM
The centerfire leverguns didn't sell like Ruger had hoped, they were dropped because people weren't buying them.
I don't think there's any chance of them returning in any caliber.
Denis

majorpandemic
August 31, 2011, 12:43 PM
Ruger 77/357 Bolt Action Rifle Review

I thought I would share my review here.

http://www.majorpandemic.com/2011/08/ruger-77357-bolt-action-rifle-review.html

Great rifle and with 13 Grains of Bullseye, enlarged primer holes, and cast 158gr SWC it's about as loud as a pellet gun.