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Theophilus
February 20, 2011, 11:33 AM
Home defense question - assuming you have a handgun in a safe by the bed - and there is some kind of big bump in the night. Are there some situations where you would not pull the gun? For example, if from the noise you suspect that there are more than one or two criminals involved? At what point (if any) do you make the decision that pulling the gun might escalate things in a way that works against you? OR - would you get the gun and conceal it to keep the options open?

jrothWA
February 20, 2011, 12:13 PM
you must make this yourself.

If you suspect more than one intruder, then get the cavalry (LEO'S) a coming.

If you have time and augmented your safe, then get the shotgun / M1 Carbine cleared and ready and possibly hold "high ground" position.

If you and wife then SHE's on the phone/Cell, giving play-by-play to 911 and relayed to LEO's as to WHERE you are located, where you think intruder are.

Isolated and by yourself, PREVAIL.

youngunz4life
February 20, 2011, 12:59 PM
if something happens multiple handguns are out. I'm not rambo- thats just the way I would do it. we have multiple handguns and/or CCWs in the safe. at that point if something escalates even further then I am going to get the shotgun if possible. my shotgun ammo is locked in the safe, so unfortunately I need a minute to get the shotgun ready to go. I do this for safety reasons- the very small chance my child gets hold of a spare key to the shotgun/rifle case, there is no ammo in it. the safe is electronic. I would only get the shotgun if I had a minute and it was safe to do so. I would prefer the shotgun if all hell broke loose, but two loaded revolvers will do if need be.

BGutzman
February 20, 2011, 01:47 PM
Not pulling the gun is putting you at the mercy of people who may have no mercy and by definition are already showing poor judgment by their actions.

You know your house, you know where your spouse and kids are and where your neighbors houses and the street or road that may or may not have traffic on it in relation to your house to consider as your move.

Home invasions very often involve rape and murder and it’s your domain. Myself if two or more people are breaking into my house and not announcing themselves as some sort of law enforcement and my family’s lives are at stake I’m dropping them as quickly and rapidly as possible to preserve my family, aggression would be very high and I would have to do all I can to remain situationally aware. I would need to limit their movement so the engagement zones away from my loved ones.

If loved ones do become involved then you either have a dead loved one, a hostage situation or a BG splashed right next to your spouse or kid.

Hopefully ones family would have a plan for such a situation and your kids might go into a closet or under a bed or whatever until you tells them it’s clear.

Never simply allow them to take over, bad choice trusting your lives to someone who by definition cannot be trusted to act within the law.

Glenn E. Meyer
February 20, 2011, 02:28 PM
Say Petit family and drive them to the bank to get your money.

Your choice.

hondauto
February 20, 2011, 03:06 PM
First,Dial 911 and stay on the line until cops arrive.
I would pull out 2 of my guns, The .357 magnum and the .45 cal
I'd move the magnum to Mexican style SOB and hope I don't need it.
.45 would be out front for primary duty.
I would rather not let them get a hostage situation going.

therewolf
February 20, 2011, 03:32 PM
Somebody recently mentioned a "layered" response.

IMO, I agree that 911 call pronto is important.

I cannot advise others how to handle an intruder/s with a gun, but I have to

agree that it is a poor idea to have it as the only response.

Edward429451
February 20, 2011, 03:42 PM
You have to have a dog nowadays. A dog capable of giving an intruder a hard time. A dog that is intimidating. Shepards are great because scumbags see them as police dogs and other people see them as family dogs. Having multiple dogs almost guarentees that you'll never be invaded. Yawn, now where did I put that ammo?

PawPaw
February 20, 2011, 04:23 PM
You have a safe by your bed?

Shootin Chef
February 20, 2011, 04:32 PM
This actually came up last night.
I heard what sounded like a footstep, and both my dog and the gf's were whining. So after I untangled myself from the sheets I grabbed the short barrel 12ga I keep beside the bed, told her to grab her cell phone and get on my side of the bed closest to the opposite wall, and popped the door making sure to keep my body behind it.
Only once I had the door open and could see most of the house, did I rack a round in to the chamber, and it turned out to be nothing but I can't see a time at all when I wouldn't take that shotgun to investigate anything.

I can't be on the same side as those saying call the police immediately. Barring it being a false alarm like last night, with the way even justified self defense gun users are crucified in court, I would rather give as little evidence as possible to use against me. If I have to shoot someone, I will call 911 after and tell them the address, I need an ambulance, and I felt my life was in danger, he was going to kill me, and end the call.

Dwight55
February 20, 2011, 05:01 PM
Every place, . . . every situation is different, . . . have to be handled differently also.

In my case, . . . I live at the end of a 600 foot driveway, . . . there is no reason for being an "accidental" attempt at opening my doors. If it ain't me or one of 3 other people, . . . it is someone up to no good.

If time permits, . . . 911 is first response, . . . takes 30 minutes for the cavalry to arrive.

Whichever firearm I can grab first, . . . will be the one used to get me back to the safe where the artillery is.

There is nothing in my house that the burglar cannot have, . . . but if he comes into my bedroom, . . . he really will not like the response. I'm not going out to disturb his plundering, . . . but I will seriously defend my high ground.

May God bless,
Dwight

Rifleman1776
February 20, 2011, 05:09 PM
Safe? For home defense?
My home protection handgun is right next to my head at night, loaded ready for use.
There is a reason why it is spelled S-A-F-E.
A locked up firearm is 'unsafe' for you and your family.

gearhounds
February 20, 2011, 05:10 PM
+1 on the dog, the louder and more obnoxious the better. Aways arm yourself and announce the fact, adding that the police are on the way (even if they are not) and that any intruder that approaches will be engaged on the premise that only a person planning harm would continue to advance given that information. If you truly suspect an intruder, do not go looking for them, rather barricade and protect the family from the tactically superior "high ground" as jayrothWA suggests, and wait for the troops to arrive.

On another note, I am surprised no one else has mentioned having a good, high quality tactical light in the same location as any home defense weapon (or on it, for that matter). The brighter the better, 200 lumens or more. no crappy d-cell maglite or plastic Ray-o-vac. Just don't be a target while doing it. Any cop can tell you that blinding an opponent will put you miles ahead in an altercation.

Oh, and this: intruder+known weapon= no quarter or warning necessary. On the ridiculously slim chance that an innocent person has somehow entered my home with a weapon, does not respond to challenges, or comes closer, I could easily live with myself afterwards.

Since the original post involved a safe in the equation, a hard mounted, manual finger combination mini safe that can be actuated in the dark if necessary would work best, IMO.

FireForged
February 20, 2011, 05:15 PM
Speaking just for myself, in the State that I live and in reference to my specific set of circumstances-

If I hear some odd noise in my home during the night, I will arm myself with my bedside gun. My bedroom door is closed and locked so I will remain where I am. I will listen and if I am confident that there is a intruder in my home I will call 911 (if time allows).

My house gun is exactly that and is not kept in a safe. It remains in a closed drawer of a night stand. Again, this is just my decision based on my unique set of circumstances. I would not fault anyone for keeping a firearm in a safe but Its just not what I do with (1) home defense firearm. Some jurisdictions may require specific methods of storage but not here where I live.

youngunz4life
February 20, 2011, 06:41 PM
I agree one needs to know when to 'pull the trigger' on the 911. There is a grey area, but you need to dial preferably w/the house phone as soon as you know something(or think something) is wrong.

BGutzman
February 20, 2011, 06:53 PM
Not every house lends itself to protecting a single bedroom.

I have kids and the house has different levels so were not all on the same floor or area when sleeping. It only makes sense to engage them early before other family members become more exposed and involved.

I also have no intention of giving myself away in the situation as described well that is until the first pull of the trigger. My family would inherently be in immediate danger especially if there bold enough to attack while we are at home in bed.

Now I agree if there were some reasonable way for them to walk off with whatever property without my family being harmed them they can have it all but thats simply very not likely.

Announcing to the intruders that you are armed not only tells the approximately where you are it gives away your ability to suprise them which may make the difference between you and your family surviving the encounter or not.

I agree a good dog is valuable, if you have one.

I do think my 12 Ga will make an announcment they will understand when the body hits the floor, the aggression will help end the situation more quickly. I have motion detecting lamps in the house so identification should be assured prior to pulling the trigger.

cambeul41
February 20, 2011, 08:37 PM
At what point (if any) do you make the decision that pulling the gun might escalate things in a way that works against you?

Am I missing the OP's question? Is it not, "When do you give up, roll over, and beg rather than fight? Then the answer is never -- unless perhaps you are staring down the wrong end of a barrel.

I also do not understand "concealing" ones weapon when one is home-invaded. How does one conceal a gun that is busy drilling the invaders?

Capt Charlie
February 20, 2011, 09:39 PM
...you need to dial preferably w/the house phone as soon as you know something(or think something) is wrong.

Good point! And one that needs a little explanation, I think.

Most counties in the US today have a 911 system, but what a lot of people don't know is that not all 911 systems can track a cell phone. With a land line, all you need do is dial 911 and not say anything. Units will be dispatched to an "unknown trouble, open line" call.

While all of them can bypass a caller ID block on a land line, only those equipped with an "enhanced 911" system can utilize a cell phone's GPS feature, and most can only zero in to a relatively broad area.

Yes, an agency can contact the cell phone provider and have them do the tracking, but the red tape (and precious time used) is horrendous.

Theophilus
February 20, 2011, 10:04 PM
QUOTE: Am I missing the OP's question? Is it not, "When do you give up, roll over, and beg rather than fight?
(guess I haven't figured out how to use the real quote feature yet)

No, that's not what I'm saying. I was thinking of a situation that was in my local paper - guy answers a knock on the door, two women ask to use phone (no, I won't answer the door like that!). Anyway, then three guys barrel in, armed, and hit the guy on the head a few times, take some stuff and leave. Which just made me wonder - if he pulls a gun, does he live to tell the story? I know it's impossible to predict how something will go down - I was just glad to hear that this family survived (he had kids in the house, like I do). And so I asked myself - when is it better not to pull the weapon?

therewolf
February 20, 2011, 10:09 PM
...unless barking dogs make you a nervous wreck.

Personally, I'd rather have some peace and quiet, and take

the risk of being hit by a BG, over constantly putting up daily with the

unrestrained antics of some shrill, yapping, rat.

BGutzman
February 20, 2011, 10:34 PM
A well trained German Shepherd or Doberman can be trained to be dang near silent except for vocalizing low growls and whatever else you allow.

I am not an expert in this area, my wife however is and has done so professionally.

orionengnr
February 20, 2011, 11:02 PM
Yep, we have three dogs that never utter a peep until someone beats on the door or comes through the door. And once it is established that the visitor is welcome, no worries.

Best alarm system I've ever seen, and I could not ask for more. They don't require electricity or a monthly monitoring fee.

armsmaster270
February 20, 2011, 11:20 PM
+1 on 911 first
I have a dog 1/4 Rott,1/4 Pit, 1/4Lab & 1/4 Aus. Queensland who is very protective of the house & goes ape when anyone approaches until we have presented them to her for inspection.
Stay in your room with the wife cover the door, Don't go searching let the police do that. I have my two carry guns & a shotgun in my bedroom and all guns in my safe are loaded. When I grab one out I don't have to guess if it is unloaded and safe. I know it isn't.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/armsmaster270/Guns/SafeHandguns.jpg

BGutzman
February 20, 2011, 11:28 PM
And if you have kids in different rooms in different areas?

Shootin Chef
February 20, 2011, 11:53 PM
I was thinking of a situation that was in my local paper - guy answers a knock on the door, two women ask to use phone (no, I won't answer the door like that!). Anyway, then three guys barrel in, armed, and hit the guy on the head a few times, take some stuff and leave. Which just made me wonder - if he pulls a gun, does he live to tell the story?

Well, that's a bit different than the bump in the night scenario you posed originally. He was already face to face with his attackers who had the drop on him, to pull a weapon at that point in time would probably have been suicidal and escalated the situation.
At that point, I would try to de-escalate by telling them to take what they want, please don't hurt anyone, and if he was really smart he would direct them to the large, heavy valuable things first so they make off with less (dvd/dvr/home stereo stuff).

gearhounds
February 21, 2011, 12:19 AM
"Announcing to the intruders that you are armed not only tells the approximately where you are it gives away your ability to suprise them which may make the difference between you and your family surviving the encounter or not."

Sorry, but if you announce that the law is on the way, and that you are armed and will shoot any intruder you see, they will leave, and quickly. You lose nothing, unless the sole purpose of entering the house was to hunt you down and kill you.

If you have kids on different levels, I'm sure you have a better plan than just stalking and shooting. Hopefully they will go to ground, rather than becoming a potential accidental target.

output
February 21, 2011, 01:26 PM
I’ll grab the gun 10 out of 10 times. Having in my hands beats not having in my hands all 10 times. The first thing I do is wake my spouse and the second thing I do is grab my firearm as she is calling the police.

Since there is only her and I in our home, there is no need to make an attempt at clearing my home. She stays on the phone while we bunker down as far away from the door as possible with cover, and I guard the door. Nothing in our home is irreplaceable. If they wish to do us harm…I am not going to give them the upper-hand.

I hope that helped.

Ben Towe
February 21, 2011, 02:04 PM
Never.

markj
February 21, 2011, 04:20 PM
Why just last night I heard stealthy footsteps in the hallway. Glad Ididnt kill the dude, it was my son.

Old houses settle at night after the sun goes down, they will make loud sounds that may scare a person. My hot water heater has calcified the rod again (well water) so when it heats up it knocks real loud. The water softener also comes on at times and makes noise that isnt a normal sound for many folks.

Use common sense here, get a barker dog, use motion sensors, lock the door and use good locks. Keep windows locked and a tiny bell on a fishline hung from the window will alert you to its opening.

HD is having a plan, securing the property and preventing entry. Do this and sleep lika a baby at night without worry.

My favorite Marine (NAM 68-70 and White house detail signed letter from the president and all that) has tiny little cameras all over his 5 acres along with the above mentioned stuff.

I also gots a favorite AF guy, 25 years, was a Secret Serviceman for H bush gots pics, signed letters etc. I often ask him about HD stuff and get good solid advise. I posted it here for all. Dont cost mush cash either.


Be safe

Rufus T Firefly
February 22, 2011, 12:59 AM
Understand the laws in your State.
The state laws will validate your use or lack of use.
Of course I would keep it in the safe if you take Ambient or sleep drugs. At least then when you wake up driving your car in the middle of the night, you won't have a weapon.

triumph666
February 22, 2011, 01:52 AM
The only guns i leave in my safe are the ones i'm storing for the moment...I keep 3 guns available. 1 hi cap semi, 1 snub revolver, an 1 compact 12ga...in an emergency i will hand my GF the shotgun and her cellphone and tell her to be prepared to call police.

I would then stick revolver in my shorts pocket and present my full size pistol at my door to my room and listen to try an figure out the situation...If there are unfriendlys in my house then i will have her call police and i will notify intruders they may be shot if they do not leave and police are on the way.

its basically what happened to me when i caught some people in my house before....but even tho i prob shouldnt have i had a high powered flashlight and i made sure anyone could hear me operate my handgun even tho it was already chambered

When i got downstairs the back door was open an i could hear them taking off...never had another break in but the buggers may have been the same ones who robbed all my vehicles multiple times...

thump_rrr
February 22, 2011, 03:40 AM
A well designed alarm system along with a good dog is the first step in home defense if there are children, especially teenagers in the house.
By well designed I mean all windows and doors protected by contacts and even glass break sensors if necessary.
This will allow a reasonable amount of perimiter security and at the same time lessen the chance of a teenager trying to sneak in or out undetected.
We have all heard the stories of someone shooting or almost shooting one of their loved ones because they heard something.

If the dog barks or the alarm rings then the plan comes into action and everyone in the home should go where they were told to go and do what they were told to do ahead of time.

I have a keypad in my room so even if someone authorized is entering though the entry door I hear the time delay beeper chime.
If they don't key in the proper code in 10 seconds then the alarm goes off and there is no need to call 911 because the alarm company will be calling me.

With the price of video surveilance being what it is these days it doesn't cost a whole lot to have a few wireless IP cams around the perimiter of your home either.
This is the area I'll be addressing next in my ever changing home security system.

FireForged
February 22, 2011, 07:43 PM
Sorry, but if you announce that the law is on the way, and that you are armed and will shoot any intruder you see, they will leave, and quickly. You lose nothing, unless the sole purpose of entering the house was to hunt you down and kill you.

Sorry, but this proclamation is based on the idea that most intruder/burglars make decision based on common sense and a balance of threat-vs-gain-vs consequence. I agree that it is entirely possible that if you shout at a criminal, they will leave but to claim that this will happen or is likely to happen is just wishful thinking. It is more fair to say that this action may help, and may not.

Many crimes and certainly many violent crimes have nothing to do with common sense or gain vs consequence. If that were the case, people would not risk life in prison for the contents of a 7/11 cash drawer. A lack of impulse control, hateful indifference to others, immediate need-coupled with addiction is more likely to be what drives many violent criminals.

Nnobby45
February 22, 2011, 07:51 PM
Say Petit family and drive them to the bank to get your money.

Your choice.


Right. Consider that a fluke and just drive Bubba to the ATM while the others are with your loved ones, and believe them when they say you and your family won't be harmed when you get back.

Just because the women were raped (in front of the others) and then burned alive, doesn' mean that will happen to you and yours if you decice on the passive approach.

Yes, it sometimes happens that the home invaders will eliminate all witnesses, but you'll just have to risk it, since your
family will be safer if you let Bubba and his friends decide their fate.

And remember that there aren't many creeps out there like those two who planned everything in advance and got excited at about the rapes and murders they knew they were going to commit.



If you take charge there could be gunfire and somebody could get hurt. Don't risk it. Might be better if you weren't armed, like the Petit family , since you could be tempted to actually fight back.

OK, seriously::cool:

Don't quite understand why you're asking others what to do in a situation likely be unique to you, but what you do or don't do will be your call ---same as for the rest of us. Unless you have a quick opening key pad safe, you might as well not be armed. :cool:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dr-william-petit-testifies-trial-familys-alleged-murderer/story?id=11633236

youngunz4life
February 22, 2011, 09:16 PM
You leave the gun in the safe when you don't

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Understand the laws in your State.

sorry rufus, this comment is just over the top to me. there isn't one state where the gun would have to be in the safe in the first place. Please let me know if I am wrong about this point since I have been wrong before. People have all different kinds of safes and/or safe scenarios as well, so there isn't anything wrong with safes. It is a safety from children as well. I will say that my/our safe scenario is a neglible time difference, so the safe willnot put a damper on our plans. Besides that, we also have an alarm anyways which is the best pregame you have or at least as good as a dog.

BGutzman
February 22, 2011, 10:24 PM
Never Mind... :o

Nnobby45
February 22, 2011, 11:08 PM
If surrender works for you, hey I guess thats ok but its not part of my plan.

I think you're teasing, you can't be serious... I must have read this wrong...

Oh well


At the bottom of my post I said "OK, seriously........".

That's a good tip off that the previous part wasn't serious.

In fact it was meant to be rediculous to illustrate the obsurdity of surrendering to sociopathic, violent home invaders---like the two who raped, and burned their victims alive to cover their tracks---or maybe because they just enjoyed it.:cool:

sirsloop
February 22, 2011, 11:37 PM
I have enough bullets loaded up within arms reach to handle more than two people. Ain't no way I'd willingly let someone get the drop on me if I had any way of stopping it, especially in my own house.

Old Wanderer
February 23, 2011, 01:45 AM
Because I travel I had this addition to my home alarm added. It is a simple push-button that hangs on a chain near the bed. (Did this for my wife).

Pushing it activates a "Hot Prowl" alert, and the police are dispatched.

No other alarm is sounded, and no phone calls are made.

Yes I would always get my 12 ga as my #1 choice, or my handgun and my #2 choice, and turn the yappy Chiwawa loose. He hates everybody.

Don P
February 23, 2011, 08:42 AM
Safe at the bed not needed in our house. No kids.

Glenn Bartley
February 23, 2011, 08:56 AM
For example, if from the noise you suspect that there are more than one or two criminals involved? At what point (if any) do you make the decision that pulling the gun might escalate things in a way that works against you? Are you, in essence, asking at what point do you surrender to the armed intruders or just say - hey here we are, we are at your mercy? It almost seems that way to me. There may be times not to defend yourself but remember if you choose to do that, you have put yourself at the mercy of the bad guys and all to often they are anything other than merciful.

All the best,
Glenn B

Theophilus
February 23, 2011, 09:09 AM
OK, I'm the original poster. Some of you guys have just been killing me over what was, I admit, a dumb question. That's ok - in fact, reading all the discussion has been educational. For someone like me - no history of gun ownership, and just got my first HD weapon - the realization that pulling that thing out now means that a) I might be using it and b) an intruder is going to respond to me, for better or worse, as a guy who is about to shoot him - that thought is actually pretty intense for someone not used to it. But reading this thread has helped crystallize for me the reality that the intruder escalated things when he forced his way into my home. I'm not escalating anything by having a gun.
I have a safe by my bed b/c I have kids ages 6-14. Maybe I will get a bedside holster for overnight use. There's alot of responsibility that goes along with all this, but heck I knew that when I signed up to be a dad.

Shootin Chef
February 23, 2011, 11:41 AM
My father had guns all over the house, my brother and I never touched them because we knew that to do so would invoke a wrath worse than what's apparently contained within the Ark of Covenant.

Show your kids your weapon, take away the mystery, and teach them never to touch it without permission, and you probably won't need the safe until your collection grows to large to fit in the nightstand :D

WW2
February 23, 2011, 02:14 PM
You can get a quick opening handgun safe and mount it near your bed. This way you can keep the gun in the safe and have very quick access when needed.

For example, see http://www.gunvault.com/handgun-safes/multi-vault-biometric.html

BGutzman
February 23, 2011, 08:20 PM
I have a safe right next to my bed, its called my holster and as soon as my feet touch the floor its on or near my body. :)

FAS1
February 24, 2011, 08:29 AM
My HD handgun is mounted on my bed frame so at home I can't imagine that I would not have the opportunity to get to my gun before they were too close to get it safely. They have to defeat multiple layers of security first.

http://www.fas1safe.com/images/1242157303935102392626.jpeg

http://www.fas1safe.com/images/12421583724691669415992.jpeg

Skans
February 24, 2011, 08:43 AM
If there is no question that there are multiple attackers in my house. They've probably cut the phone lines. My cell phone is not by my bed. I keep a semi-auto 30-06 with a fully loaded 20 round magazine in my closet. I'm going to come out blasting, and have my Glock as a backup.

boogy886
February 24, 2011, 11:28 AM
"My father had guns all over the house, my brother and I never touched them because we knew that to do so would invoke a wrath worse than what's apparently contained within the Ark of Covenant.
Show your kids your weapon, take away the mystery, and teach them never to touch it without permission, and you probably won't need the safe until your collection grows to large to fit in the nightstand "

This is how I was raised, how my nieces and nephews are raised, and how my kids will be raised. Guns are in a cabinet, with a closing door, but that cabinet is off limits unless supervised by an adult.

Point is, safe's are a waste of time, especially in this scenario...IMO

Hiker 1
February 24, 2011, 11:42 AM
assuming you have a handgun in a safe by the bed

Personally, I don't keep my handgun in the safe at night. Too hard to access.

gearhounds
February 24, 2011, 12:07 PM
"Sorry, but this proclamation is based on the idea that most intruder/burglars make decision based on common sense and a balance of threat-vs-gain-vs consequence. I agree that it is entirely possible that if you shout at a criminal, they will leave but to claim that this will happen or is likely to happen is just wishful thinking. It is more fair to say that this action may help, and may not."

I agree that MOST criminals make decisions not based on common sense. I do believe, however, that unless they are legitemately insane, or on something, that faced with an armed, equally determined defender that just happens to have the huge tactical advantage of obvious knowledge of the lay of the land (not to mention the time gap for success/escape is shrinking),
fight or flight instinct will likely (there's that word again) push them toward escape. There are no guarantees, in this scenario, or in life, and if the small percentage wants to enter my funnel, I'll gladly do society a favor.

Think about it: go looking for an armed intruder that may hear your approach and pick an ambush spot? Poor choice. Wait quietly to ambush them and hope when you decide to light them up that they are what they appear to be, and not a loved one/someone you know? Slightly less bad, but filled with potential disaster. If I had to shoot an intruder, I would rather face a jury in our over litigious society armed with the fact that I tried to avoid taking a life before doing so. Even an obvious ****'s.

Scout
February 24, 2011, 12:15 PM
I don't think it's a very good idea to announce that you're armed and the cops are coming, etc. If someone is in the house I think you should take a position, quietly and kill the intruder(s) when he presents himself.

Shootin Chef
February 24, 2011, 12:22 PM
Think about it: go looking for an armed intruder that may hear your approach and pick an ambush spot?

That's why you learn and practice good room clearing technique for your home, and try to think about tactical movement when you set up your furniture.
Never leave your laser on, and never ever keep your flashlight on when moving through the house. Gun hand up on the crossed under wrist of the light holding hand with hands back to back. You can then toggle the light from the butt end on and off, click-check and click-off, then move all while keeps a stable platform to shoot from.

That's how I was taught anyway, and that's how SWAT and the sheriffs dept. does/did it.
Chef

gearhounds
February 24, 2011, 12:39 PM
Mods- forgive the language. Just copspeak for a bad guy.

OK, we could "what if" this forever, but what if the "intruder" is someone you know? Or an injured driver looking for aid? Or a dumb kid doing it on a dare? Most likely, none of the above. How are you going to identify your threat? Start shooting, or challenge when you see them? Reaction time measured in milliseconds may not be enough. My challenge will be made from the forbidding dark unknown, followed by silence. An intruder will expect the owner to be armed and/or dangerous regardless.

I know not everyone has the luxury of reasonably fast police response, and to rely solely on it is equally dangerous. Each scenario will be different. Dogs, security systems (when activated), camera's, etc can all help, but the most important factor should be to have a plan and practice it.

chef- I bet swat trained you to do all these things with a team, or at least with a partner. I also bet the training applied to breaching and taking a known or legitemately suspected hostile environment, not as a single resource. I agree, a light or laser should be only be used to gain a tactical advantage, not the other way around.

Glenn E. Meyer
February 24, 2011, 03:31 PM
You can trigger from your safe room and/or various other commonly used places in the house.

This is in response to the wave of posts on an intruder.

1. I'd challenge
2. I'd ID
3. NO ID - darn it, he is a demon and the Castle Doctrine protects me from shooting a mistaken idiot who entered the house.
4. Silently ambush them
5. Rack the shotgun repeatedly - :D
6. You are a coward and contributing to the fall of civilization if you don't shoot'em dead.

How about - you hear someone doing something to the door and you can start the whole showdown by a very loud alarm that calls the cops.

That way, maybe, you can avoid being a discussion and story.

That's my tac tip for the day, given the recent shoot'em up debates.

Shootin Chef
February 24, 2011, 03:44 PM
chef- I bet swat trained you to do all these things with a team, or at least with a partner. I also bet the training applied to breaching and taking a known or legitemately suspected hostile environment, not as a single resource. I agree, a light or laser should be only be used to gain a tactical advantage, not the other way around.

I can't say Gear, my father was the SWAT officer (in his younger days) not me, so you may be correct. That's just how he instructed me to use a flashlight when doing a dark room clear.

gearhounds
February 24, 2011, 04:33 PM
No doubt, a good light is an invaluable tool. I never have less than 2 on me at any given time, and 3 when on duty, day or night.

Daugherty16
February 25, 2011, 11:17 AM
A dog is your best early warning system, unless your yard and drive are wired with cameras and trip sensors. Most dogs will warn you long BEFORE the BG is actually in the house, giving you those necessary precious seconds or minutes to gather family, arm, barricade, and call. Not knocking alarms, but they only trip when the BG is already IN the house. Also, even a lap dog can make a lot of noise, and if you know your dog, there is a play bark, an annoyed bark for the squirrels, and a danger bark for intruders. Definitely different sounds. Big dogs may not be practical depending on where you live, but they add a serious physical threat to the would-be intruder.

Gun right beside the head is generally considered very bad juju. Too easy to grab before you actually wake up and shake out the cobwebs, grab it while in a nightmare/dream, etc. Really, the two steps to cross your room could save lives you care about, and won't seriously impact your self defense unless the BG is already in your room. In which case, the two steps don't matter, as your options may be limited to a furious physical attack on the BG.

My situation: because everyone sleeps on the 2nd floor but kids are down the hall, my plan is wife on cell ready to call 911, me hugging open doorway, listening, assessing, and covering stairs, will gather kids if situation assessment allows, and then the barricade-in-the-bedroom is in play. Otherwise, no one will come up the stairs. 13-rd .45 auto, with 12 round spare mag + 500 lumen torch, should present a barrier to climbing the stairs until the cops can arrive.

Would prefer 12ga but safe is in my office, between BR and kids rooms. Besides, the pistol holds a lot of rounds. Unless i remember to unblock the mag, shottie only holds 3.

trustygun25
February 25, 2011, 11:45 AM
I always reach for the night stand, i would rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.;)

cnimrod
February 25, 2011, 06:17 PM
and not need it but maybe a better question is how do you carry it as you are searching your house? Having been through this experience once - I'm the only one home - what the heck was that noise? I still had the well publicized case of the father shooting his daughter who hid in a closet and jumped out to scare him in my mind.
Now i have a dog, much easier to let him go first

Shootin Chef
February 25, 2011, 08:38 PM
I was seeing a girl a few months ago who decided to pop over for a visit without letting me know. I was at my computer in a spare bedroom when I heard the back door open (I had left it unlocked), my dog going nuts (as he always does with other people), and I came around the corner and ended up almost poking her in the nose with my shotgun.
Always up, always ready to at least challenge with the barrel, if not fire.

I'm not interested in shooting anyone, I honestly had not even racked a shell into the chamber, and it wasn't really her fault since I had let her just walk in before (although I knew she was coming then).

I'm going to react the same way every time. Grab my HD weapon, and go on the offensive to make sure I hold the center area of my house, which is designed like the hub of a wheel.