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guitars and guns
April 22, 2011, 04:08 PM
Ok, I am looking to purchase a shotgun for home defense. I'm looking for something in the sub $300 category. I am thinking 12 or 20 ga. Something I could have at the house for HD but also take out every once in a while and have some fun wasting a few shells.

My knowledge of shotguns is very limited so feel free to go off and explain why, what etc. etc.

Thx!

Stevie-Ray
April 22, 2011, 04:44 PM
I was in your position recently, and a newcomer to shotguns. I knew only one thing-that I wanted a semi-auto. Ended up with a Mossberg 930 SPX, far pricier than your limit, but perfect for me in every way other than price. In your case, I would probably recommend a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500. Either way, you'll get what you want. The pump guns are generally recommended for their reliability and these two are stellar in that regard.

nathaniel
April 22, 2011, 05:32 PM
Well if I were you Id go fondle some guns at the store. But I can tell you that you wont find many new guns for under $300. When it comes to home defense spend a little extra cash, now Im not saying you need a $1000 shotgun but get quality. Something like a Benelli, Remington, or mossberg. But the biggest thing is to find what fits YOU. After you do that get a case of shells and get good with it, or better yet take a class. People have the misconception that since it shoots more than one bullet that anyone can use it, and that you just point and shoot but it doesnt work that way. Its up to you to know how to use it and use it well. Then after you have become familiar with it come back on here and ask what type of shells to use for HD, I like to see the sparks fly when that one comes up.

LSU12ga
April 22, 2011, 07:02 PM
A used 870 should fit the bill nicely, for about 200$. Then you can buy a barrel on gun broker for about 100$. I did exactly this and I have been very happy.

jmortimer
April 22, 2011, 07:49 PM
For around $200.00 you can get a new H&R/Marlin/Remington Pardner Protector which is an 870 clone. As you can see from these 10 LEO owner reviews on Police Link it is a fantastic value. http://policelink.monster.com/products/products/3296-hr-1871-pardner-pump-protector
I love mine. It is the best deal by a wide margin for a new production pump action.

ReadyOnTheRight
April 22, 2011, 08:02 PM
A used 870 should fit the bill nicely, for about 200$. Then you can buy a barrel on gun broker for about 100$. I did exactly this and I have been very happy.

I agree. A used 870, a good cleaning and signing up for a trap, skeet or sporting clays league for practice.

chasep255
April 22, 2011, 08:14 PM
The mossberg 500 is good. I have a hunting model and its great. You could get like a basic tactical model for that price range.

Bucks Gun Shop
April 22, 2011, 08:45 PM
In your price range, you are most likely looking at a used pump action shotgun. The 870 is an excellent choice.

If you heart is set on a new shotgun, then you can look at Interstate Arms Defender. NEF is also marketing a low cost pump. Mossbergs are very good, but slightly out of your price range.

ClydeFrog
April 23, 2011, 02:01 AM
I, for the record, do not advise using a 12ga or a 20ga for home protection under most conditions.
That said, for under $300.00 USD, you may have limited choices. :(
I saw a sweet NIB(brand new) Remington 887 Tactical on www.GunsAmerica.com for about $430.00 beans. ;)

For home protection use, I'd say get a Mossberg 590, a 870 pump action shotgun or maybe a 1100 semi auto.
If you have the $$$, you can add custom features or get a good shop like Vang-Comp or Wilson Combat to soup it up for you.

www.wilsoncombat.com
www.VangComp.com

Have a safe & fun Easter weekend...

CF

10 Beers
April 23, 2011, 03:22 PM
Mossberg has pistol grip pumps with heat shields and extended magazines for $299. I swapped the pistol grip for the full stock on my little 500 and I like them better this way.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x122/HoldinMcGroin/pair.jpg

TheKlawMan
April 23, 2011, 07:18 PM
Like everyone says, you are looking at a Remington or Mossberg pump for about that kind of money if you want new. I got the Remington 870 but plenty love their Mossbergs.

What no one mentioned is that you can pick up a duo combination barrel Mossberg 500 in CA at Big 5 Sporting Goods for $279; which is a sale price they advertise about once every month. It has two drawbacks of which I am aware, when compared to a regular Mossberg 500.

It has a less expesive action slide that comes from a Mossberg subisidiary, Maverick Arms, and the long barrel does not accept screw in chokes. Instead the choke is fixed as a "Moderate". You can buy Mossberg's with interchangeable chokes, but that sale item doesn't have them.

Still, the Mossberg Big 5 deal isn't one to pass up without consideration if you want an HD gun that you can use to shoot some trap. In other areas of the country I believe other large retailers have similar deals (Dick's for one). WalMart in CA doesn't carry guns.

The Reminton 870 is a bit over your budget. I think the basic 870 can be found for $310 on sale at times.

Going with a used gun, as suggested, is not a bad idea. While I got a new 870 and I had to look for one, I found a used 28 inch vetn trib barrel with removable chokes for $85 in good condition.

krazykeny
April 23, 2011, 08:39 PM
Maverick Model 88 20 inch barrel - 7 round magazine

Price: $219.99 to $199.00

http://www.maverickarms.com

Pump-action. Dual extractors & twin-action slide bars for non-binding extraction.
Recoil pad. Barrel compatible with Mossberg 500 model barrels
within gauge & capacity.
Cross-bolt safety. Handles all factory 2-3/4" & 3" loads.
Capable of firing lead steel or non-toxic loads.
Includes Cablelock. One-year limited warranty.

http://www.shootersjax.com/images/products/display/31046.1.jpg

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BrittB
April 23, 2011, 08:54 PM
What's a good round/load for the 870 used for HD?

ClydeFrog
April 23, 2011, 10:06 PM
This is slightly off the posted topic but as for home defense 12ga loads, I'd buy one of the major brands that has a tactical or LE duty shell.
A few have come out in the last 5 to 10 years from Hornady, Federal, Winchester & Remington.
I'd use the 00 12ga but I've seen a few "exotic" shotgun loads here; www.Deltaforce.com . NOTE: some of these 12ga shotgun loads may not be legal see the details before buying.

guitars and guns
April 23, 2011, 10:53 PM
I am digging that pistol grip mossberg. :cool:

Dave McC
April 23, 2011, 11:12 PM
Pistol grip only shotguns are way better in the movies than in real life. Either the 870 or 500,equipped with a real stock, is a great choice IF you learn it.

Even a Mexican Stratocaster will sound great in the hands of a Clapton. It's up to you to run the gun.......

guitars and guns
April 23, 2011, 11:18 PM
Guitar talk! I like it!

As we say in the guitar world, tone is in the fingers and I'm sure similar holds true in the gun world as well.:p

Dave McC
April 23, 2011, 11:27 PM
It does....

BTW, there's a Gibson Les Paul Studio within my reach. Not as great an ax as the old 58 ES335 I used to use, but for just here in the house it'll do.

Same with shotguns. Get a decent one, and build your chops....

mnero
April 24, 2011, 12:00 AM
Nathaniel said "Then after you have become familiar with it come back on here and ask what type of shells to use for HD, I like to see the sparks fly when that one comes up." Now why would ya wanna start all that trouble;):D

I keep a 20 gauge sXs with a butt strap that holds 5 shells in a chair next to by bed. It is loaded with one round of bird shot, then a slug. All the rounds in the strap are slugs. The semi-auto or pump is a better choice for defense or anything else you are doing, outside of CAS, but I am a double barrel man and they are less complex(easier to use and a bit more reliable).

ClydeFrog
April 24, 2011, 12:22 AM
I agree with Dave M's post.
A Knoxx spec ops stock or the pistol grip/shoulder model from Speedfeed would do better.
Speedfeed markets a shotgun stock with extra rounds & a pistol grip.
See www.Blackhawk.com or www.Natchezss.com .
Sure-fire had a foregrip with a built in white light that was popular with SWAT & narcotics units. It's bright & can assist you in low light or night time home protection uses.
Im not sure if it's still for sale but it could be useful too.
Clyde

Old Grump
April 24, 2011, 12:54 PM
Ok, I am looking to purchase a shotgun for home defense. I'm looking for something in the sub $300 category. I am thinking 12 or 20 ga. Something I could have at the house for HD but also take out every once in a while and have some fun wasting a few shells. No single right answer, I have a Mossberg and a Winchester both loaded one pump the other semi-auto. one 12 gauge the other 20 gauge leaning against the wall by my bedroom door both available, if needed. Bad guy really won't care what the bore is, he will only see a hole big enough to drive a semi-truck into. He won't care what the action is only what comes out of the barrel and how much it is going to hurt.

For your multi-purpose use, (both of mine double as deer and turkey guns besides HD), I would stick with a straight stock moderate length barrel. magnum loads not required for in house distances so 2 3/4" shells of whatever slug or shot you decide on will be more than sufficient. More important is stock fit of the gun to you. You don't want to be trying to wrestle a to long stock into position at dark thirty at night and then take a beating because you are not wearing a shooting jacket when y9u get out of bed. It's also another reason you don't need magnum class shells in your gun.

Find a gun fun to shoot that you can hit your intended target with. If its fun you are more likely to take it out and play with it more often. The more you play with it the more familiar you get with the gun. This helps more than you can imagine when things go bump in the dark and your adrenaline starts pumping by the gallon. This is why I do not recommend a particular make or model or even gauge. What works for me may be completely wrong for you or your neighbor or your wife. Get what feels right for you.

Best bet if you don't have a shooting buddy with a variety of shotguns to play around with is to go to a local skeet/trap range and talk to the old timers there. Most like to talk about guns for some strange reason and if you are serious and respectful some will let you try what they have. I do not recommend a trap gun for HD but I bet you will find these guys are hunters, ex military, some will be cops. They will all have different degrees of experience which will do you a lot of good.

Webleymkv
April 24, 2011, 12:55 PM
A decent pump shotgun would serve you well enough. A Remington 870 Express or Mossberg 500 seem to be the most popular choices and would be my first choices if they could be found within your budget (my personal HD shotgun is a Remington 870 Express Magnum with a 20" smoothbore slug barrel that I bought very lightly used for $150), but I wouldn't feel bad about a NEF Pardner Pump or Maverick 88 either.

The only caveat I would include in the above advice is that I would look for a gun with a 20" barrel or shorter since longer barrels are somewhat unwieldly inside a house or apartment. You can frequently find good deals on guns with 28" field barrels on the used racks or the shelves of pawn shops and they may be worthy of consideration if you're mechanically inclined enough to shorten them.

As far as ammunition goes, I personally like either very coarse birdshot (i.e. BB or larger) or fine buckshot (#1 or smaller). My 12ga loading of choice is Remington 3" #4 Buck.

BrittB
April 24, 2011, 01:09 PM
Or you could find an old JC Higgins 12ga for cheap and turn it into your HD gun and buy an under $300 hunting/ skeet 12ga later on. I've seen old JC Higgins shotguns for as low as $75.

solidgun
April 24, 2011, 10:21 PM
As others have said, 870 Express is probably the most cost effective solution for shotgun home defense with reliable track record and options for aftermarket.

for something you won't shoot very often to understand its reliability, you should find the popular solution.

C0untZer0
April 25, 2011, 12:03 AM
C'mon now doesn't this KSG look tempting? You can save up another 600 or so beans and wait a few months... How can you possiblly pass this baby up?

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69656&stc=1&d=1303756338

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69647&stc=1&d=1303707798

http://www.keltecweapons.com/news/preview-kel-tec-shotgun-ksg/

AND here is an article about SG home defense ammo. Old school conventional wisdom was 00 Buck unless you're worried about over-penetration in which case use #4. But there is a convincing argument from Randy Wakeman here for #1 and #0 Buck:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/home_defense_shotgun_ammo.htm

Here is some interesting info on shotgun wounds at various distances:

http://firearmsid.com/A_distshotpatt.htm

Some pictorials of shot patterns at more than HD range with different chokes and ammo:

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot45.htm

Also some pattern testing at 7 yards and 15 yards. I don’t know what the layout in your house is like but typical HD distances at 15 – 20 feet, hallways / stairways may vary. In my old house the distance from the formal living room to the family room (where all the home electronics were) was about 35’. It used to be that you could expect buckshot pattern to open up approximately one inch for every yard away from the muzzle. When it exits the muzzle it's almost one inch in diameter. So at 10 feet it might be a 3 1/2" to 4" inch pattern. But cup / no cup, and different performance loads (flight control) change that.

So anyway these links should give you some idea of what your shot pattern would be. When you get your KSG you’ll have to shoot some patterns with it to see (he he he).


http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=191407&start=0

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=239195

http://www.myscienceproject.org/shooting.html

C0untZer0
April 25, 2011, 01:54 AM
I'm surprised that that Delta force shop even sells "The 12 Gauge Boundary Security System." There have already been many cases involving similar setups (like wiring a shotgun to the door to shoot an intruder), and the people who have rigged these things up have lost in court.


Kato v Briney

The primary issue was whether an owner could protect personal property in an unoccupied boarded-up farmhouse against trespassers and thieves by a spring gun capable of inflicting death or serious injury. The court affirmed, holding that the law did not permit spring guns to be used in such instances.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081118193958AADwsKn

I'm sure we already all know this, I was just surprised that they sell such a contraption.

guitars and guns
April 25, 2011, 08:27 AM
It does....

BTW, there's a Gibson Les Paul Studio within my reach. Not as great an ax as the old 58 ES335 I used to use, but for just here in the house it'll do.

Same with shotguns. Get a decent one, and build your chops....


I am a Gibson man myself. :D

I own a '08 Les Paul Studio, '74 Les Paul Custom and a '98 Flying V. Also have a tele thrown in for good measure.

Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions. After thinking about it, I would like something I could go shoot skeet with every once in a while too, so I guess a standard SG rather than a tactical one would be a better choice for that.

Dave McC
April 25, 2011, 03:14 PM
In part. I played that ES335 so well because I played it so much. I had the fingerboard replaced and it was refretted twice.

That's applicable here. That fine Gibson was bone stock, but it sang in my hands.

A bone stock shotgun can do the same. Ever play a great solo that just seemed to come out without much thought? It's like that, and like that, only happens after a good bit of work.

Shotgunning is loud Zen. It takes work to happen, and then it just happens.

So, go get a GP shotgun and shoot the heck out of it. Call it Woodshedding if you wish. Then, if something hinky your way comes, you're prepared and you've had a good time getting there....

mrsmith1a
April 25, 2011, 05:11 PM
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TheKlawMan
April 26, 2011, 02:52 AM
Guys like Dave McC and others have spent a lot of time trying to dispell the myth that shotguns are pray and spray firearms , and what do we hear from the purveyours of The Back-Up but,"The shotgun provides a wide spray."

mnero
April 26, 2011, 04:54 PM
People actually do that, rig a shot gun to go of if you come through the door, WOW! I saw Dale Gribble do that on "King of the Hill", but that was a cartoon:D

Mr.357Sig
April 26, 2011, 05:10 PM
It's hard to beat the Remington 870. And the Ithaca M37 Defense Gun is awesome too. I've got a Remington tactical and will be adding an Ithaca real soon - the 8-shot wood stock model.

mrsmith1a
May 9, 2011, 01:58 PM
Ok, I am looking to purchase a shotgun for home defense. I'm looking for something in the sub $300 category. I am thinking 12 or 20 ga. Something I could have at the house for HD but also take out every once in a while and have some fun wasting a few shells.

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