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372XP
March 15, 2011, 10:48 PM
I'm finally a proud owner of a new Springfield Amory M1A!!!

geetarman
March 16, 2011, 12:04 AM
Good for you!

Great rifle. You will have a great time with it. When you clean it, make sure the gas cylinder does not move forward. It is easy to do. If it does, your rifle WILL short stroke. I learned my lesson just last week. Make sure to keep the rear of the gas cylinder snug with the forward band on the rifle.

It is easy to let that lock ring that looks like a figure eight to get an extra turn ccw looking from the muzzle. That will allow the gas cylinder to move forward toward the muzzle. It will not have to move very far and the gas port will get covered up. When that happens, there is not enough pressure bled off to cycle the action and the rifle will short stroke and fail to strip off a round after the first round is fired.

Not a good feeling when you expect a bang and hear a loud click. . .

Geetarman:D

wayne in boca
March 16, 2011, 04:07 AM
Congratulations.Don't let Geetarman scare you,that is not a problem you will usually have.Lube it up (grease not oil) and go shoot it.And go join the M14 forum,lots of great info there.Be warned,this is only your first M1A.

madcratebuilder
March 16, 2011, 09:01 AM
Leave room in the safe for the next one. Keep it greased and shoot the he11 out of it.

The only way the gas cylinder can move forward is if you do not tighten the gas cylinder lock.

http://m14tfl.com/

Read this site for good info.

Sadlak makes nice tools for the M14/M1A.

geetarman
March 16, 2011, 09:18 AM
Madcrate,

I agree with what you say. It is EASY to lose a turn however and that is what happened to me.

I remember the first time I cleaned the gas cylinder and that it was hard to get the lock ring to line up to install the plug.

I did not pay attention to where the gas block was located relative to the forward band and there is no mention of it in the manual supplied by the manufacturer. Just a note that it should be cleaned.

No doubt it was my fault. No doubt that it is enough of a problem that when I told the gunsmith at the range what my rifle was doing, he knew, without looking at the rifle, what had happened.

There are a bunch of retired Army and Marines at the range I frequent and not one of them picked up on why the rifle was short stroking.

I know what to look for now and it will not happen again. I am betting it will happen to someone else.

I am just trying to help someone new to the rifle to be aware of what can happen when the gas block moves.

My rifle is a loaded model and there is plenty of "stuff" that needs to come off before you get the action out of the stock.

I did not see or pay attention to how close the gas block was to the forward band and over time did not pick up on the fact I was not turning the lock ring down hard against the block and then backing off slightly to insert the plug.

Strictly my fault. I did learn from the experience and took the rifle back to the range on Monday and shot 60 rounds of DAG surplus and Federal Gold without a hint of a hiccup.

Geetarman:D

kx592
March 16, 2011, 09:28 AM
Not without proof, need pictures ;)

SmokyBaer
March 16, 2011, 11:03 AM
Congrats on the new rifle, 372XP. Shoot it and enjoy!!

Also, a +2 on what MadCrate said about http://m14tfl.com/ . There's tons of info on the M1A/M14 platform on that site.
I'm there quite often and learn something everyday it seems.

As for the gas cylinder moving forward... can only happen if that gas lock isn't tightened down properly. That's just one of the things to know about that area of the M1A. Be sure and check out gas cylinder shims, dwell time and front band tightening. All those help make a great rifle better.

Some great aftermarket parts are the Smith Enterprise's extended bolt stop and Sadlak's extended mag release. Both make a lot of difference in the feel of operating the rifle. easier, ya'know.

SR420
March 16, 2011, 11:20 AM
372XP I'm finally a proud owner of a new Springfield Amory M1A!!!

Congratulations!

What model did you get? New or used? Any USGI parts? What stock?

Break it down, clean it, de bur it as needed, grease all the right places,
get yourself a few CMI/GI mags, some good ammo and go shoot your rifle.


There are some really great sources of information online, these are my favorites.

Different's M1A site (http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/) and http://www.m14.ca/

If you have any interest in the enhanced battle rifle visit:
The History and Development of the SAGE Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR) chassis stock system (http://www.athenswater.com/M1A_Scout_Squad_EBR.htm)

If you have any plans to modernize your rifle or just want to see more EBRs visit:
The M14HDW Forum (http://m14hdw.proboards.com/index.cgi).



You have been warned that most of us end up with more than one M14 type rifle.
I purchased my first one in 2001 and now own six M14s... this is my most recent build.
MK14 CQB 16 type SEI

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/CQB%2016/th_IMG_4708.jpg (http://s895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/CQB%2016/IMG_4708.jpg) .... http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/CQB%2016/th_IMG_4681.jpg (http://s895.photobucket.com/albums/ac160/The_H2O_MAN/MK14EBR-RI/CQB%2016/IMG_4681.jpg)


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372XP
March 16, 2011, 08:23 PM
Thanks everyone! I have the standard model with a walnut stock. I cleaned it as soon as i got it home and took it up to the range as soon as i finished cleaning it lol. I got a bunch of Felderal Lake City 149 grain FMJ from a gun dealer near me for a good price and the M1A fired 180 rds of it without a hiccup. Can't wait to get back to the range!

THORN74
March 16, 2011, 08:52 PM
DAG, Radway green, HP, and seiller & belloit are all great mil surp rounds. been feeding mine DAG, HP, and S&B. it eats them like candy.

u just got ur self a great rifle.

geetarman
March 16, 2011, 10:12 PM
I agree about the DAG. I got two more battle packs and shot 40 up on Monday as well as some Federal Gold 175 gr.

Not a hiccup from the rifle.

Now it is time to get the scope off and use the iron sights.

Geetarman:D

madcratebuilder
March 17, 2011, 06:47 AM
I remember the first time I cleaned the gas cylinder and that it was hard to get the lock ring to line up to install the plug.

I did not pay attention to where the gas block was located relative to the forward band and there is no mention of it in the manual supplied by the manufacturer. Just a note that it should be cleaned.

It's an easy thing to overlook when you are new to the platform. God knows I've done similar things with a new to me fire arm.

Another +1 on the DAG ammo, both my rifles really like the stuff.

geetarman
March 17, 2011, 12:19 PM
I like the DAG. CTD had the battle packs for $85 I believe plus shipping.

I got two and am about half way done with one. . .

Geetarman:D