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sighd
March 25, 2011, 01:54 AM
Hey, I'm building my first AR-15 and am looking for help choosing the parts. My budget is about $1400. Also California legal.

Parts I currently have in person:
completely stripped DPMS lower receiver

Parts i have looked at to order (not yet ordered):

DPMS lower parts kit http://www.cheaperthandirt.com (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemDetail.aspx?sku=ARR-180)/ItemDetail.aspx?sku=ARR-522

AR-15 PRS Butt Stock Magpul Black Precision Adjustable Butt Stock http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemDetail.aspx?sku=ARR-180

Adams arms 1:7 16' piston upper w/ floating barrel/rails http://www.elitetacticalcomponents.com/adams-arms-5-56-tactical-16-piston-complete-upper-aa5-56tact.html

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Any input is appreciated. Im not sure if that buttstock is retractable? I am looking for a retractable stock. If you all know of equally capable parts for better prices, I'm all ears. Also, that adams arms upper seems to be out of stock everywhere, anyone know where I can order one in stock?

I think i also need to get a buffer tube/ spring and some sights. I'm not sure if the stock comes with a buffer tube/spring. If i need one any recommendations for that or iron sights (or plastic) are appreciated as well.

I'd like to order most of the parts from one site to avoid extra shipping costs, not sure if cheaper than dirt is the place to do it or not.

Thanks for any help.

Mobuck
March 25, 2011, 11:06 AM
I buy my parts from auctions on GunBroker. Some of my builds are under $500 total for a good performing rifle.

Silent Titan
March 25, 2011, 11:11 AM
the stock your looking at is adjustable but its mostly just the but plate extends. its more for target and bench shooting, you should look at the magpul UBR it you like that look.

sighd
March 25, 2011, 11:32 AM
Would it be difficult to get all my parts at once, to save shipping costs, from gunbroker auctions?

For the stock, yea I want a fully retractable one. Is there one you could recommend that also has the other adjustable features of this one? If not, fully retractable takes priority.

Mobuck
March 25, 2011, 09:24 PM
I have purchased multiple item from some sellers but it all depends on how the auctions are going. The shipping is always a factor in the final price. There are some sellers who are making it a business to buy parts in bulk and resell through the auctions so the potential is there to find several parts you need from one source.

SilentVectorX
March 25, 2011, 11:50 PM
Cali legal means you'll need either a Bullet Button to make it a non-detachible magazine; or a pistol grip "fin" to make it non-pistolgrip, with collapsible stock being out of the question (unless you'd like that over a detachable magazine or the PG?).

Kydex PG fin by Solar Tactical:
http://www.parallaxtactical.com/store/solar-tactical-ar-15-a2-kydex-grip-wrap-403.html

You could use any standard M4-style collapsible stock, but make sure you replace the adjustment bolt with a threaded one so that it requires a 'tool' to adjust. I don't know of any collapsible stock that also offers a secondary precision LOP adjustment. Command Arms makes a cool M4 collapsible stock with an adjustable cheek piece though.

My favorite stock is the MagPul UBR. I think you can mod it to be non-collapsible. It comes with it's own buffer tube assembly, which is a plus.

Piston-op really isn't that big of a deal. Personally with your kind of budget I'd probably go for a Bravo Company (BCM) upper. Remember you're not allowed a Flash Hider.

Blackops_2
March 26, 2011, 12:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA_Vkb2UB1w

Building a lower ^ very good video IMO.

You will also need a rifle length buffer tube for that PRS stock. It is retractable.

www.bravocompanyusa.com

zippy13
March 26, 2011, 12:55 AM
Greetings sighd, and welcome aboard.

If you're like many of us, you'll find the typical AR pistol grip to trigger configuration is for very small hands. To compliment your Magpul stock, you may wish to consider one of their adjustable grip systems.

sighd
March 26, 2011, 12:21 PM
thanks for the input everyone. reguarding not using anything that hides a flash, which devices at the end of a barrel do actually hide the flash? all of them? if so does this premade upper like the one i suggest go against cali laws?

Ridge_Runner_5
March 26, 2011, 09:29 PM
I would go with a bullet button mag catch. Simply because I do believe that allows you to then have a flash hider and/or collapsible stock like a Magpul MOE or CTR.

The bullet button just simply means you need to use the tip of a bullet to push it in to release the mag.

sighd
March 27, 2011, 04:47 AM
Can anyone show me where to find out exactly what the california limitations are? So far im confused if i can have an ar15 with a bullet button + collapsable stock + muzzle device, or just bullet button and one or the other?

sailskidrive
March 27, 2011, 07:20 AM
Since this is your first build you may want to consider buying a parts kit from Model one or DELTON. Otherwise you may find it frustrating to discover that you forgot something, or ordered the wrong buffer tube (commercial vs mil spec), or the wrong buffer itself, or accidentally purchased a flash hider, etc. The other option is to buy a complete lower set up for the goofy California laws and a complete upper from POF etc.

In my opinion, the trigger on an AR is what really makes the gun.

Sail

lowracer
March 27, 2011, 09:53 AM
Can anyone show me where to find out exactly what the california limitations are? So far im confused if i can have an ar15 with a bullet button + collapsable stock + muzzle device, or just bullet button and one or the other?

You really need to sign up with calguns.net. The advice you're getting on this thread so far is not complete and some of it is false.

Calguns has produced a flowchart that will take you through the legalities of what you can have and what you can't:

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Basically it breaks down like this:

There are three ways to have an AR-15 in California. The second two ways require your receiver to be an "off-list" lower or "OLL." Check the Calguns Assault Weapon ID flowchart for the list (CA PC 12276).

1. Registered Assault Weapon - You owned it before a certain long-ago date and you registered it with the state before the deadline for registration. No new registrations are being accepted, so if you don't already have one of these, you can't get one now. You can have all the evil features you like, and you can use legally-owned large capacity magazines in your rifle. AKA "RAW," "Free State Rifle."

2. Fixed Magazine Rifle - (CA PC 12276.1(a)(1)) You have all the evil features you want, your rifle looks just like any free-state rifle. But you can only have 10 rounds in the magazine (CA PC 12276(a)(2)), not one round more, and that magazine has to be locked in. You'll need a pointy tool (not a finger) to remove it, because the normal magazine release is covered or blocked. AKA "BB Rifle," "Bullet Button Rifle," "Mag Locked Rifle."

3. Detachable Magazine Rifle - (CA PC 12276.1(a)(1)) You have removed all evil features, so you can use your legally-owned high-capacity magazines (or drums) and you can drop the mag with a finger press. AKA "Featureless Rifle."

The "Evil" Features
(CA PC 12276.1(a)(1)(A-F))

* Pistol Grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
* Thumbhole Stock.
* Folding or Telescoping Stock.
* Grenade Launcher or Flare Launcher.
* Flash Suppressor.
* Forward Pistol Grip.


There are several products available to address the pistol grip issue. The kydex fin is but one. Here's another one that my company manufactures, the Hammerhead grip. It's the only non-pistol grip option that lets you wrap your hand around the gun:

http://www.exilemachine.com/images/IMG_9812_C.JPG

-Mark
President/CEO
Exile Machine LLC
www.exilemachine.com

dlb435
March 27, 2011, 02:29 PM
Sound like it would just be easier to move to Arizona.

sighd
March 28, 2011, 05:59 PM
Thanks everyone for the help.

Here's the parts I have in mind now:

Currently have:
DPMS stripped lower

Potential orders:
Addax Advanced Tactical AR Carbine Gas Piston Upper - Addax Inc (http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1660&idcategory=137)
DPMS FIREARMS LLC : AR-15 LOWER RECEIVER PARTS KIT - World's Largest Supplier of Firearm Accessories, Gun Parts and Gunsmithing Tools - BROWNELLS (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=13040/pid=24955/Product/Complete_Receiver_Parts_Kit)
MAGPUL : AR-15/M16 ACS™ BUTTSTOCK - World's Largest Supplier of Firearm Accessories, Gun Parts and Gunsmithing Tools - BROWNELLS (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=56210/pid=27553/Product/Mil_Spec_ACS_Buttstock__Black)
BROWNELLS : CAR-15/M4 FLIP-UP TACTICAL SIGHT SETS - World's Largest Supplier of Firearm Accessories, Gun Parts and Gunsmithing Tools - BROWNELLS (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=51856/pid=41781/Product/Front_Std_Rear_Sight_Set)
BROWNELLS : AR-15/M16 STOCK COMPLETION KITS - World's Largest Supplier of Firearm Accessories, Gun Parts and Gunsmithing Tools - BROWNELLS (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=53613/pid=27315/Product/Mil_Spec_Adj__Carbine_Stock_Completion_Kit)
BROWNELLS : AR-15/M16 A2 SINGLE-POINT SLING ADAPTER - World's Largest Supplier of Firearm Accessories, Gun Parts and Gunsmithing Tools - BROWNELLS (http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=31829/Product/AR_15_M16_A2_SINGLE_POINT_SLING_ADAPTER)

Theres what I have lined up so far.
going for cheaper sights since I plan on getting a scope later anyway.

What do you all think of the selected parts? And are these parts compatible? And what parts am I missing that I need to make this work?

Also could use a recommended bullet button to buy, not sure how that portion works.

Ridge_Runner_5
March 29, 2011, 04:11 PM
A piston upper would not be advisable. 1, the piston does nothing the standard gas system cannot. 2, the one thing the piston does that a gas system can not is cause carrier tilt, which can damage the buffer tube and sometimes even the lower receiver.

I'd rather go with a Daniel Defense upper (http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=2184) or something similar. Use the money you save on that to upgrade from a DPMS lower parts kit to a Daniel Defense. Higher quality right there.

I would also advise against a single point sling. I built my first AR and used a single point, and immediately regretted it. When you let it hang, it will just slap you in the junk over and over again until you pick it up. It's also hard to walk around with the gun like that. I have to hold mine up against my side when walking.

Based on your build, I'm guessing you are going with the fixed 10rd mag. If you don't get the bullet button, let me know and I can send you a bunch of stripper clips, which will make it easier to load while locked in the gun.

SilentVectorX
March 29, 2011, 07:24 PM
If this is your first AR, DO NOT get a gas piston upper. They actually have a lot of bugs still being worked out. Just get a high quality AR upper reciever, like a Bravo Company or Daniel Defense (or Noveske, etc, etc).

Go with a featureless build so you can use those 'pre-ban' 30rd mags I know you have.

BTW, that upper you linked to has a flash suppressor.

Seriously dude, I know your building your first AR and want it to be the best possible, but try listening to some of the experienced dudes when it comes to critical parts. Use a good trigger kit, and a good standard upper.

In fact, with that amount of money you could easily build a full up BCM, slap on a pistolgrip fin, bullet button, non-collapsing stock, and compensator, and call it good. You couldn't have the BCM delivered to you as-is though, it'd be an AW. But you get the point. Hell you could almost build a full-up Noveske.

Silent Titan
March 29, 2011, 10:04 PM
im building my first ar at the moment as well, from everything ive heard a good triger is worth any amount of eating ramen/penny pinching needed. i have saved the extra cash for a RRA NM 2 stage trigger and i haven't had one person tell me that it was anything other than a great decision.

Ridge_Runner_5
March 29, 2011, 11:47 PM
Titan, I love my RRA match trigger. I shot a friend's DD rifle not too long ago, and the trigger felt heavy as all get out. It was a standard trigger. I'm spoiled now :D

triumph666
March 31, 2011, 06:56 PM
In Kali-fornia you can have the pistol grip and detachable mags if you do not have a flash suppressor and a retractable stock...you can only have 2 items of alleged mass destruction bahh

get the detachable mags...get the pistol grip.....get a bull barrel non threaded......get the magpul stock and find which length suits you then permantly pin it and epoxy it and wellah... you got form function and good looks an no prison time cuz we all know how fricking evil it is to have threads on your barrel

Ridge_Runner_5
March 31, 2011, 11:19 PM
You can't have a flash hider, but what about a muzzle brake?

SilentVectorX
April 3, 2011, 03:54 PM
... you can have the pistol grip and detachable mags if you do not have a flash suppressor and a retractable stock...you can only have 2 items of alleged mass destruction ...

This is incorrect. Read lowracer's post again, it is dead-on.

Yes, you can have a muzzle brake, but be careful. There are quite a few that are specifically California-legal, so that's what you'd want.

DnPRK
April 3, 2011, 07:17 PM
The ACS buttstock requires a carbine receiver extension/buffer/spring.
Brownell's "stock completion kit" is 100% wrong for the ACS buttstock.
Instead, use this carbine stock completion kit (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Stock-Hardware-Mounting-Kit-Mil-Spec-p/stock%20hardware%20kit.htm).

ETA: Stay out of jail with a bullet button and 10 round mag

I use this bullet button (http://www.goldenstatetactical.com/bullet-button.html) on my builds.