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jhernar-15
March 27, 2011, 05:57 PM
Hey guys I just picked up a Remington 870 express and would like to extend the mag and im thinking about a pistol grip or maybe a folding stock. Where could I get these upgrades for a good price? and What do you guys recommend in regards to pistol grip or folding stock for HD ? :confused:

Dfariswheel
March 27, 2011, 07:54 PM
Most people who try a pistol grip shotgun soon go to a full stock when they find out how much recoil there is and how hard it is to hit anything.

Contrary to Hollywood movies, you do have to aim a shotgun, even though it's actually pointed more than using actual sights.
Since a shotgun "cloud" of shot opens up about one inch per yard from the muzzle, in the typical house, you're talking about a circle of shot about 6 inches or so in diameter.
You don't just hold the gun low and point in the general direction or you'll actually miss completely.
Using a pistol grip shotgun is awkward because it's basically a giant two-hand pistol.
You can't aim it like a pistol, and there's no stock to use it like a standard shotgun.
Where the pistol grip shotgun is useful is as a "door buster" for SWAT use or for use by bodyguards from inside a vehicle.

Folding stocks are better these days because the designs are better. The old types like the Remington factory top-folding steel stock was horrible for pounding you with recoil.
A good source for stocks and other shotgun accessories is Brownell's.

http://www.brownells.com/default.aspx

Dave McC
March 27, 2011, 07:59 PM
It will do more good to upgrade the 870 owner.

Get the stock fitting you and buy lots of ammo. Use it up and repeat.

Just about ANY shotgun is quite effective when handled by someone with a truckload of empty hulls in his/her wake.

After the hulls make a pile taller than the buttstock, you will be in a better place to decide what will aid placing that shot load where you want it and what merely removes cash from your wallet with a soft, sucking sound....

jmr40
March 27, 2011, 09:45 PM
The only upgrade you really need is a lot of ammo. Everything else is fluff designed to look cool.

scorpion_tyr
March 27, 2011, 10:17 PM
Mag tube extension... yeah, got one on each of mine, so go for it.

The only other thing you need is ammo, targets, and practice. After 1,000 rounds then try a pistol grip and/or folding stock. Shoot 250 rounds with that on there, just do it within 30 days and keep your reciept.

BG's don't care how scary or tacticool you look.

jhernar-15
March 27, 2011, 10:23 PM
im glad i asked for ideas becuase you all are right now that i think of it. i do want the mag extension tube i think that could come in handy. do any of you know where i can get a good one for a good price?

VUPDblue
March 27, 2011, 10:51 PM
A great place for shotgun accessories is tacticalshotgunner.com. They are a shop that's local to me and great, knowledgeable folks who can take care of your shotgun needs. For the extension, look at Choate or Nordic.

The folks above who have suggested running the heck out of your shotgun are spot-on.
I prefer a full-length stock with pistol grip myself. As for other accessories, I like a saddle shell carrier, extended magazine and a light. I will advise that, whatever you put on there, make sure it is a quality part that is installed correctly. Almost every time I see a shotgun fail in a class, it is due to either a crappy aftermarket part or one that was installed poorly.

scorpion_tyr
March 27, 2011, 11:10 PM
Been too long since I've bought one to tell you, just make sure the tube extension comes with the barrel clamp. And figure out which method of removing the bumps in the magazine tube work best for you. Taking a dremel tool to the inside worked pretty good for me.

Bamashooter
March 28, 2011, 12:59 AM
I have an 870 Express Super Mag. I have had it for about 13yrs. If I was gonna do any upgrades to it I would go with the mag extention and maybe a burris speed bead sight. Other than that I dont think they need anything else except a good trigger man.

jackblack73
March 28, 2011, 05:59 AM
For me, a Hogue short LOP stock was a necessity. It completely changed my shotgun for me.

7jinxed7
March 28, 2011, 07:22 AM
Accessories are just going to make it heavier but no more effective for the most part. Some people do like a little shorter stock on them depending on your size.

[QUOTE]For me, a Hogue short LOP stock was a necessity. It completely changed my shotgun for me./QUOTE]

I changed mine for the same reason. I could not shoulder mine with such a long stock quickly. Although I looked at one of the newer digi-camo versions and it seemed to be much better. I don't know if they shortened the newer versions or not but their was a noticeable difference.

Scattergun Bob
March 28, 2011, 10:59 PM
As Dave is renowned for saying "wear marks" are the critical accessory for any shotgun.

In my life as a Fight Scattergun guy I have filled several file cabinet drawers on stuff that looked good but "didn't get it done". After a large expenditure of cash I have come to this one basic rule. I only put things on scatterguns that ABSOLUTLY make the gun easier for me to shoot, I avoid things that make the gun heavier or drastically change it's balance.

If your LOP is long or you just have to have a pistol grip full stock, you can check out SPEED-FEED stocks, they have worked well for me.

Good Luck & Be Safe

Nemsis
March 28, 2011, 11:30 PM
One upgrade I highly recomend is an XS Big dot front sight
Also get rid of the stock plastic follower

VUPDblue
March 29, 2011, 07:46 AM
The SpeedFeed pistol-grip stocks are great. That's the stock I finally discovered worked well for me in the incarnation of its short LOP version. In my experience as a shotgun guy, I have gone through a few accessories myself. The ones that I feel I "need" on my gun are: an extended mag, a sling, a shell carrier and a light. I have also opted for an oversized safety and a non-factory front bead sight (Fiber Optic).

Let me see if I can come up with a pic....

VUPDblue
March 29, 2011, 12:46 PM
My 870. Mesa 6-round shell saddle, SpeedFeed Short LOP PG stock, TruGlo TFO Shotgun sight, TLR-1 light, Choate mag extension, Hogue forend. This gun started life as an early '80s Wingmaster, the finish is Cerekote.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s104/vupdblue/IMG00345-20110329-0854.jpg

oneounceload
March 29, 2011, 12:56 PM
That sure seems to be a LOT of extra weight at the muzzle end........that could make swinging it on target more difficult

VUPDblue
March 29, 2011, 02:30 PM
I have ape arms :p Seriously, it's not much weight at all. The TLR attached weighs less than a SureFire (which I loathe) and the sight is only an ounce or so.

I've been known to shoot this gun in speed shotgun matches and local steel matches. Last summer I ran it at my club's steel match and I finished in first place overall....out of 80 shooters of mostly pistols...:cool:

To get to the point I am at with the accessories the way they are, I have created quite the pile-o-hulls....:D

oneounceload
March 29, 2011, 02:47 PM
If it works for you and you have demonstrated to yourself (form what you stated) that it handles easily for you, that is great!...Sometimes, however, we see someone come on here and ask about all the gizmos, only to have them realize that there can be a lot of weight, especially at the muzzle, that makes swinging the gun easily and on target difficult. Glad that isn't the case for you.!

VUPDblue
March 29, 2011, 03:56 PM
I agree completely. Adding gizmos just for looks can be counter productive, especially for someone new to the platform. My shotgun is configured the way it is so that it can perform a specific job, and it does that well. I have proven to myself after many thousands of hulls that my system works for ME. I realize that it may not work for the next guy in line, but that is not the point here. I've got two shotgun classes coming up in the next few months and I'm really looking forward to them. Anyone in the Indy area who is looking for a defensive shotgun class should PM me and I'll get you details of what (and who) we have coming down.

Archametes
March 29, 2011, 07:26 PM
Here's my NEF 870 clone. Has a Tactical stock from Valhalla Armory on it, came with the front rail and foregrip, but i not sure i like the foregrip.... Just incase you wanted an adjustable stock ($87.00 shipped for the package set)

*this is not the "Recoil Reducing" stock. I just needed a little shorter LOP for more comfortable manuvering. also allows for when my son is older he can still use it by adjusting the stock....

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u320/archametes/100_0338.jpg

Just figured i'd post it up so you can have some idea's of what's available. for these shotguns there is a TON of stuff.

Edward429451
March 29, 2011, 07:53 PM
My 870 wears a +1 tube, 6 rnd side saddle, over size safety button, sling, Blackhawk cheek pad/shell carrier.

The oversize safety is good because it lets you dis-engage the safety without shifting your grip. The Blackhawk pouch I bought for the 5 rnd shell carrier but like the cheek pad even more. It sure makes shooting heavy loads and slugs much more pleasant on the cheek.

bamaranger
March 30, 2011, 11:53 AM
Shotguns, especially the 870, are pretty modular and the accessory market is broad. I try and keep it to a minimum but not everybody thinks that way.
(same with M4 carbines too!!)

A mag extension for a fighting gun is not a bad idea, provided reliability is not sacrificed. We have one 870 at work that has been a real trouble maker in this regard, a combination of incorrect installation, and operator ignorance. I like the idea of 6/7+1 as opposed to 4+1 in a gun (any gun) that my life might depend on. You wouldn't select a 4+1 hand gun for SD would you? (snub .38 excluded). Seems like I have read that the 870 Express needs some tube modification to take an extension and you'd better check some more on that.

I don't care for the Sidesaddle ammo carrier. It installs on the receiver right where I want to put my hand for informal or "trail" carry. Plus, I have seen the screws that attatch them to tight and bind the trigger group, or strip out
and allow the plate to become loose. Finally, it widens the gun at an odd point that sometimes conflicts with vehicle racks.

I took the plastic clips from a stripped sidesaddle and screwed it onto a synthetic stock and it has made for a very durable and secure ammo butt cuff.

As far as stocks go, all my shotguns have conventional stocks. Reason is consistency. My hunting shotguns guns, and my issue LE/SD gun all feel and point the same. I experimented with a pistol gripped/full stocked 870 for a while. It did not carry well slung (as a turkey gun) and did not swing well for moving shots on game. It did seem to absorb recoil better, the hand placement "catches" the recoil, instead of running through the grasping fingers. And it seemed to be easier to hold "on target" for extended periods.
But the awkwardness and hard to carry features over weighed it for me.

The tiny factory bead needs an upgrade to something more visible, but durable. I have broken a lot of fiber optic bow sights, and I tend to baby my bow. A shotgun is like a hammer and will see a lot of use and hard use, the sights must be durable. Upgraded rifle sights Like Mepro's or Trijicon's are a good start, and the peep/post tactical rigs may be best.

I don't do entries, searches, or rope work or other tactical stuff, so a regular fore and aft sling works for me. Same with a light.

bamaranger
March 30, 2011, 11:58 AM
There are some internal upgrades that will much increase the function and reliability of your express model. I would much consider them before I started adding to many tacti-options.

Scattegun Bob can weigh in here. Carrier dog spring, machined extractor, HD/Police mag spring, sear spring HD. In fact, I'd do that before I did the stock.

SCBondsman
March 30, 2011, 12:17 PM
I like my BLACKHAWK! SPECOPS Knoxx recoil suppression tech, adjustable buttstock. Takes the "thump" outta some stout loads!

Try a 3" turkey load w- and w-o! Man...

My Benelli M1 Super 90 kicks like a mule w- turkey loads. I don't feel it shooting at a bird but patterning...

Tossed one in Moss 500 w- above mentioned buttstock. Absolutley amazing! Same thing for buck shot and SD/HD loads.