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RazorbackMac
April 29, 2011, 07:32 PM
I came across a store clearancing a Ruger M77 in .270 win and a Rem 700 buckmaster in 7mm mag. They were both reasonably priced from the get go but now they are each just under $500. Which would you buy? I do more target shooting than anything else but I also take about two deer a year. I'm certain that either caliber will work for whitetail so I guess it boils down to which is more fun to shoot and which platform is a better all around gun. All opinions are welcome!

38superhero
April 29, 2011, 07:43 PM
Ruger .270

Colorado Redneck
April 29, 2011, 07:53 PM
270 Winnie. 7 mag is a great caliber, but for deer sized game, the 270 is more than adequate. Here are a few of the positives for 270:

Cheaper Brass
Less recoil and muzzle blast
Cheaper Ammo
Less powder therefore cheaper to reload
Only 200 ft. lb less energy


Flameguard ON!

OK you 7 mag guys....come and get me! :D

jhgreasemonkey
April 29, 2011, 08:24 PM
The ruger is a stout well built rifle with a nice trigger. It's basicaly a modern mauser 98 action which is pretty much fail proof. The .270 win has less recoil and shoots darn near just as flat. Both are capable long range hunting cartidges. The 7mm rem mag does have more punch and can use heavier bullets but for deer hunting the .270 win has much more than enough power. Also I would not buy a Marlington right now until they get their quality control issues figured out.

uncyboo
April 29, 2011, 09:39 PM
If you handload, flip a coin. If not, go with the 270.

big al hunter
April 29, 2011, 10:44 PM
I have both models. I consider them equal as to quality and accuracy. 270 is one of the best all around deer cartridges available. Unless you plan on really big game like moose or the great bears the 7mm mag is way overpowered and has tooooooo much recoil for deer hunting. For the ballistic differences to matter much you would have to shoot to distances most hunters should not attempt. If you like bone jarring recoil get the mag if not the 270 will be a wonderful choice.

LOUD
April 29, 2011, 11:04 PM
I HAVE 2 Rugers , A m77 mkII in 300 win mag and a m77 in 270 win with iron sights which is kinda rare . I just love the modern Mauser actions ,I own a few but think they are my most beautiful guns, walnut stock and highly polished blue steel. Its just a thing of engineering beauty....Go Ruger!



LOUD

Rifletom
April 29, 2011, 11:05 PM
I've had two 7mm RM, both gone now. My .270 Win isn't going anywhere, except deer hunting. There!:D

Oh,BTW, seven of my rifles are Rugers: One No.1B, one MK77 RSI and five MKII's. Rugers are great rifles.

Picher
April 30, 2011, 04:59 AM
If you like the Ruger, it's the better caliber for deer and costs less to shoot. Magnum rifles are heavier and often have longer barrels than those made for standard calibers. The tried and true .270 Win with 130 grain bullets is where it's at for open area deer hunting. Moderate recoil, great trajectory, and excellent accuracy are the norm for this rifleman's cartridge.

Handloading is better too, since the magnum cases tend to be less flexible and don't last for as many reloads. That said, I've handloaded the 7mm mag and didn't have any major problems, but it's important to size cases to headspace on the case shoulder instead of the belt.

TheNatureBoy
April 30, 2011, 05:37 AM
Unless the 7mm has a bull barrel I would probably go with the .270.

kd7sgm
April 30, 2011, 06:11 AM
I would go with the Ruger. I like the M77 over the Remington, and am not a fan of the 7mm at all.

Art Eatman
April 30, 2011, 10:21 AM
The .270 is just as good as the 7mm for Bambi, and the ammo is likely a fair amount cheaper. Less recoil, as well.

mdd
April 30, 2011, 10:27 AM
I think ruger makes great & highly durable rifles. I have ten m77's, a 77/22, & a 10/22. Only one has ever given me mechanical troubles but I bought it used & lost on that gamble. Had excessive headspace on that rifle which took a $200 trip to the gun surgeon to correct. Otherwise they have all been flawless.
Of course I would tell you to buy the ruger but, in this scenario, its because of the caliber & not the rifle. I have a 7mm mag & its not fun to shoot. The recoil & muzzle blast are not worth enduring when the 270 will make your paper targets & deer just as dead.

TX Hunter
April 30, 2011, 11:20 AM
I would get the Ruger 270. Reason, I hate the Remington 700 Safety, or lack there of.

rbursek
April 30, 2011, 12:05 PM
I would go with the 270, for all the above reasons, plus if you choose to hunt varmits the 270 has lighter bullets for it then the 7mm mag and alot less recoil. Even if you where to go Elk or bear hunting the heavier bullets in the 270 would be fine for those.
Bob

MOshooter65202
April 30, 2011, 01:48 PM
If you are going to target shoot and whitetail 270 would probably be the best choice,also Ruger makes fine reliable firearms.
reasons stated
ammo cost
recoil???
barrel life
bore erosion
This statement is being made by someone that doesn't own a 270 or a Ruger centerfire rifle,I have several Ruger handguns and 10/22's

With all that said I own mostly older Rem 700's because I am older lol
The one gun I will never sell is my Rem 700BDL 7mm rem mag
I have been hunting with 20 years it has harvested many whitetail,varmints,and couple nice elk.
I handload all of my cartridges and really enjoy working up loads for my bolt action rifles and the 7mm rem mag is accurate,fast,flat,and hard hitting! I shoot the 7mm rem mag from the bench quite a bit and it shoots just as accurate as my Rem 700 SS Varmint w/flutted heavy barrel 22-250.I also hunt some very large crop fields and feel confident with my 7mm rem mag in the longer shots.

gaseousclay
April 30, 2011, 04:31 PM
if I absolutely had to pick one i'd go with the Ruger. I doubt i'd buy anything with Remington's name stamped on it with the exception of the gun lubes/oils

MOshooter65202
April 30, 2011, 04:57 PM
LOL That's funny haters buying rem oil and lube LMFAO That must be some good koolaid Sheep :D

Doc Intrepid
April 30, 2011, 05:09 PM
I own a Ruger M77 in .270 and love it. It's a fine rifle, and to my eyes one of the more classic in terms of its looks.

I also like the fact that I can take it out to the range in the afternoon and spend an hour or two with different loads just enjoying the shooting. I can't do that with the heavier 7mm magnum loads, and I used to have one of those also - shot them side by side. I got rid of the 7mm magnum. For my hunting purposes the Ruger .270 is fine - I also own a Remington R-25 in .308 and those are nice also.

(Go Ruger!!)

:D

pwrstrkd
April 30, 2011, 05:12 PM
Ruger. Much better quality, fit and finish than modern remington products.

RazorbackMac
April 30, 2011, 06:01 PM
Well, I suppose a unanimous vote pretty much seals that deal. I do handload so I was considering the .270 for brass cost/lifespan already but you have all been a big help. Now I suppose its time to move on and talk scopes... I have a spare bushnell banner (6-18x50) laying around ($38 on clearance was hard to argue with), does anyone have any objections to that matched up with my soon to be M77? I think its a good place to start considering no extra cost but I def want reliability first and foremost. With the budget I usually have, I'm thinking under $350 is a must, maybe when I win the lottery, someone can talk to me about moving up ;)

gaseousclay
April 30, 2011, 06:05 PM
LOL That's funny haters buying rem oil and lube LMFAO That must be some good koolaid Sheep

well, you're talking about a product that costs hundreds of dollars versus cheap oil and lube that only costs a couple of dollars. who gives a flying ****?

Doc Intrepid
April 30, 2011, 06:08 PM
You know, it's just a thought, but Cabelas has a very nice Nikon scope on sale now for $99.99.

Nikon makes decent optics, and the price is within your range.

Here is a link:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Nikon-ProStaff-Riflescope/729045.uts?Ntk=BargainCave&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DBargainCave%26Ntt%3DNIkon%2Bscope%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-Bargain%2BCave%26x%3D17%26y%3D10&Ntt=NIkon+scope&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-Bargain+Cave

GeauxTide
April 30, 2011, 10:15 PM
For just deer, 270.

cornbush
May 1, 2011, 07:52 AM
I have a 270, Remington 700 and love it, But I also recently had a major overpressure in a Ruger:(.........I'll take the Ruger any day of the week after seeing how it held together.

big al hunter
May 1, 2011, 09:34 AM
Look into vortex scopes vortexoptics.comI have a vortex viper 4-12x40 that I love. Clear bright and repeatable adjustments for long range shooting. The viper is about $400 but the vortex diamondback series is retailing at around $200. I also have a pair of their binoculars and just ordered another scope. They have the best warranty I have seen, forever for any reason free repair or replacement. And it is transferable. They stand behind their product. Look at the thread from a few days ago about the bushnell problems. Avoid that hassle and get a good warranty!

mdd
May 1, 2011, 01:31 PM
MoShooter, that was a pretty big stretch to classify us as haters for buying remington gun care products but not their guns. Most everyone is recommending the ruger because it is chambered in 270. If the remington were also chambered in 270 it would be garnering a lot more "yes" votes. Remington makes fine rifles but you have to understand their internal turmoil coupled with the safety issue will turn some people away....possibly permanently. Hell, ruger is still shaking off negative press earned twenty & thirty years ago because it is perpetuated by lazy misinformed internet experts.

MOshooter65202
May 2, 2011, 04:42 PM
[QUOTE] I doubt i'd buy anything with Remington's name stamped on it with the exception of the gun lubes/oils/QUOTE]

This statement really makes me laugh ROTFLMAO... If you're going to bad mouth and half a$$ boycott why don't you do it right,buy a different brand if you hate remington so much???

Terry A
May 2, 2011, 04:58 PM
If opinions are still welcome, I'll vote for the Remington, especially if it's chambered in 7mm Rem Mag.

MOshooter65202
May 2, 2011, 05:15 PM
mdd post #17 makes no sense wouldn't buy anything with remington on it yet buy their oils and lubes??? My post was directed to post #17

I grew up on Remingtons I have been hunting and shooting Rems over 40 years now,shotguns,rimfire,centerfire.We always hunted hard sun up to sundown,I am not sure how many miles I packed a Rem 1100 quail and pheasant hunting with good reliable service from those shotguns.
When it comes to the Remington centerfire rifles started shooting my Dads rem 721 280rem he purchased in 1959 that old rifle will still shoot a a one hole group today.I have 4 different 700's all very accurate and never a fail to fire,fail to eject,or any safety problems ever?
The way I see it if it's good enough for military and LE (remington) it's good enough for me the past 40 plus years

Guess I have a dog in this fight!

dgludwig
May 2, 2011, 08:12 PM
Caliber/cartridge choice aside, I much prefer the Ruger in terms of bolt-action rifles.

mdd
May 2, 2011, 10:41 PM
Gotcha. Hate to say it but ruger's taking your dog by the throat these days.

MOshooter65202
May 2, 2011, 11:02 PM
keep on dreamin' :D....bought my dad a new ruger 22-250 target 10 years ago and he took it back cause he couldn't get it to group,that rem 700 varmint 22-250 put that ruger target to shame :barf: lol

LOUD
May 3, 2011, 09:28 PM
Ive owned Remington products before and was well pleased with them, My first rifle was a .308 in model 788 Remington. I cut grass all summer saving for that rifle and looking back I wish I still had it . I just prefer the Mauser-ish action and the fit and finish of a Ruger m77 MKII. But I still wouldnt kick a Remington Model 700 out of bed either ..................LOUD

Longdayjake
May 3, 2011, 09:36 PM
bought my dad a new ruger 22-250 target 10 years ago and he took it back cause he couldn't get it to group,that rem 700 varmint 22-250 put that ruger target to shame

That was 10 years ago. Today, the general consensus is that ruger has gone up in quality and remington has gone down.

Rob3
May 4, 2011, 05:28 AM
I agree 100%. I bought a Ruger P95 pistol around 1997 and it looked and shot like it was made in a cave in Waziristan.

Last year, after shopping for months for a new hunting rifle I chose a Ruger Hawkeye. I was so impressed with the rifle that I have since bought a 10/22 and a Mini-30. I really like modern Rugers, they are a much better company than when Bill tried to run them into the ground.

roc1
May 4, 2011, 08:16 AM
I like both companies.My last Remingtons are good rifles.I have one that would not shoot and it is the first Remington I have ever had that has that problem. Remington has it and said they would make it right.My old Ruger M77 Tang safety is a great gun as well. I had a new Hawkeye it shot well but the bolt was as rough as a cob. I sent it back twice and they got it smoothed out but it was a loose fitting bolt and it never was any where near as smooth as my old Ruger or my Remington XCR. My XCR and my ADL cheapo shoot extremely well.The XCR is as smooth as butter the smoothest action I have on any rifle and I have several and different brands. The Remingtons and my Savages are the best shooters.
roc1

Art Eatman
May 4, 2011, 08:38 AM
The basic question was in comparing .270 vs. 7mm RemMag, for his uses.

Since this has degenerated mostly into a squabble of Remington vs. Ruger, it's pointless to keep on wasting bandwidth.