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softtails
April 21, 2011, 05:58 AM
Have recently acquired a Freddy Williams 12g shotgun approx 1890 build, side by side, hammerless in very good condition, can anyone give me an indication of its value ?

johnbt
April 21, 2011, 09:29 AM
Does it really say Freddy?

Here's a thread on Frederick Williams

www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=174851&page=1&fpart=1&PHPSESSID=94ab857d8246205d2df5139eebe3f8f5

RJay
April 21, 2011, 10:34 AM
As posted Fred Williams was a English gunmaker, but was Freddy?? I find it very unlikely that a proper English gun maker would sign his work with a nick name,especially an American nick name.. Does your shotguns have British proof markings or Belgium?

Scorch
April 21, 2011, 12:42 PM
I would bet that if you search the bottom of the breech, water table, and the underlug, you will either find Belgian proofs or no proofs at all. Many Belgian and American-made shotguns were sold as private-labeled guns to be sold through hardware stores and mail order, and were named to sound just like the famous brand names. I once handled a Belgian shotgun that was marked Purdy (as opposed to Purdey, the high-dollar British firearms maker).

4V50 Gary
April 22, 2011, 10:11 PM
My first thought is that someone is playing a joke. Frederick William was the king in Prussia. People who have others folks wipe their royal butts generally aren't gunmakers.