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8shot357
March 7, 2011, 11:59 AM
9am 3-7-11 wst

Happened pretty much just now, I pulled up to the third closest spot in the parking lot at Walmart. There was a nice shiny Corvette in the first and only handicap spot, there was and old guy in the passenger seat of the car next to it, with his window down.

I came out of my car jokingly say, I'll bit he's no HC person and he probably ran into the place for something quick. LOL

Long story short, when I came back out the Corvette was still there as was the old guy, and I made another sarcastic comment that HC people can't back up a Corvette that well. LOL:D

Next thing you know it, I heard "What!, are you talking about me?":eek:

The guy was on the total defense, but I didn't see any threat, but,.....I change my attitude because I was packing as I should, but I might have said something different if I wasn't.

The old guy next to me was on his toes and said we were just trying to figure out what year your car was, as I rolled up my window and started to leave, and we both looked at each other and got a smile on our faces. Mr Corvette tried to say something but I just drove away.:D

Normally I would have told the HC to chill or KMA, but now that I carry, I'm the one chilling.

That's my point.

Please only comment if you now carry and you understand.

Inhimwelive
March 7, 2011, 12:06 PM
Jumped the gun.. sorry didn't read closely enough.

On another note be careful who you judge.. One day I was riding with a friend. We parked in the handicap spot and this man starts making remarks about my friend not being handicapped.. Gary has one leg and I was about ready to ask him to take off his prosthetic leg so I could have clobbered the guy with it..

wyobohunter
March 7, 2011, 12:18 PM
but now that I carry, I'm the one chilling.

That's my point.

I feel the same way. I will usually say something to an unrepentant jerk i.e. somebody parking in a handicap spot when he doesn't have the sticker and appears not to be disabled... or the guy who takes up two parking spots so nobody parks next to his fancy car; the list goes on.

Now that I'm carrying I just chill.

MLeake
March 7, 2011, 12:20 PM
.... a friend of mine was a tall, strawberry-blonde, former pharmaceutical rep. Very attractive woman, and fortunately she'd been good at sales and had made good money.

This was very good, because she had developed an MS related disease (apparently the same had killed her father). Money had let her buy good health insurance; it also let her buy some home gym equipment, primarily resistance machines.

Resistance machines were essential, because when the disease, which would go into remission for hours or days at a time, would manifest itself again, she would lose some or most use of her legs. During those times, even basic walking would require a cane. At worse times, walking was out of the question.

She could still use her feet well enough to work gas and brake pedals in a safe manner, but could not count on the muscular strength of her legs.

Because she had the resistance machines, she could let them guide her muscle movements, and could work out. Her body looked great. She was a very nice-looking, late 20's. Nobody looking at her would guess she suffered from MS, and at times couldn't walk. And while she didn't drive a 'vette, she did drive a 300Z.

Sometimes, she could walk, but not maintain a straight line while walking, even with the cane.

It used to frustrate her to tears, that people would assume she was drunk on those occasions. She didn't drink, period. It also used to hurt her when people who couldn't mind their own business would automatically assume she was "stealing" the handicapped parking spots.

I got into a few busy-bodies' faces over comments they made, back then. Those folks felt pretty bad when they realized, so I didn't need to say all that much.

These days, that guy sitting in the 'vette could easily be a disabled vet. Guy could be minus a leg, but have an auto transmission. Guy could have a heart condition (I have friends who've had bypass surgery, who also happen to own sports cars).

Making pissy comments over the handicapped spot, when you don't know the other person, is BS. If you're that worried about it, ask directly, don't snipe like some junior high school kid.

Just be prepared to feel like an ass.

8shot357
March 7, 2011, 12:28 PM
It was no big deal, my point was I would have told him something else like kiss my Corvette, or he had a tire low like his brain.

After having my foot chopped off in a motorcycle accident and other mishaps in my travels of the country on my bikes, everything seems (1991-20011 250K) mild, I just have a weird twisted sense of humor, so be it, I did most of it without a gun.

MLeake
March 7, 2011, 12:33 PM
... you apparently were in the habit of shooting off your mouth before you started carrying.

Now it seems like you're working toward fixing that habit. That's a good thing if you carry, and probably a good thing even if you don't.

What was "no big deal" to you would have brought my college friend to tears, and you and I would have exchanged words. Why? Because you felt a need to make an editorial comment, bud didn't have the nerve to ask the direct question?

That attitude offends me worse than would a potential HC spot thief.

Ronbert
March 7, 2011, 12:40 PM
If carrying causes you to mind your own business and keep your mouth shut, then you should carry more often.

8shot357
March 7, 2011, 12:51 PM
MLeake

You'r totally right, I did step out of bounds. The guy did come out and kind of got off on a defense mode, maybe justified.

I might have let him explain himself, but my new carrying mode changes how I approach people esp in Vegas, and I just left.

Otherwise, I would have stood there for another 30 second's and let him explain his point

youngunz4life
March 7, 2011, 01:01 PM
You'r totally right, I did step out of bounds. The guy did come out and kind of got off on a defense mode, maybe justified.

I might have let him explain himself, but my new carrying mode changes how I approach people esp in Vegas, and I just left.

Otherwise, I would have stood there for another 30 second's and let him explain his point

yes because the last thing you want is to get an argument where emotions on both sides can run high. he wanted to rebutt your comments for whatever reason. you said something to the man but didn't want to continue the convesation because you were carrying. Basially you knew he was upset with your comments and you didn't want a confrontation while armed with a firearm. Most people have had their mouth get them in trouble at one point or another, so it happens. You knew to just leave which was good, but he was still upset.

Edward429451
March 7, 2011, 01:10 PM
I thought you said you acted differently because you had the sidearm??? Oh wait, you mean after you provoked the situation!

Well that's good then, you're headed in the right direction. Next time see if you can act differently before shooting your mouth off...;)

WC145
March 7, 2011, 01:13 PM
I acted differently because I had a side arm

Not differently enough, since there was no reason for you to say anything in the first place particularly since you knew the window was down and the passenger would hear you. You tried to get a rise out of him and you did, THEN you decided it was time to "chill". You shouldn't have said anything to begin with, regardless of whether or not you were carrying a gun.

output
March 7, 2011, 02:46 PM
MLeake is absolutely right.

While I can appreciate the fact that you “chilled” and avoided a possible confrontation (that you caused.) I do not welcome or condone your actions leading up to the confrontation. Nor would a judge or jury of your peers had the situation escalated. I am not perfect by any means and I am human…occasional I judge a book by its cover, but I never openly badmouth or heckle another human being just for the heck of it.

Best of luck to you.

GojuBrian
March 7, 2011, 03:23 PM
You started something that could easily have escalated. How would you feel if your popping off would have resulted in you actually needing your firearm?

Next time mind your own business instead of assuming and making snide comments and you won't have to worry much about your disposition because you have a firearm.

Hog Hunter
March 7, 2011, 03:34 PM
Definatly understand!! There has been situations where I walked away to avoid conflict because I was packing. In the past I have never been the type of preson to walk away from a fight but, when I started packing and running scenarios through my mind I realized that the best thing to do is avoid the conflict. I know I dont wanna have to ever pull the trigger on someone and if I had to it would more than likely be a life changing experiance. So now for me the best thing to do is try my best to avoid it and even places I go that I cant tote I still play it like I am and try to avoid the bad side of the situation. Pretty good habbit to aquire, keep me out of trouble a few times I belive

Jake Balam
March 7, 2011, 03:56 PM
I used to be a punch first talk it out later kind of guy.

Now that I carry daily I avoid any and all conflict by any means necessary, even by losing face and just walking away, even if I'm in the right.

"with great power comes great responsibility"

sirsloop
March 7, 2011, 04:01 PM
if you dont have something nice to say then its not worth saying at all...

Capt Charlie
March 7, 2011, 04:10 PM
All right guys, we've all regretted something we said over the years. The OP knows he made a mistake, but there's no sense in piling on the guy like linebackers on a quarterback.

The issue is whether or not having a firearm has altered your behavior.

brabham78
March 7, 2011, 04:14 PM
Yup, I do understand. In the years since I've been carrying, I've become very good at swallowing my pride and walking away from potential trouble. I'm pretty sure that approach has kept me out of some bad situations.

I know how you feel about perfectly healthy people using handicapped parking spaces, it grinds me too, but we have to accept the reality that some people are just the center of their own universe, and are going to behave as though rules are for everyone else - but not them.

Next time it would probably be best to just grit your teeth - and be quiet.

markj
March 7, 2011, 04:26 PM
Having a firearm doesnt change my behavior. I try to be nice to everyone and help out as much as I can, why? Cause it is the right thing to do. I see a person is handicapped, I try to find a way to make them feel equal to me and not unequal.

My first wife dies at age 31, she had a kidney transplant age 18, then 27 she had a anuyism operation paralyzed her right side she died age 31 so I have some hands on in this.

She would have chased you down and hit you with her metal cane. She never let me use the sticker, she felt others were more handicapped than her and didnt want someone to have a hard time getting out of their vehicles.

Cant take back a word, once said it lives on forever.

Walk a mile........

MLeake
March 7, 2011, 04:52 PM
... please note markj's post, and my earlier ones.

Sometimes, that "ordinary" person you see in the handicapped space has every right to the space and the pass. Just because you don't see anything wrong with them, doesn't mean they are healthy.

Unless you have some magical skills:

You can't tell the recent kidney transplant recipient.

You can't tell the heart surgery survivor.

You can't tell the passenger with a head injury that robs them of most of their balance.

If you really feel the need to ask how the person qualifies, do so politely. If you start off by assuming wrong-doing on the other person's part, and come in with an attitude, you may find yourself at best feeling very stupid and ill-mannered, and at worst in the middle of an escalated conflict.

Note to Capt Charlie: not trying to pile on 8shot357, as I think he realizes the problem; just replying to brabham78 and another poster or two.

Wildalaska
March 7, 2011, 04:57 PM
The issue is whether or not having a firearm has altered your behavior.


Well since the behavior here was provoking ab initio, the OP should put his gun away until he realizes that making comments at folks is innapropriate.

I learned to keep my big mouth shut long before I carried. I dont carry now because I am incapable of keeping my big mouth shut.

WildowowowAlaska ™©2002-2011

Stevie-Ray
March 7, 2011, 05:20 PM
You'r totally right, I did step out of bounds. The guy did come out and kind of got off on a defense mode, maybe justified.
And then again, maybe not. Did he have a handicap plate or mirror tag? If not he needs to be told he's illegal. In my state, that is a hefty fine whether you're handicapped or not. If you're handicapped, take the time to get the permit and make sure you're the only one that uses it. My wife is handicapped and I'm so sick of seeing teenage girls come running out to their cars with the handicap tag around the mirror, rip it off, or not,:rolleyes: and take off like a bat out of hell. And I say something to everyone that isn't legal that I see. If I don't see them, I call the police. At times, I'll call them with a plate number if the above has convinced me they are not handicapped in any way. Many of the younger people are using their grandparents tags or have stolen them, another problem in this state. I've done this since long before I carried, nothing has changed simply because I carry a gun. These unthinking morons can consider themselves lucky when somebody says something to them rather than simply calling the police, once they've paid a fine for it. I called once when 4 of 5 parking spaces was in violation. I went up to the cop that showed and he asked, "Are you the one that called?" I said yes and he said, "Good for you, this is the motherlode." When you've dealt with a handicapped loved one for over 30 years, and you see these jackasses using what few spaces may be available, because they're too lazy to walk a bit, it becomes personal.

aarondhgraham
March 7, 2011, 05:26 PM
Have we beat 8shot357 up enough yet?,,,

Aarond

MLeake
March 7, 2011, 05:28 PM
... there's a big difference between asking somebody if they are handicapped, and making stage whispers about them based on assumptions.

In the OP's case, he could even ask in a semi-humorous way. Example:

"I had to give up a foot to get my pass. What did they charge you?"

Or, there's the more formal and polite manner:

"I'm sorry, but did you realize you're in a handicapped spot?"

That option allows saving of face, in case the person actually is eligible. You could even say, "Sorry, you look so healthy I didn't realize," and turn it into a sort of compliment.

But charging in and challenging could be embarrassing, or worse. More than one person got told off for approaching my friend in such manner. Had they not had the sense to leave and/or look completely embarrassed when they found out she had MS, I'd have been tempted (being 20 and having a bit of a Sicilian temper at the time) to offer to help them qualify for their own pass.

I'm older and much more mellow, now. But I still recommend a courteous approach, as it's better (and safer) for all involved.

Calling the police is also a responsible alternative option.

brabham78
March 7, 2011, 06:18 PM
Unless you have some magical skills:

You can't tell the recent kidney transplant recipient.

You can't tell the heart surgery survivor.

You can't tell the passenger with a head injury that robs them of most of their balance.




Mleake, I don't have magical skills, and I agree, you can't tell for sure. No doubt there are lots of those who deserve to park there. There are also plenty who don't deserve it, but do anyway, and it is those that I'm sure you agree, are self-centered. The best way to deal with it..... as you might have noticed, was in my post. My approach (and advice) is to just remain quiet, which goes to the original subject of this thread. Avoiding confrontation.

Hiker 1
March 7, 2011, 06:26 PM
I used to be a fan of the middle-finger salute as well as laying on my horn in traffic in my younger days. Age, fatherhood and daily concealed carry has curbed those immature behaviors.

Never start it, never escalate it, always de-escalate. Plus, you never know who else is packing and what their own stability-level is.

spacemanspiff
March 7, 2011, 07:39 PM
I learned quick. I uttered a curse at a driver who goosed the gas as I walked in front of his truck in a parking lot, he did it to boost his ego. Gets his jollies by making as if he is going to run over me. It wasnt difficult to read my lips to know what I said, and he followed me into the quickmart and confronted me. He was fronting to look good for his girlfriend, tried to goad me into going outside with him to continue the 'conversation'. I told him I had said all I needed to. I didn't want to get into a physical confrontation while I was carrying.
Now I keep my mouth shut if I am carrying.

BGutzman
March 7, 2011, 07:45 PM
I am much more subdued when I carry, I go out of my way to avoid offense even in situations that would normally cause me to comment.

For example I hate poor manners and when treated with poor manners I have no problem mentioning I would have appreciated better manners. If Im carrying more often than not I let it slide. I take pains to be non offensive.

None of this is to say I dont speak up or that I wouldnt defend myself but I am more reserved about all of it. Things just escolate too easily now days and if some horrible thing goes down I dont want to be the catalyst that starts it.

threegun
March 7, 2011, 08:46 PM
My wake up call

I was working at a pawnshop (still here to:barf:). We all carry openly in the store. This guy comes in asking me to make an offer on some rifles. They were junk and my offer reflected this. The guy gets upset with the offer and walks out. A couple minutes later he walks back in demanding an apology?????????what??????Apparently my offer offended him and i was going to apologize or else. Now I allow some testosterone to cloud my brain and I tell him to leave the store that I would sooner eat a bag of crap than apologize for something I didn't do. He became more hostile both verbally and in his mannerisms. He was definitely upset. Now he begins to make threats. He was a big man and there was no doubt that he could do exactly what he was threatening. I tell him that he needs to leave and that I'm calling the cops if he doesn't. He says he will not leave without getting his apology.......only says it really nasty and loaded with cuss words. I smile and say alright you dumb sob I'm gonna get you busted for trespassing. When I called him dumb it was as if electricity had passed through his body. It effected him and his anger lever increased a bunch. Now on the phone with 911 I cupped the phone an whispered they are coming to arrest you retard. He exploded with anger to the point that the 911 lady asked if that was the bad guy and assure me that officers were en route. I explain that the phone was pretty close to the bad guy and I didn't feel comfortable standing there and we ended the call. Now stupid me I go on an adjective fest. Thinking of every way to call this guy stupid I could muster. He was crying and spitting he was so angry. I was laughing and that made it even worst. At this point this guy grabs the counter top pass thru and begins to lift it while threatening to beat me to death (again only with bad words). My stupidity was about to force me to shoot an unarmed man. I squared up to him and told him if he came behind the counter I would shoot him. Thankfully he complied and finally left. Before LE arrived of course.

My behavior has since changed and I now swallow my pride regularly. I was lucky as was the other guy.

tgreening
March 7, 2011, 09:02 PM
I have to go with Stevie-Ray on this one. Handicap spaces are one of my pet peeves and I've confronted more than one person over their use. IMO, if you can get out of your vehicle unassisted and WALK to the store, you have no business being in a handicap spot, sticker or not. People cruise right into one of those spots, walk to door, and then proceed to put on mile or so of foot traffic while they're in the mall or cruising through the Wal-mart isles. Sad to say my mother was a prime abuser.

I've never made rude comments to passengers, or stationary drivers, because I don't know the situation, but if I see you get out and head to the store under your own power I've got a comment to make.

retiredcoasty
March 7, 2011, 09:18 PM
I routinely use my handicap placard. If one looks at me getting out of the vehicle wearing long pants they might erroneously look at me as though I am playing the system. But, when wearing shorts, no one questions me. I walk okay getting out of the car and for the first 100 yards then my legs give up due to the massive leg trauma (missing muscle, missing bones, skin graphs, etc). My legs are mangled!

So I have been the guy judged by those by others that were totally unqualified to judge. I have had people question me and I pull up my pant leg and say “Kiss This!” They normally apologize and look stupid.

I guess I am saying that unless you have ALL the facts, you might not want to judge others. And, if you had questioned me about my use of the placard, I would have told you what Franklin said, “It is better to remain silent and thought the fool than it is to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”;)

oden
March 7, 2011, 09:38 PM
It seems that some people just look to let there alligator mouth over load there;) humming bird ass.

Buzzcook
March 7, 2011, 09:41 PM
If you feel that someone is in a handicapped zone that shouldn't be there, take down the license number, and call a cop.

EricReynolds
March 7, 2011, 10:18 PM
Has anyoned stopped to think that maybe the guy in the Corvette, handicapped or not, could have been the one to just let it go? If I overhear someone make a snarky comment that I assume is directed at me, I don't get up and ask if they're talking about me. I don't say anything. I don't care. Maybe the other guy was the one looking to provoke. The OP walked away as opposed to thumping chests with the guy. We are all entitled to our opinions, and can say what we lik. However unpopular our comments may be to someone else, it's not neccesarily provocation. It's everyone's responsibilty to ignore everyone else when we don't like what we're hearing.

JohnKSa
March 7, 2011, 10:26 PM
I think a careful re-read of the OP's post will show that the comment was not intentionally made in the presence of the Corvette driver.

He arrived at the store, saw the empty Corvette and commented to the passenger in an adjacent car.

Came out of the store, saw the empty Corvette still in place and made another comment to the passenger in the adjacent car who was also still there. The Corvette driver approached without being detected and overheard the comment.

So, while the comment may have been ill-advised, the accusations that the OP provoked a confrontation are somewhat off-base since he did not even realize the Corvette driver was anywhere near when he spoke.

youngunz4life
March 7, 2011, 11:59 PM
Has anyoned stopped to think that maybe the guy in the Corvette, handicapped or not, could have been the one to just let it go? If I overhear someone make a snarky comment that I assume is directed at me, I don't get up and ask if they're talking about me.

no, I haven't because what business do we have to judge his situation? for all we know his wife was about to pass from cancer after a ton of chemotherapy treatments.

So, while the comment may have been ill-advised, the accusations that the OP provoked a confrontation are somewhat off-base since he did not even realize the Corvette driver was anywhere near when he spoke.

I guess this is possible John, but I don't remember 8shot saying anything about not knowing mr corvette was anywhere in the vacinity.

Lawyer Daggit
March 8, 2011, 12:26 AM
Don't you have handicapped stickers in the US?

In order to use handicapped parking in Oz you have to get your Doctor to fill out a form for the Dept of Transport who issue a permit.

We still get people who are not entitled using them- but they are fined by the Police;

Jake Balam
March 8, 2011, 01:22 AM
^ +1

It used to be people cared about their community. Now everyone is isolated and doesn't care about their neighbor.

ncpatriot
March 8, 2011, 02:18 AM
I never was too much for confrontations, I'm mostly a mild mannered person, very easygoing. In fact, as I posted awhile back, I've been hustled & panhandled a lot less since I started carrying. I don't act any differently toward people. I still chat with clerks, speak to people in lines, etc. I do watch my surroundings more carefully than before, I guess that shows. Maybe I somehow "walk a little taller" in my stride, I don't know. But I do get fewer panhandlers than I ever did before. I used to attract them like flies to honey.

My thinking in general is that I avoid potential trouble I can spot but I'm also better prepared if I run into trouble around a corner.

Ben Towe
March 8, 2011, 02:25 AM
Some people here need to learn to READ!
Props to the OP for handling it cooly. I probably would not have.
I hope this thread doesn't degenerate into a "God, this country has gone down the crapper" thread, I'm so sick of hearing that line just because you had the misfortune of running into a jerk. Get over it.

hondauto
March 8, 2011, 04:38 AM
In all honesty
If I don't need a HC space.. I don't care WHO is parked there,Whether I'm packing or not.
Let the HC people fight for their own spaces and what not.
I don't engage in confrontation unless it pertains to me or mine.

8shot357
March 8, 2011, 06:29 AM
I read every post out of respect to who commented, and let me tell you, "damned you took a chunk out of my life, I wish I was a speed reader":eek:

I opened up a can of worm's, as my point was, about chilling out when I carry. But the older I get, the more chill I is.

I used to be a super cocky guy, but never an a-hole,... much. They say that most wise men have been there done that bought the t-shirt. Something like that.

Without writing a book, I feel I've "been there done that", is adequate for me, you'll just have to take my word for that.

I've been temporarily handicapped (1993-1994), my foot got 80% chopped off in a motorcycle accident, they put it back on -details. Can send a video of me in ER on Youtube if you want to see it.

6 weeks later, I got on a motorcycle and went to McDonnell's, I walked in with my crutch's the nice girl asked me if she could assist me, and carry my bag of Big Mac's (2 for 2$) out to my motorcycle, I did that on purpose. She was amazed. I limped on my bike, took the bag and stuffed it in my t-shirt, took off.

Been there done that!!
Post # 22

Stevie-Ray

My wife is handicapped and I'm so sick of seeing teenage girls come running out to their cars with the handicap tag around the mirror, rip it off, or not, and take off like a bat out of hell.


I can't comment on every post as the vast array "comment's and opinions"

But Stevie-Ray hit the nail on the head.

I was casually talking to the guy which was next to the handi-cap spot, he (old) was truly a handicap and was waiting for his wife to do the shopping while he was ready to drive her/them home.

Well Stevie, that's pretty much what I was talking about, and then I made the commet about (Jokingly saying) "No handicapped could back up there Vett like that"

NO BIG DEAL!!!!!!

"WHAT!? YOU TALKING ABOUT ME?!"

READ THE OP!:D

I hope this is my get out of jail card.:rolleyes:

MLeake
March 8, 2011, 06:41 AM
... again, not meaning to pile on 8shot357, as he's already said he was in error...

...but after a careful re-read, the OP made a sarcastic comment about the Corvette driver to a third (and unknown) party in a separate car, loud enough to be heard in the parking lot. He also didn't apparently take note of whether anybody else was in the vicinity.

Sorry, but if you insult somebody to a third party instead of directly, it's still a) juvenile and b) a provocation.

Ben Towe, Jake Balam, yellowlegs, and others who think like you, please review posts by markj, RetiredCoasty, and myself on people whom you might decide aren't handicapped.

The person walking under his own power at this moment may have reason to think he can't, if he has to go much further.

Once again, if you really think there's a problem, the responsible, adult choices are really only three:

1) Directly ask the person, politely, if they are eligible for that spot;

2) Notify the police and let them make the determination; or

3) If you can't handle 1, and don't want to be bothered with 2, then manage to keep your trap shut.

Making catty/bitchy comments doesn't prove you care about your country, it just proves you can't handle doing what it takes to address a problem like a grown-up.

8shot357
March 8, 2011, 07:15 AM
... again, not meaning to pile on 8shot357, as he's already said he was in error...

Butt.....

I don't know, my point was after an excruciating 3 hour session at gun class to get my CCW, I learned to be more passive. And we needed to have 27" groups at 7 yards.:D

Well, the rest is common sense, and we take the rest from there in Nevada.

youngunz4life
March 8, 2011, 08:45 AM
i cant believe im gonna post but we as americans have grad stoped holding others accountable that only invites us to expect someone else to do it for us i agree that smart ass coments are just as weak as hc parkers {w/o cause} however i also think most of our forefathes=rs would turn in their grave to see how bad WE have let this country go i hope that doesnt offend anyone

just wanted to point out Sir that people were having the same conversation in the 1930's and some joe schmo informed the man that people were having the same conversation in the 1850's & 1860's at that time. there is hope. as far as WE let this country go - I disagree w/the statement, yet I assure you I have sentiment to your post. the post immediately after yours made a good point. I know my mom's photo albums can show the sense of community: when someone moved out of the neighborhood, everyone helped out and had a little block/moving party with the kids. Growing up the neighborhood was definately closer too. Time is a pendulum sometimes though so hang in there.

MLeake
March 8, 2011, 09:25 AM
... and onto the point of the OP's intended question:

I do not behave differently in my interactions with Joe Public when I am carrying, because I am not belligerent in the first place.

The only difference in my behavior, at least that I've noticed, is that I'm much more aware of the speed limit, since I'd prefer to minimize LEO interactions while carrying.

Nothing against LEO's, but one never knows how they'll react to being notified one is exercising CCW privileges.

On the bright side, my only LEO interaction where that was a factor, went very smoothly and professionally.

psyfly
March 8, 2011, 10:39 AM
This thread seems to have devolved into two issues.

1.) Carrying has, indeed, changed the way I respond. I wan't really aware of that until about six months ago, when my wife and I, with my son and his girl friend were verbally attacked in the street and the perp (both crazy and intoxicated, IMO) took a run at my son. I was already on the cell phone to 911 but found myself thinking that if he touched my son, I would drop the cell and take him to the ground. While it did not occur to me to draw the SP101 I was carrying I believe that having it (even in reserve) gave me confidence that I would be able to manage the situation however it developed.

2.) "Never pass up a good opportunity to keep your mouth shut." Attributed to Winston Churchill, among others. I had learned the wisdom of that somewhere about the 3rd grade if I remember correctly.

We, at our best, use these internet interactions to learn and we start, by necessity, from where we are, not from where someone else thinks we ought to be. I think the OP acknowledged readily that he was both ready and willing to learn from his own experience and others' input.

I work everyday at the judgment of others thing.

It's hard.

Best,

Will

skywag
March 8, 2011, 11:19 AM
It happens all the time.

People are just jealous about others driving a nice car.

insolentshrew
March 8, 2011, 02:47 PM
I am not going to address the comments that were made, or what should/shouldn't have been done - thats been covered already.

I just wanted to mention as a few others have, you don't necessarily know the situation of the HC person. They may have the nice car because of a settlement from when a commercial truck creamed their compact, they may get to drive a vette but now have to use a cane to walk for the rest of their life. That is just a hypothetical situation based off what was presented.

Real life instance, a friend of mine has a kidney disease, he has already had one surgically removed, leaving him the 1. He has to be hooked up to a dialysis machine all but 2 nights a week for hours on end. His other kidney gets inflamed to the size of a football at some points, other times it is not so bad. His legs work perfectly fine, but walking long distances can sometimes be quite painful and not exactly good for him. Most places he doesn't care if there is an open handicap spot or not, but if it is at a large store like walmart with a huge parking lot and they are busy, where he would be stuck a great distance away. You better believe he is going to take advantage of the HC parking. At first glance some of the people might say "oh he isn't HC" etc., just like a previous poster mentioned their friend with MS. Save yourself from looking like an ass and hold your lip, you don't know the situation.

flyboyjake
March 8, 2011, 03:31 PM
jesus people, would you knock it off already with the HC crap?? the horse is dead!!! does anyone even remember the point of his post? or are you too interested in your sanctimony.

markj
March 8, 2011, 04:08 PM
"Walk sofly and carry a big stick" :) I always liked that saying...


I wass in a McDonaldss once, I know I harte to admit it, but a old guy was 6ft 6 or so, very big but not as heavy as I am. He was telling the cashier she was worthless and stupid etc cause she was new on the register. A kid in back was cooking offered her some help verbally, well this old guy said a very racist remark to this young man, he is of African descent, his mouth opened as if he couldnt belive what this old guy said to him. So I say to my friend standing beside me, "one day these old bigots will die then we can live as we should" well this guy handed me his breakfast, literally, the whole tray upside my head. Coffe was really hot, no lawyer in sight. I got free breakfast he got a talking too by the police, I refused to press charges it was Sunday.

I did pick the dude up and slammed him to the ground, my friends grabbed me and pulled me off, Iwasnt gonna hit him, just neutralizee him so he couldnt poor any more coffe on my head.

Later I felt real bad about it, I didnt know what set him off, for all i knew he might have just lost his wife or some other tragic event. I still feel bad over that one.

8shot357
March 8, 2011, 05:20 PM
Ok, guys, I have story's all day long:rolleyes:, my point was to hold back when your holding a fire arm with you.

That's it's. Chill!

I know that one time, I used to have that one time, times over times a week for years, yet I never needed a fire arm, or felt I needed a fire arm, until I moved to FL, and or Vegas from MN.

Does that make sense?

I'm a crazy SOB!:confused: And I'm still alive at 43, projected death? 23!:(

Like if you read may other post, I made it this far. Why I don't know! I should have went to Iraq, but the war was over in three days back then (1991).


Post #42

Without writing a book, I feel I've "been there done that", is adequate for me, you'll just have to take my word for that.

wyobohunter
March 8, 2011, 05:41 PM
I think I've wasted enough of my time on this thread. It went from point to ponder to :barf: in about 4 posts.

Checking out.

8shot357
March 8, 2011, 06:00 PM
I feel the same way. I will usually say something to an unrepentant jerk i.e. somebody parking in a handicap spot when he doesn't have the sticker and appears not to be disabled... or the guy who takes up two parking spots so nobody parks next to his fancy car; the list goes on.

Now that I'm carrying I just chill.

I hear you brother!:D

We all chilling.

Did you read about my post were a chopped my foot off? Video soon.

Capt Charlie
March 8, 2011, 07:52 PM
Alrighty then. This is winding down; we've got several subjects going on at the same time, the OP got his point across (along with a written thrashing), and some are starting to get cranky.

I think it's time to tuck this one in and say nighty-night while we're still (more or less) ahead.

Closed.