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loose_holster_dan
April 7, 2011, 07:28 AM
I noticed the other day that someone had started a thread about firing a gun from a motorcycle. It has since been removed, and I believe it was meant as a joke, but has anyone seriously tried firing a handgun from a moving vehicle? Not while driving, obviously, but while a passenger. It's no easy task. Do any of the pros out there have any suggestions as to techniques? I know this is a skill I will probably never need, but it's still a lot of fun to try when my buddies and I go shooting out in the country. So far we have tried from an ATV and my truck, but haven't been very accurate.

kraigwy
April 7, 2011, 08:38 AM
Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting by Ed McGivern has a section on shooting from running boards I found interesting.

Then there is a Cowboy Action shooting event -Mounted Action Shooting or shooting from horses (my wife and grandaughter are into this).

A few years ago Zak Smith put on a Multi Gun match at Gurnesy WY where we shoot from a HUMV, that was fun.

In my younger years I use to shoot jackrabits on a dirt bike.

Fun yes, practical for SD no.

http://photos.imageevent.com/kraigwy/multigunmatch/websize/hummer%201.jpg

MLeake
April 7, 2011, 08:47 AM
... and some bodyguard type training schools, I don't know of anybody who teaches this, and can't think of anybody who should devote much time to practicing it.

kraigwy
April 7, 2011, 08:56 AM
can't think of anybody who should devote much time to practicing it.

Because its fun, not all shooting and training is for self defense, a whole lot of people (my self included) shoot for fun and pleasure. In fact that is my primary reason for owning guns.

It's a sport like gulf (yuk), bowling, tennis, etc etc.

jglsprings
April 7, 2011, 09:01 AM
Then there is a Cowboy Action shooting event -Mounted Action Shooting or shooting from horses

I wish I had the video of my horse making a instant left turn when I touched off my pistol next to her head. I, on the other hand, continued forward for another fifteen to twenty feet.

Those Rugers will work even when packed with arena sand.

P.S.

I guess this doesn't qualify as the OP's "moving vehicle".

bobandshawn
April 7, 2011, 09:37 AM
Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch said it best "Shoot, or drive...not both".

~Bob

kraigwy
April 7, 2011, 09:51 AM
Maybe Clint Smith likes different shooting games then I do. Not all shooting sports is about self defense.

Sporter Rim fire matches are big around here, but not a good training venue for self defense, same with CMP GSM Vintage Military Rifle Games.

Different strokes.

Along the same lines, I think a golf course is a waste of a good rifle range.

MLeake
April 7, 2011, 10:52 AM
... I understand the concept of shooting for fun. Let me qualify my previous statement:

Courses that teach shooting from vehicles tend to have a lot of risk assessment done during course design. Steps are taken to ensure safe backstops; minimize chances of injury to others in the vehicle; compensate for driver distraction; etc. Just figure the potential for ejected brass to hit the driver in the face, if the shooter is in the passenger compartment, for example.

So, the thought of Bubba and Billy Bob just winging it on a random back road and saying, "Hey y'all, check this out!" is just a bit worrisome.

g.willikers
April 7, 2011, 02:20 PM
Here's some fun, shooting from the back of a truck:
Their hits go up when the truck stops moving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTKtEawcrmY

Sleuth
April 13, 2011, 04:26 PM
You need to take the next step:

I recall seeing an ad (perhaps in Small Arms Review) for a chance to shoot from a chopper! No, not a Harley, I think they used a Jetstar. Just think, there you are, 150 feet above the ground at 100 Knots, trying to hit a target!

Yeeee Haw!

loose_holster_dan
April 13, 2011, 04:42 PM
Didn't they do that on top sniper?

M4BGRINGO
April 13, 2011, 06:28 PM
Quote:
... and some bodyguard type training schools, I don't know of anybody who teaches this, and can't think of anybody who should devote much time to practicing it.

Not sure if this is how you quote, but anyway. I do know a company that teaches this, among other things. When they do their stuff here they use paintball guns, not real weapons. I have watched them do this, looks fun but it is dangerous, they are hanging out of the windows in moving, and manuvering vehicles.

Jeremiah/Az
April 13, 2011, 07:57 PM
It is illegal to shoot from a vehicle in Az. moving or not.

Sport45
April 13, 2011, 08:24 PM
A friend of mine a good while back had been in the military. He described an exercise they did shooting a machine gun that was mounted in a jeep. He said that even with tracers it was incredibly difficult to hit anything while the jeep (not Humvee) was moving.

I don't know if having the gun mounted to the vehicle helps or hurts, but it sounded like fun anyway.

kraigwy
April 13, 2011, 08:36 PM
I don't know if having the gun mounted to the vehicle helps or hurts,

I've done both, MGs and rifles, its easier with a rifle, you can roll with the movement. You're right it is fun.

Out side of SE Asia I've done firing from a helichopter in the Guard. I always volenteered to be the range officer. They fired '60s over the mud flats and brass was considered un-recoverable. I'd hang out on the skids with a ruck sack catching brass. My marksmanship unit was always short of turn in brass, I cleared a lot of it that way.

But its true, out side of the military there is no practical use of shooting from a vehcile but it is a heck of a lot of fun.

loose_holster_dan
April 13, 2011, 09:18 PM
Kraig hit it on the head. I'm not doing it out of any practical need. Its just a whole lot of fun.

mnero
April 13, 2011, 09:54 PM
You no what worries me; are classless statements like "bubba and billybob" I am bubba; I am billybob and I am damn offened by your thoughtless comment!

As for shooting from the bk off a pick up; sounds like fun. Shooting from the passenger seat of a car; sounds like danger.

MLeake
April 13, 2011, 10:05 PM
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mnero
April 13, 2011, 10:13 PM
I don't trust the police and they are dangerous; they would be useless if they weren't, but I do respect them. I respect the courage and commitment it takes to accept such a responsibility. It seems you have little respect for "bubba and billybob" Too bad, my buddy named Bubba is a really interesting fella, a medic who spends much of his time reading military history books; he doesn't own a gun and drives a toyota passenger car. Don't know any Billybob's though.

booker_t
April 13, 2011, 10:29 PM
Not too long ago, shooting while riding horseback was a basic skill for many in the military.

Then in the 1920s, shooting from the running board with bangers, Tommys, and shorts became quite popular, especially in Chicago.

Since then, all I can think of are some hoodlums with AKs or Mac-10s in various 80s GM vehicles.

mnero
April 13, 2011, 10:38 PM
didn't they used to have gunners on war planes train first by shooting skeet, then by firing from the bk of some type of truck while in a turret?

Zak Smith
April 14, 2011, 02:07 AM
I recommend getting your stationary skills down pat and then a lot of practice
http://demigodllc.com/photo/CGMG-2006.11/smaller/D100_3807_img_c.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/photo/CGMG-2006.11/?small=D100_3807_img_c.jpg)

Sleuth
April 14, 2011, 12:39 PM
Jeremiah/AZ, a minor correction to your comment:
In AZ it is illegal to hunt from a vehicle. You may target shoot from a vehicle, moving or not.

It's a common error, just like the prohibition against hunting within 1/4 of a occupied dwelling. It is perfectly legal in AZ to shoot (with the residents' consent) within that distance.

markj
April 14, 2011, 02:17 PM
How would shooting from a moving vehicle fall under self defense?

You are moving, hopefully away from the threat.

I heard a guy tell another about shooting a running deer from the back of a truck while driving thru a field. I didnt belive him but to even think of this....

old bear
April 14, 2011, 03:05 PM
I wish I had the video of my horse making a instant left turn when I touched off my pistol next to her head. I, on the other hand, continued forward for another fifteen to twenty feet.

Those Rugers will work even when packed with arena sand.

Thanks you made my day. :D:D

spacecoast
April 14, 2011, 03:17 PM
Watch Top Shot next week, they will be shooting from a moving Jeep, as well as while being lowered from a 165 foot tower on a line.

WW2
April 14, 2011, 05:57 PM
How would shooting from a moving vehicle fall under self defense?

Trying to excape from a car-jacking where the BG is hanging on and armed :eek:

Double Naught Spy
April 14, 2011, 06:07 PM
How would shooting from a moving vehicle fall under self defense?
Trying to excape from a car-jacking where the BG is hanging on and armed

Right. That is a very good example of one way.

Contrary to many popular beliefs, you can shoot another person in the back in self defense, shoot them at over 21 feet or even 200 feet in self defense, and you can shoot another person in self defense from a moving vehicle.

All these things do not necessarily negate the bad person's intent, opportunity, and ability to do harm to you or a loved one, or even a stranger you know to be being crimiinally attacked in a manner you believe will cause significant bodily harm or death. If the bad person still has intent, opportunity, and ability, such as the bad person has a gun and is shooting at you, then according to many/most state laws you can defend yourself with lethal force. That does not mean it is a good idea or that it is the best idea, only that the legal criteria have likely been met (depending on your jurisdiction).

Maybe you wish to shoot a person who is also in other moving vehicle chasing you?

freenokia
April 14, 2011, 10:23 PM
Didn't they do that on top sniper?

Talking about when they shot from the helicopter with tracers -->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRjl6Ex4EFE&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_962284

Dr. Strangelove
April 14, 2011, 10:31 PM
How would shooting from a moving vehicle fall under self defense?

You are moving, hopefully away from the threat.

I heard a guy tell another about shooting a running deer from the back of a truck while driving thru a field. I didnt belive him but to even think of this....

I about the self defense part, however, it's their dime and they want to train that way, let'em. Just be sure you know the shoot/don't laws in the area where you plan to do this.

As far as the deer, here in GA, you can get a crop depredation permit and kill deer just about any way you want. Silencers, night scopes, hell, probably 155mm artillery or claymores if you can get a permit for it...

markj
April 15, 2011, 03:37 PM
Trying to excape from a car-jacking where the BG is hanging on and armed


So a guy is armed and trying to get into the car? or is hanging onto the car while you are driving away?

Most car jacks here are you stop at the lite or leave the car running, the guy jumps in gun out and tells you to drive, so you would try to get out and shoot the guy?

I just dont see it.

In the defensive driving course I took in 81 there was no gun play only focus on driving and use the skills to get away. I belive frontsight teaches a course similiar to this.



Contrary to many popular beliefs, you can shoot another person in the back in self defense, shoot them at over 21 feet or even 200 feet in self defense, and you can shoot another person in self defense from a moving vehicle.

Well you go ahead, if he is turned away from me that is leaving and how could he be a threat?

200 feet? rifle for SD and CCW? I wouldnt try this in any state cept texas.

from a moving vehicle? like a bank robber leaving a bank you are driving by and shoot the guy? Again I wouldnt try it here.


Do you write movie scripts too?

Sleuth
April 15, 2011, 04:12 PM
Ah, if the outlaw is hanging on, then he/she/it is stationary relative to you in the car.

I certainly have no objection to folks learning how to do this, but the likelihood of ever needing this is someplace far to the right of the decimal point.

As to shooting someone in the back, this has come up where the outlaw is starting to turn away, or reacting to a prior hit (bending over, starting to spin) when hit again.

And rifles have a place in self defense, depending on ... your place (pun intended). I live way out in the country. Someone could decide rather than risk a home invasion, they will just snipe me from a distance, and then move in. I am prepared to shoot back - and yes, it has happened in the outback.

markj
April 15, 2011, 04:26 PM
I live way out in the country. Someone could decide rather than risk a home invasion, they will just snipe me from a distance, and then move in. I am prepared to shoot back - and yes, it has happened in the outback.


I live out in the country too, but I never thought someone would snipe me :) I do keep a rifle out in the barn for varmints and a 45 in the barn coat I wear out to chore. but why would any bad guy robber dude have arifle and know how to use it long distance?


Guess I just dont have the imagination required to think up this stuff or maybe just too old and out of it as I dont watch tv or belive any form of media.

Sleuth
April 15, 2011, 04:44 PM
Markj, I introduced right around 1,000 people to the Federal Criminal Justice system. 999 of them pled guilty or were found guilty in court. Some of them would like to get even for the 3 to 10 years they spent as guests of the U.S. Government, due to their illegal acts and my catching them. Funny how people remember things like that.

It's no imagination, it is a real potential for me. Last month I finally got clear of an incident where I arrested the bad guy in 1971 !

And as the narcoterrorists from Mexico move further into Arizona, we can expect more ranch takeovers like those in Mexico.

markj
April 18, 2011, 04:40 PM
I introduced right around 1,000 people to the Federal Criminal Justice system

Well thats a good start :) my Uncle was a county mounty for over 30 years he broke up a large hells angels drug ring late 60s. He was always ready for em but they never showed. Todays bad guys are different I think.

Dont have the same worries so I can see why border folks would train this way. Too bad too, should be a better way to handle these guys.