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Single Six
May 16, 2011, 04:20 PM
I admit it. I'm a hopeless Cold Steel fan. Any company that makes video proof of the toughness of their wares while daring other companies to follow suit [so far, no takers] is okay with me. So here's what I'm wondering: Why is it that most knife articles in most gun magazines seem to ignore this particular manufacturer? American Handgunner and their sister publication Guns are prime examples. In fact, Lynn Thompson himself seems to be alluding to this unspoken collective prejudice in his most recent catalog. Anyone have any ideas?

Bones
May 16, 2011, 05:29 PM
Back in the old days,if a manufacture didn't advertise in the magazine, it was unlikely to get a product (positive) review in the magazine.

Single Six
May 16, 2011, 06:58 PM
Bones: You raise an interesting point. Handgunner and Guns are still my two favorites, but now that you mention it...I don't recall seeing any Cold Steel ads in either one.

NWdude83
May 17, 2011, 02:39 PM
Bones nailed it right on the head. You gotta advertise in the magazine to get a review (generally good) whether you are a firearms manufacture or a knife manufacture. Springfield blanketed gun magazines with advertisments for the XD, which they paid a lot of money for. And maybe because of that, it won handgun of the year for several years. Im not saying thats the only reason it won, but it didnt hurt its chances either.

Rifleman1776
May 17, 2011, 04:44 PM
As a writer who couldn't make it in the gun mag business because I told the truth, I know, first hand, advertisers get the reviews. And they get good ones because that is what rings the cash register.
Truthful reviews of an inferior product loses the advertiser and gets the writer fired.

THEZACHARIAS
May 17, 2011, 05:05 PM
All good reasons I don't buy those publications anymore. Any idiot can rave for a page and a half about how a 20 year old pistol design with a new light mount is a benchmark in firearms technology and 'totally worth' the extra $100. Show me a writer who can give an honest review on a product, and I'll show you a receipt for my 3 year subscription.

Rifleman1776
May 17, 2011, 06:44 PM
Don't put all the blame on the writers. It starts with the owners who give orders to the editors who tell the writers how to slant the articles. Do not expect objectivity in slick magazines, regardless of subject. e.g. guns, boats, cars, household, whatever.

Slamfire
May 17, 2011, 08:39 PM
Bones nailed it right on the head. You gotta advertise in the magazine to get a review (generally good) whether you are a firearms manufacture or a knife manufacture. Springfield blanketed gun magazines with advertisments for the XD, which they paid a lot of money for. And maybe because of that, it won handgun of the year for several years. Im not saying thats the only reason it won, but it didnt hurt its chances either.

Not only advertise, but pay for the article.

It is noticeable that the articles in gun magazines are simply paid infomercials for the products mentioned in the article. At the end of each article in Guns magazine is a list of the products that the author wove into the story and where to get them.

Another reason may be spite. I met Lynn Thompson once, he is not a cuddly bear, infact he is a hard nosed business man and that will ruffle feathers, especially for writers and editors expecting to be treated as royalty.

So they have no reason to pump his products. No free bees, no ego stroking, no advertising.

NWdude83
May 18, 2011, 01:11 AM
And look who has an ad on every other page in gun magazines now... Ruger. Guess who won handgun of the year the last 2 years...

egor20
May 18, 2011, 01:28 AM
OK, getting back To Cold Steel weapons...

I have a Blackthorn, (I broke my leg a few years ago) and I've always wanted an OSS knife, but I can't carry one while riding, Damn nice looking knife though.

Single Six
May 18, 2011, 03:03 AM
Egor: We're on the same page. ;) I'm partial to the Voyager series, and here lately, the Rajah II. I also splurged a few years back for the Magnum Tanto II, an elegant [yet serious] fixed blade if ever there was one.

Sturmgewehre
May 18, 2011, 01:40 PM
As a writer who couldn't make it in the gun mag business because I told the truth, I know, first hand, advertisers get the reviews. And they get good ones because that is what rings the cash register.
Truthful reviews of an inferior product loses the advertiser and gets the writer fired.
Yup, but there is a business model where honesty still works and pays the bills. The Internet allows you to publish your honest reviews and generate revenue not from advertisements from manufacturers but instead from traffic.

I love the Internet. :)

I stopped buying Guns and Ammo years ago because they gave glowing reviews of low quality, poorly made, poorly designed products. Why? Because the company had a full page spread in the magazine.

I've since started doing my own reviews using YouTube as a venue and it's been growing steadily. It seems to me that the Internet will eventually put the pinch on traditional print publications one day... and that day can't come soon enough for me.

Thank you for being honest about your reviews though... I admire your resolve.

ChrisJ715
May 18, 2011, 02:08 PM
As another CS fan, I can honestly say I've never even seen a CS review in a gun or knife magazne. These explanations make perfect sense to me.

Single Six
May 18, 2011, 02:55 PM
Chris: I hate to admit it, but it makes sense to me too. Any TFL moderators care to offer an opinion, since you guys are in the publishing biz?

Geezerbiker
May 19, 2011, 02:21 AM
Seriously who reads magazines anymore? I get the AR with my membership but I didn't join to get it. Magazines like newspapers are a dieing industry...

Tony

Single Six
May 19, 2011, 06:24 AM
Geezerbiker: Obviously, yours truly still reads 'em. You will never see me with an "e-pad" or "i-pad" or whatever the heck it is those electronic thingies that contain books are called. :)

NWdude83
May 20, 2011, 12:00 AM
I mostly just look at the pictures, and only read a little bit of the articles.

rayban
May 20, 2011, 07:01 AM
"I mostly just look at the pictures, and only read a little bit of the articles. "

......that's how I go through these threads:D

Geezerbiker
May 20, 2011, 10:23 AM
I discovered years ago that magazines give the best reviews to those that spend the most on advertising. Now with the internet, you can talk to people that have real experience with what you want to know about. I have a Cold Steel Tanto but I haven't had it long enough to comment on it anything more than it looks very strong...

Tony

Single Six
May 20, 2011, 11:38 AM
Geezerbiker: If you haven't already seen it, you ought to check out Cold Steel's video "Absolute Proof". They will happily send it to you for free if you just ask; ditto for their catalog. When the day comes that SOG, CRKT, or Spyderco step up and make a video like that, I just MIGHT consider buying something from them! The web site is www.ltspecpro.com and the phone # is 1-800-255-4716.

bravo124
May 20, 2011, 12:06 PM
I don't understand it either, but I'm kinda glad. I own the Rajah II, Spartan, and the Recon 1. Love them all. Maybe if the magazines start promoting Cold Steel then the prices will go up. To me it's a great knife at a reasonable price.

Single Six
May 20, 2011, 12:32 PM
Bravo124, you and I would get along famously. :D

Geezerbiker
May 20, 2011, 04:28 PM
I bought my Cold Steel Tanto because I talked to a guy that used one in Africa to skin a rhino. He said it was the toughest knife he had ever used and wouldn't hunt without it. I found a used one cheap and snapped it up. It's going to be my hunting knife until I pass it on to one of my grandsons...

Tony

JBriggs
May 20, 2011, 04:48 PM
I've had cold steel tanto for years. been through a lost of use and abuse and is still going strong. I recently picked up a little urban pal push dagger that fits on my key chain. pretty neat little knife. I agree with all the folks above- you just don't see reviews bc cold steel won't buy the ad space. Based on what they make, guess they really don't have to.

nathaniel
May 20, 2011, 05:48 PM
I bought a roach belly about a year ago after looking for a cheap knife I could use for camping. I have used that knife for litterally everything and I have never sharpened the blade. I have never had such a good knife for so little of a price tag. I think thier video is all the advertising they need.

khest
May 21, 2011, 12:11 PM
Cold steel gets a bad rap in the knife forums. I think people hate them to hate them. Thus hate from knife forums spills over to gun rag er I mean magazines as well. That is just my opinion on it all.

Khest

Dave Cole
May 21, 2011, 12:38 PM
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Slamfire
May 24, 2011, 08:49 AM
Cold steel gets a bad rap in the knife forums. I think people hate them to hate them. Thus hate from knife forums spills over to gun rag er I mean magazines as well. That is just my opinion on it all

A very popular knife forum, lets call them “BadForums” allowed their forum members to create an atmosphere of hate towards Cold Steel. Cold Steel had a presence on that forum and then left. I suspect in revenge, BadForums encouraged the haters and noticeably eliminated Cold Steel fans. The haters actually codified a religion of hate, but upon examination it was just a litany of complaint based on the themes found in our 30 second news cycle.

There was such a hostile atmosphere on BadForums that when Cold Steel opened their own forum, thousands of posts were created over night by people who wanted to talk about Cold Steel knives without being attacked. Since eyeballs equal advertizing money, the loss in traffic must have been noticed by the management of Badforums and they must have clamped down on their Cold Steel Hate Club, particularly after these same haters shifted their attack to manufacturers who had a paid presence at Badforums.

I thought the whole thing very interesting as a social phenomena. It showed to me the internet is a very powerful medium, the power of discontent minorities to move majorities, and it showed me the herd nature of humans.

output
May 24, 2011, 09:28 AM
What does this have to do with firearms? Please don't get me wrong. I share the same respect and passion for knives as I do firearms (if not more.)

EDIT:

On to the topic at hand…

I have never noticed what brand of knife or knives are being advertised or discussed in gun magazines because I’m not reading them for a knife review. These are firearm magazines not knife magazines.

With that being said… I am not a fan of cold steel. That doesn’t mean that I think they make a bad knife by any means. Cold Steel knives just aren’t for me. I think they are a great value for the dollar and I have a lot of friends that love them and carry them daily. I do carry their pepper spray “Inferno” with me daily though.

GURU1911
May 24, 2011, 09:41 AM
GENTLEMEN: I WAS A LONG-TIME FREQUENT CONTRIBUTOR TO A GUN-CHAT FORUM KNOW AS "THR" AND WAS TOLD THAT I WAS NO LONGER WELCOME AS A CONTRIBUTOR TO THAT WEBSITE. I PUBLICALLY DECLARED MY PERSONAL SATISFACTION WITH EVERY CS PRODUCT I HAVE PURCHASED SINCE THE EARLY 1980'S AND WAS TRASHED BY THE STAFF & OTHER READERS FOR STATING MY OPINIONS. THEREFORE, I RESIGNED IN WRITING FROM THAT FORUM.

WE ALL HAVE PERSONAL OPINIONS & EXPERIENCES (GOOD OR BAD) WITH PRODUCTS RELATED TO THE OUTDOORS & SHOOTING SPORTS IN GENERAL. HOWEVER, WE ABSOLUTELY MUST RESPECT EACH OTHERS OPINION EVEN IF WE DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER. SO LONG AS WE DEBATE THE PROS & CONS OF THE PRODUCT, SERVICE, OR TECHNIQUE WITHOUT VERBALLY SLANDERING THE CONTRIBUTOR, THEN "THE FIRING LINE" WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE BEST PRO-GUN FORUM ON THE INTERNET.

I HAVE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATED IN MANY ASPECTS OF THE SHOOTING SPORTS FOR 50 YEARS & HAVE A LIFETIME OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCE TO SHARE WITH FELLOW READERS & CONTRIBUTORS. YOU MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE WITH WHAT I HAVE TO SAY, BUT YOU MUST RESPECT MY RIGHT TO SAY IT !!!!! IF ANYONE DESERVES TO BE ATTACKED, IT IS THOSE CITIZENS, LEGISLATORS, JUDGES, ELECTED OFFICIALS, & ELECTED GOVERNMENTAL OFFICIALS, WHO ATTEMPT TO DENY AMERICANS THE RIGHTS GUARANTEED TO CITIZENS BY THE FIRST 10 AMENDMENTS OF THE US CONSTITUTION.

I SUPPORT YOU & I EXPECT YOU TO SUPPORT ME, NO MATTER WHAT OTHERS MIGHT THINK. GOD BLESS THE USA-----OOOO-RAH.

PS: PLEASE FORGIVE THE LARGE CAPS. I HAVE SUFFERED MULTIPLE MINI-STROKES OVER THE PAST 5 YEARS & MY VISION WAS DEALT A SEVERE BLOW. I AM DISABLED & NO LONGER ABLE TO DRIVE OR MAINTAIN EMPLOYMENT IN MY 32 YEAR CAREER AS A SAFETY & HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL. THEREFORE, I AM HOME-BOUND AND HAVE A LOT OF FREE TIME TO SIT AT MY PC & HELP MY FELLOW SHOOTERS TO SOLVE VARIOUS MECHANICAL PROBLEMS WITH THEIR RIFLES & HANDGUNS. THANKS FOR NOT BLASTING ME ON THIS FORUM BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE THOUGHT I WAS "YELLING" AT READERS. THANKS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF MY SITUATION & PLEASE PRAY FOR A HEALING OF MY VISION--GOD BLESS.

MICHAEL S. WHITLOCK (aka: GURU1911)
PROUD AMERICAN & NATIVE BORN TEXAN

ChrisJ715
May 24, 2011, 10:59 AM
Well, its good to see some fellow CS fans somewhere on the internet. I think I'll get my (20 years old and still razor sharp) Recon tanto out and find something to cut.

ohen cepel
May 24, 2011, 11:50 AM
I have many of CS's items and like them for what they are, will be buying more in the future if I like their products. Really like their tomahawks.

I don't get the ton of hate/love that the company draws though. Lynn Thompson can be a bit annoying but that is a minor distraction.

They sell good knives at a good price point. Some are not to my taste but I'm not going to blast someone else if they choose to buy it.

The forums would all be a lot better off if people didn't get so emotional about what someone else wants to spend their money on.

RimfireChris
May 24, 2011, 01:48 PM
I've been a fan since I was the age I wish I was now. :p I own both what was once their most expensive knife-the Black Sable-and their cheapest-the Kudu-along with several in between, right now a Finn bear and a 4" Ti-Lite. I used to have a full serrated Lg Voyager Tanto that I used daily for seven years when I worked at a newspaper, cutting cardboard and heavy duty plastic banding straps on bundles of inserts. I had to sharpen it maybe twice a year. I'm sold on their products and will be forever. I have some other knives, that I bought just because I liked the design, but for serious work or play I won't have any other. The "experts" who think they know better can stuff it, or else let me hang 250 lbs of weight from their folding knife of choice, and we'll see what happens. I think it's telling that in all the years they've been making their videos, to my knowledge NO OTHER knife company has made one of their own.
What I don't get about the hate is I've never heard Lynn Thompson, at least in any of the vids, trash talk about any other knife company specifically, so how come some people have gotten so butt-hurt about it?

GURU1911
May 24, 2011, 03:41 PM
In the early 1980's, lynn thompson offered a substantial amount of money ( $25,000 i think it was) to any factory or custom maker who would:

1. Test their knives using the same exact testing methods
2. Allow the testing to be video taped
3. Allow consumers unlimited access to the video results
4. Let the consumer decided for themselves which knife to purchase.

To the best of my knowledge, no custom maker nor factory has ever taken him up on this challenge.

For almost 30 years, i was a member of the inner circle of friends, to mr. Clyde e. Fischer of victoria, texas. He was one of the founding members of the knife makers guild. Before he died in 2002, i asked him, "who makes the best factory production folders or fixed blades available to the public ?" he replied "those boys at cold steel make one tough s.o. B of a knife. Other than the ones i forge in my own shop, cold steel makes the best"

there you go. From the mouth of one of the best custom knife makers the world has ever seen----r.i. P my old amigo.

Guru1911

Single Six
May 25, 2011, 09:15 PM
I got even more confirmation on this today...at a bookstore, I looked through a softcover book of tactical gear. If I recall correctly it was published by Shooting Times magazine. In the knife section, the manufacturers were listed alphabetically. They had Boker, CRKT....and then skipped straight to Spyderco. Yet more proof of what most of you guys have been saying on this thread, I guess. Sad.

JohnKSa
May 25, 2011, 10:29 PM
I like some of CS' stuff, and it does appear that they put some thought and effort into making a decent product. They do make stuff that seems like it's designed by someone who actually uses the products.

That said, their over-the-top advertising style (as seen in their videos) is kind of hard to swallow.

By the way, I have broken a CS product. Had the clip break on one of the old-style Voyagers with the pocket clip integral to the plastic handle. It caught on something and snapped right off. I see that their new Voyagers have a metal clip that looks like it can be replaced--progress.

Which brings up another thought. I have to say that I'm somewhat impressed that they seem to be always looking for ways to improve. Besides going to a replaceable metal clip on the Voyager series, another example is the new lock they're using on their folders. It looks like a real improvement over their older style lock which was already a pretty strong lock the way they implemented it.

The new handle profile on their big folders is also an improvement over the older handle style. After the clip broke on my Voyager, I reshaped the handle to a more natural feeling profile. When I looked at their new Voyagers, I was struck that my reprofiled handle looks a lot like the new handle shape they're using now.

Single Six
May 26, 2011, 06:10 AM
JohnKSa: I guess anything man-made can break, over-the-top videos notwithstanding. However, in those videos, I don't recall them ever testing the clips...just the blades and their locking mechanisms. What strikes me is how no other company will make such a video. What do you think of this apparent bias against CS in the magazines?

Nilloc
May 26, 2011, 06:51 AM
I've noticed the CS hate on several other forums as well. As a matter of fact, I'm new to the CS line of knives and recently picked up a Mini Lawman for a really good price (about 1/2 retail) and I was on my favorite forum asking if anyone had one and what they thought. I was met with several remarks of "we don't like CS around here, nor do we like Lynn Thompson". I inquired as to why they were not liked by my fellow forumites and the next thing you know, I was put on a 3 day ban. Go figure.

Whatever it is about CS, that company brings out the anger in some.

hornetguy
May 26, 2011, 08:42 AM
All good reasons I don't buy those publications anymore. Any idiot can rave for a page and a half about how a 20 year old pistol design with a new light mount is a benchmark in firearms technology and 'totally worth' the extra $100. Show me a writer who can give an honest review on a product, and I'll show you a receipt for my 3 year subscription.


Me, too.

I've been a CS fan for probably 20 yrs or so. I use a carbonV master hunter (paid about 35 bucks for it) as my main hunting knife. It was used to gut and skin three aoudads before it needed to be touched up. Great "grippy" handle, just a great knife. I actually used a rock to pound on the backstrap of it to drive it through a breastbone, didn't even seriously scratch it.
I've got a factory second recon tanto, and have had numerous smaller folders and ready-edges. I love em.
The CS serration pattern is the best in the business, IMHO. I used one of the smaller ones (can't remember what it was called) as a work knife, and used it to cut rubber hose, cardboard, leather, even sawed through some plastic tubing with it. I guess I used it for about 6 years or so... I'd touch it up with a triangle shaped ceramic rod, and finally messed up the serrations enough to "retire" it.
It seems like a lot of the new CS stuff is more "off-shore" looking, but the old stand-bys are still GREAT.

edit: I've got the video from CS, about "proof" ... it's an amazing video. Doubters, step forward and learn...

ChrisJ715
May 26, 2011, 09:20 AM
You know, this stuff is why I left certain forums (to remain unnamed). Not just knife forums but martial arts forums as well. I'll keep buying Cold Steel as long as they continue to make quality products, and I'll continue to like and be amused by Lynn Thompson.
Good to see a bunch of CS fans together like this.

Nilloc
May 26, 2011, 11:49 AM
I've always been curious as to where the "hate" for CS stems from, but can't figure it out and when I've asked on other forums, I've either gotten a temporary ban or I've been told that I shouldn't bring the topic up.
:eek:

GURU1911
May 26, 2011, 04:47 PM
TO THE FAMILY OF "COLD STEEL" DEVOTEES ON THIS FORUM:

GENTLEMEN: I OFFER THE FOLLOWING PLAN

1. IMMEDIATELY DIVORCE YOURSELVES FROM THOSE FORUMS, WHICH ENCOURAGE, TOLERATE, & PROMOTE HATRED TOWARDS OUR FAVORITE BRAND OF KNIVES / PRODUCTS AND TO THOSE CONSUMERS WHO CHOOSE TO SPEND THEIR MONEY WITH COLD STEEL CORPORATION.

2. DISCONTINUE YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS TO THOSE PUBLICATIONS WHO BASH COLD STEEL PRODUCTS & HAVE NO RATIONAL BASIS FOR SUCH.

3. DO NOT TOLERATE THIS TYPE OF UNDESIRABLE BEHAVIOR FROM ANYONE WHO ACTIVELY PARTICIPATES IN THIS FORUM. SUCH BEHAVIOR WILL BE ADDRESSED BY THE MEMBERSHIP & BACKED BY THE STAFF MEMBERS.

4. CONTINUE TO PURCHASE & PROMOTE COLD STEEL PRODUCTS TO FORUM MEMBERS, SO LONG AS COLD STEEL CONTINUES TO OFFER HIGH-QUALITY PRODUCTS TO CONSUMERS.

HOPEFULLY THIS SUGGESTED PLAN WILL SETTLE THIS ISSUE ONCE & FOR ALL
WITH THE READERS OF THIS FORUM. WE SUPPORT THE RIGHT FOR ALL TO CHOOSE AS THEY SEE FIT, BUT YOU WILL NEVER BE BASHED, ABUSED, OR HUMILIATED FOR THE CHOICES YOU MAKE.

PROUD CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF "THE FIRING LINE" FORUM--OOO-RAH !!!

MICHAEL S. WHITLOCK (aka: GURU1911)
SEALY, TEXAS 77474

GM1967
May 26, 2011, 05:28 PM
I also like Cold Steel products. I browse their catalogs and website fairly often. Their advertising videos are both impressive and entertaining.

I own a few of their products....SRK knife, kukri machete, one of their 5" kitchen knives, a rubber training knife, and their warhammer. I find their stuff to be generally excellent, although not the be-all and end-all of knives. For example, I have a SOG Tigershark, somewhat comparable to the Cold Steel Trailmaster, and I am very satisfied with it -- it will do pretty much any job you could ask from a knife, including what you'd normally use a hatchet for.

I also like their polypropelene training swords, and may buy one or two of those in the future. Their steel swords are nice, but there are better swordmakers out there, and some CS swords are....not very historically accurate.

Overall though, I'd rate Cold Steel as a very good manufacturer. Many of their products would be hard to find elsewhere, especially at their level of quality.

The Cold Steel hate reminds me a lot of the Glock hate....or even the Taurus hate.

Boberama
May 26, 2011, 06:36 PM
Their advertising has turned me off because I find it too sensational.

Same with many gun ads.

I want a sober, serious ad without implications that I will be turned into an "operator" by buying their products.

I find this is a widespread problem.

Sorry to be off topic. I did want one of their Light Cavalry Sabres, though.

shooter_john
May 30, 2011, 12:29 PM
I have had great luck with Cold Steel. I carry an American Lawman every single day, and if I'm hitting the woods, I carry a Spartan. Great stuff for sure.

I guess I must make a shameless plug as well since there is a collective CS fan base talking here... When I got my business up an running, I became a Cold Steel dealer, mainly because I could, and I like knives. I am currently running a Cold Steel group buy for the next two days, 40% off list price on anything you want. Here are the details...
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=451217

Like I said, I like knives, and I'm not really doing this to make money... Just trying to offer a good deal to good people.

Rifleman1776
May 30, 2011, 02:06 PM
Have never owned or used a Cold Steel product. In an earlier post I said many good knives could be purchased for much lower prices. No hate.
These forums are good fodder for the psychologists.
I have seen 'hate' posts when the name brand of a certain woodworking tool is mentioned. Same with WD-40, always worth a firestorm. And, if you can believe it, a polishing wax for pens.
Folks is funny critters.
I would be willing to buy a CS knife if it fit my needs and budget.