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TLH
June 16, 1999, 09:10 PM
Today I picked up an Austrian, Steyr Carbine,
Model 1895, Caliber 8X50R. It has a straight pull bolt action.

This is a wall hanger but if anyone has any info I would appreciate it. I "think" I have the locking system figured out.. I think the front bolt lugs rotate 90 degrees when the bolt's in battery.

Anybody know where I might find some old ammo for this thing.. not for shooting but would like to ses it.
Thanks TLH

Harley Nolden
June 17, 1999, 04:21 AM
TLH:
Thought you might be interested:

AUSTRIA:

M1895 Mannlicher Stutzen (Short Rifle)

Cal: 8mm
Other Name: 8X50R
Mfg: Osterreichische
Waffewnfabriks-Gesellschaft,
Steyr, 1895-1918
Budapest, 1897-1918
Action: Same as Model 1890
Length: 39.5"
Wgt: 6.8Lbs
Bbl Length: 19.6"
Grooves: 4 rh


Note: The above Specifications Differ from 1895 Mannlicher, this was very similar to the cavalry carbine but was for issue to Engineers, Gunners and others to whom it handiness was an advantage. It was fitted with a special knife bayonet and had a secondary foresight on top of the muzzle ring which was designed to compensate for the alteration of trajectory as a result of firing the rifle with the bayonet fixed.

8mm Mannlicher
Model 1895:

This became the oficial Austro-Hungarian service rifle, replacing various other patterns which were relegated to the Landwehr. The M1895 was used throughout the Habsburng Empore and was adopted in 1897, by Bulgaria. Many survived until WWII including a quantity in the hands of the Italian Army, who had received them in 1919-20 as war reparations. The 1895 rifle is mechanically the same as the 1890 carbine, using a straight pull bolt with rotary locking and a clip loaded magazine. The rifle was of conventional appearance, recognisable by the prominent spur on the cocking piece and the side mounted piling hook alongside the exposed muzzle.


8mmm Cavalry Carbine Model 1895:

This was the carbine derivation of the basic rifle and existed in two forms, varying only in minor respects. The same rotary locking straight-pull action and clip loaded magazine were used and the carbine was fitted with sling swivels. One version was fitted for a bayonet, the other was not.

AUSTRIAN 8mm Mannlicher Cartridge.

Introduced: 1888
Other name 8X50R
Type: Rimmed Necked, CF
Length: 2.99"
Avg. Wgt: 437 grs.
Type Powder: Nitrocellulose
Appx. Chg: 42.2 grs.
Primer: Berdan

CARTRIDGE Case:

Length: 1.98"
Lngth, Head to Shoulder: 1.51"
Shoulder Length: .20"
Length of Neck: .27"
Dia. at Rim: .551"
Base: .490"
Nech .350"
Shoulder .462
BULLET:
Type: Jacketed Rnd. Nose
Dia: .323"
Wgt: 244 grs.
Length: 1.25"

BALLISTICS:
Muzzle Velocity: 2030 f.s.
Pressure: 42000 lbs. Approx.

[This message has been edited by Harley Nolden (edited June 17, 1999).]

TLH
June 17, 1999, 10:28 PM
Thank you for your response. Do you have any idea if that bolt would stand up to ..oh .. like a 45-70 round, factory loading of course. Seems a shame to waste such an interesting action type

James K
June 17, 1999, 11:17 PM
I would leave it alone as a collector's item. Ammo turns up from time to time in the original clips. (Not same as 8x56R Hungarian.)

Jim

cmore
June 18, 1999, 01:37 AM
tlh, try old western scrounger, he lists obsolete and hard to find ammo.also, any surplus outlet that sells ammo, sometimes a case or two comes up.
http://www.snowcrest.net/oldwest/index2
cmore


NIL ILLEGITIMI CARBORUNDUM

fubsy
June 18, 1999, 10:00 AM
cmore...
Does that phrase your putting at the tailend of your post mean....
''dont let the basta@ds wear you down''
tks fubsy.