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Blackthunder
June 8, 2011, 07:22 AM
I am having doubts between a Remington model 700 series and a CZ 550 series both in .308 Winchester. I have always liked Remington’s but have heard that their quality has gone down in recent years. I am not too familiar with CZ, but they are meant to be very accurate and rugged. I want to use the rifles for hunting and target.

What would you pick and why?

warbirdlover
June 8, 2011, 07:27 AM
I think the CZ's are cool and would buy one in a minute over the Rem IF it was made on a short action like the 700. I had a Mauser Supreme in .243 and it seemed really dumb having all that wasted bolt travel.

And I love my 700 SPS buckmasters I just bought. The CZ is my next rifle though.

apr1775
June 8, 2011, 08:15 AM
For me, the Rem 700 with its push feed action is a target/varmit action, and the CZ (mauser) with its control feed action is a hunting rifle. When you say you will use it for hunting, and you don't mean varmit hunting, go for the CZ. I might be spliting hairs but that's my opinion.

tailchain
June 8, 2011, 08:23 AM
I grew up on Remington 700's back in the 60's and thought that nothing beat them for accuracy and quality. I think I was on target with that too. Things change though and Remington of today is not quite the same company it was then. I own several CZ rifles now, rimfires and centerfires. The quality of the fit and finish is just superb, kind of like old Model 70 Winchesters use to be. As far as accuracy, both my Remingtons and my CZ's will outshoot me. I only have the older Remingtons so I can't comment on new Remington accuracy levels. My CZ's are newer and they are all real good shooters with more than enough accuracy for me.

AllenJ
June 8, 2011, 08:47 AM
Nothing against the CZ, they are fine rifles, but I'd pick the 700 just because of all the aftermarket accessories available.

warbirdlover
June 8, 2011, 12:42 PM
The new Remingtons shoot just as good as the old Remingtons. The quality is equal to all the other similar priced rifles. That is all.... :p

And the stuff you read about the quality getting worse is hogwash. I bought a BDL 7mm mag 700 in the early 70's and it had a oval chamber and the blueing on the bolt handle looked brown. The stock was nice. It wouldn't chamber Remington ammo, only Winchester and when you fired a round and rotated the case 90º it would not go back in the chamber. Wouldn't group at all either. Traded it for a H & R Ultra automatic .243. Now there was a beautiful rifle....

My new 700 SPS Buckmaster in .270 shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards and is well made. I think the CZ is better made but it also costs more.

roc1
June 8, 2011, 01:48 PM
I have both and both are very accurate . I have the old and new Remingtons and CZ 550. The actions on both are smooth they both shoot. The only complaint about the CZ is its weight. This rifle with wood stock is very heavy about 8lbs. Push feed CRF equal unless you are talking dangerous game maybe. I think the Pushfeed is more accurate and that is why Remington and Savage use it more than likely. Winchester even uses it on there varmint rifles. Can not go wrong with either.
Good Luck
roc1

GONIF
June 8, 2011, 07:02 PM
If anyone thinks the new Remington rifles are as good fit finish and quality control as the older ones ,great . That has not been my experiance by a long shot . My last CZ 550 American in 458 Lott that I bought 4 years ago makes the Remmington 700 in 300 RUM that I bought at the same time look silly .The CZ has a far better trigger,better finish,better blueing,smoother bolt throw,and did not have to go back to the factory with a bad extractor like the Remington . :eek: For the money a Howa is the bigest bang for the buck .I have a Remington 700 BDL in 308 that I purchased new in 1979 and it puts my brothers 1 year old 700 to shame .CDNN has a Howa 1500 lightning .308 22 inch in real tree camo for $349.99. that is a lot of gun for the money ,and they are tack drivers right out of the box.

.300 Weatherby Mag
June 8, 2011, 07:12 PM
Nothing against the CZ, they are fine rifles, but I'd pick the 700 just because of all the aftermarket accessories available.

The CZ doesn't need anything..

jrhilde
June 8, 2011, 10:57 PM
At the moment, I'm going thru a Browning single shot stage, but I've owned three CZ's and at least seven ADL's and BDL's--apparently I've just been lucky because I have never had a problem of any kind with my 700,s all shot well and all but one were very accurate--bought my first rifle, an ADL in 06 in the early seventies and the most recent, a BDL about six months ago--my two most recent BDL's were well made, well fitted and very accurate---I've also had two CZ .22's and a 550 American with the full length stock in 06, extremely well made and accurate guns--both .22's were absolute tackdrivers and the 06 was also very accurate--from my point of view and speaking from my own experience, both are great guns and either one would be an excellent choice--the Remy action is somewhat smoother, but the 550 had a double set trigger and it was very easy to shoot---the BDL's are a very sharp looking rifle, but that 550 full length stock with a Burris fullfield ll on it looked pretty good to------

bullethole1
June 8, 2011, 11:06 PM
Depends totally on the shooter, ya dig?

kenjs1
June 9, 2011, 09:27 AM
Here is some unbiased stuff for you. Two comments were made here that I might mildly disagree with. First- Remington target and CZ hunter rifle - I hear this said because of the feed type except the standard trigger will be at best a wash (if the Remington is lucky) yet the CZ has a terrific\fun set trigger, and the slightly more weight makes target shooting with the CZ superior - least out of the box. CZ also comes with good stout rings for free. Second point was that both actions are smooth. The cz's with those big extractor rails will not be, and likely never will be, near as smooth as the Remington. Two things that in my view are overblown are A)- the weight of the CZ- it isn't like lugging around a varmint rig, and B) push feed vs controlled round. I am actually started to lean towards and prefer push feed- call me a heretic but the actions are just plain slicker and I would trust a 700 in a do or die situation. YES - I own both...which do I prefer...I tend to like whichever is in my hand at the time best.

Shoes
June 9, 2011, 09:40 AM
I am a volunteer for the the Forest Preserve District deer management program. I use a 700 because of it's accuracy. In fact, many of the others involved keep asking to shoot the gun because of the trigger and accuracy.

+1 for Rem 700

bullethole1
June 9, 2011, 12:31 PM
Id also like to say to go with the 700!

WildBill45
June 9, 2011, 01:06 PM
I think the Pushfeed is more accurate and that is why Remington and Savage use it more than likely.

Although that may be a side benefit, I think it is cheaper to make, a business decision over accuracy I think...

The CZ is a tank, strong, dependable, and accurate ... the downside depending on model is weight. The controlled-round-feed is played down by push-feed folks, and played up by fans. It is an advantage to have in most cases, working the bolt fast under stress, either danger or a Record Class elk standing before you can cause problems. The CZ is made as a real rifle without corners being cut.

The Remington is usually lighter, accuracy not a factor between the two, especially for field use. Most of the Remingtons I have owned, although custom models for most, have great triggers, but the CZ is good as well, with a set trigger on some CZ models.

You can get calibers in CZ not available in Remington rifles ... .458 Lott, 9.3x62, and many more.

Remington is made in the USA, which is a big thing these days, and work wonderfully in most cases, with good service if they don't.

I love both, but I don't have both in the same calibers, so I choose which one to match what I am doing ... protection in bear or lion country, or shooting deer and elk, etc.

I say buy both, one at a time!:D

Attached is a photo I shot of #1 Son touching off my CZ .458 Lott on the range in Anchorage Alaska.

bullethole1
June 9, 2011, 01:08 PM
I dealt with CZ b4 ,they are good guns as well!

WildBill45
June 9, 2011, 01:17 PM
HEY BULLETHOLE1!

The cheapest rifle on the market can outshoot the best shooter in the world under hunting conditions!:eek:

Get a rifle, which is the easy part ... now learn how to hunt! Give me a country boy with an ole' 03'A3 over the rich guy with a custom rifle anytime, when you actually need to eat!;)

Rimfire5
June 9, 2011, 06:27 PM
I have a Remington 700 SPS Varmint in .22-250 and 2 CZs - a 527 Kevlar Varmint heavy barrel in .223 and a 550 Kevlar stock in .30-06.

All three are great shooters.

The Remington shot under 1 MOA but the Remington trigger was abysmal and the stock was cheap and binding on the barrel. I changed to a Timney trigger and a Bell and Carlson stock on the Remington to get it to shoot great but now it is a great shooter - and easily shoots under 0.5 inch groups with about 8 different loads with 52 to 55 grain bullets.

One thing to be careful of, some of the lighter Remington 700s have minimal recoil pads and can be hard on the shoulder. My friend's .270 takes the fun out of shooting it after about 3 shots. It is an accurate rifle but it is light and the recoil pad is very thin and hard.


Both the CZs have a regular and set trigger.
I love the set triggers - 2 lbs on the 527 and 1.6 lbs on the .30-06.
The regular triggers are 3.5 lbs.

The CZ 527 was a tack driver right out of the box and averages 0.45 inches with a wide variety of different loads with 45 grain to 65 grain bullets. It is a joy to shoot. Its best groups are under 0.120 inches and there are over 20 scanned and measured groups under 0.25 inches on its 'hall of fame'.

The CZ 550 is a hunting rifle and, in .30-06, it heats up the barrel quickly so group shooting doesn't mean much. It has a Kevlar HS Precision stock with a Pachmyer Decelerator pad. You can shoot it all day and not be bothered by the stock. It still recoils like a .30-06 but it doesn't bother your shoulder.

With a cold, fouled barrel, it puts the first two shots in the same hole at 100 yards. Then barrel heating moves the next shots out progressively by 0.25 inches higher and right with each trigger pull until you let it cool down. Then it is back to the aim point with the next round.
The 550 still averages around 0.75 with is favorite 180 grain loads but it actually is a much more accurate rifle than that. With 2 shots it is amazing.
I figure that if you can't hit what you aim at with 2 shots, you shouldn't be hunting so group size doesn't provide anything but bragging rights.

I think you would be happy with either a Remington 700 or a CZ.
Pick the rifle you like and it will probably be a good shooter.
Expect to mess with the Remington a bit to get the best out of it.
If I hadn't changed the trigger and stock, I would have had a 0.8 inch rifle.
With the new trigger and stock, I have an under 0.5 inch rifle and enjoy it more every time I pull the trigger.

Don Glock
June 9, 2011, 09:37 PM
i would never purchase a current remington product. CZ is awesome.

warbirdlover
June 9, 2011, 09:48 PM
Ignore. I posted something I already posted. (Senility setting in)...:rolleyes:

publius
June 9, 2011, 10:02 PM
they are both good rifles and would buy what feels best in your hands. My next rifle will be a CZ b/c I must have another 6.5x55 and I like the set trigger. Rem. doesn't offer the 6.5.

doceaux
June 10, 2011, 07:24 AM
Publius, Rem. made the classic in 6.5x55 in 1994 if you can find one you will be pleased. I am hoping they will make some in the new classic line with the stainless fluted barrel and laminated stock. So far they have produced the 30-06, .260, 257 Roberts etc. I shoot a lot of 6.5(.260 model 7 and Browning A-Bolt) and my 700 classic swede with great results. Rem. has 3 current models in .260 to choose from. doceaux

Wyosmith
June 10, 2011, 07:50 AM
I am a gunsmith and I earn my living in the trade. I know both of these actions inside and out.
I have done repairs to Remington 721, 722 and 700 rifles for over 40 years. Bolt handles that come off, extractors that bind or break, triggers that come apart, and so on. I have repaired 3 so far this year already.

I have never had to repair ANY metal part on a CZ action. EVER! Zip. Nada. Zero! They work and they never seem to stop working.

Both shoot equally well as far as accuracy goes. The Remington is prettier in most cases, and feel a bit smoother.

To me, this is like being asked if I would rather have a 20 dollar bill or a hundred dollar bill.
Take the $100
Take the CZ

BoomieMCT
June 10, 2011, 12:56 PM
I have both a new CZ rifle and a new Remington rifle and I'd have to say that either is a good pick. The CZ will generally have nicer wood and nicer finish on the metal but it also costs more (they have nothing to compete with the cheaper SPS line). More money - you should be getting a nicer product.

As far as push feed vs. controlled feed: I've never had an issue with push feed failing to load or extract. The only extractor I've ever broken *in my life* was on a Mauser 98 (with it's big beefy claw extractor). So, I think most of the difference is hype.

As far as new Remingtons being crap - I have a new 700 SPS tactical in .308 that shoots MOA or less all day long out of the box with no mods even with the "crappy" Hogue stock. If that is a sign of a decline in quality, the older ones must truly be magical guns.

AllenJ
June 10, 2011, 02:02 PM
Wyosmith,

Why do you think you are seeing so many Remingtons come into your shop? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I believe you are a professional and your opinion matters much more than mine, a hobbiest. I'm just wondering if you are seeing design flaws or lack of quality workmanship/materials on the Remington's.

.300 Weatherby Mag
June 10, 2011, 04:44 PM
As far as new Remingtons being crap - I have a new 700 SPS tactical in .308 that shoots MOA or less all day long out of the box with no mods even with the "crappy" Hogue stock. If that is a sign of a decline in quality, the older ones must truly be magical guns.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=427633

You need to read this.. They send out more than their fair share of lemons these days..

AllenJ
June 11, 2011, 11:29 AM
Thank you 300 Weatherby Mag, if that happened to me it would certainly sour my taste for Remington products. I think what I was trying to ask Wyosmith without sounding like I was trying to be a jerk is that with all the Remington rifles out there compared to how many CZ there are, should he not expect to see more Remingtons come into his shop? If he is seeing a quality workmanship issue, as you seem to have had twice, I want to know because it could be a deciding factor on my next firearm purchase.

.300 Weatherby Mag
June 11, 2011, 01:47 PM
Thank you 300 Weatherby Mag, if that happened to me it would certainly sour my taste for Remington products. I think what I was trying to ask Wyosmith without sounding like I was trying to be a jerk is that with all the Remington rifles out there compared to how many CZ there are, should he not expect to see more Remingtons come into his shop? If he is seeing a quality workmanship issue, as you seem to have had twice, I want to know because it could be a deciding factor on my next firearm purchase.

AllenJ,

I've actually had three Remingtons not work out of the box... The third one which I did not mention was a 20 gauge Wingmaster... It had similar issues, but most of it was parts that needed to be fitted and most that I was able to do myself... For what a Wingmaster costs, the customer should not have to do fitting work on a guns internals to make it function..

BusGunner007
June 11, 2011, 05:45 PM
...maybe I'm just lucky.
I've never had a problem with my centerfire rifles or shotguns.
The 597 .22LR rifle has had some 'issues', but these have been addressed.

I would think the sheer number of Remington 700's would have a bearing on finding some with a problem with something.

The bolt handle falling off makes me wonder if someone, somewhere, beat it with a stick or hammer to get the bolt to move after shooting a hot load or a cartridge that had been sun-cooked in or out of the rifle.

The extractor / cir-clip has never been an issue with me or anyone I know; not that it can't happen.

Triggers coming apart sounds like somebody was messing with it.

I won't bash other products just because I've had good 'luck' and like my Remington rifles. I don't mistreat them or monkey with them either...
I have read that other products had 'issues', too.

For the purposes of hunting and target shooting with one rifle, the 700 LTR would be a helluva choice; plus it's a good 'SHTF' rifle, if you're into that.
1 rifle. 3 purposes. Who else has one but Remington?

http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/700pltr.htm
http://www.remingtonle.com/images/rifles/700pltr.jpg

WildBill45
June 18, 2011, 11:49 AM
I would think the sheer number of Remington 700's would have a bearing on finding some with a problem with something.

Here-hear!

The number of examples of CZ vs Rem. is lopsided by a large margin, hence more opportunities for an individual shop to see problems in that larger group. I think that the use of each may be a factor as well. Remington markets more and has been around for a long time, so the average Joe may buy more of such a recognizable brand. The CZ brand is known more by the experienced, and the more refined shooter, so the way it is shot, cleaned, treated in the field, and other care issues may come into play.

The other option is Remington rifles actually ARE of a lesser quality today. CZ has always been a tough, reliable rifle, and I have personally seen many Pro hunters in Africa carrying the Brno rifles. Then again, that may be an European thing as well in Africa. The cost of the rifles play into it of course, and the action types is probably a big thing for most Pro African hunters/guides.

The Military and Police sniper teams have loved, and used Remington rifles for a long time! This speaks volumes to me about the Remington!