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Hylander
February 13, 2011, 02:28 AM
Considering an 1858 Steel frame
Pros and Cons of each please

Bill Akins
February 13, 2011, 05:38 AM
My experience is that Pietta and Uberti today are about equal on fit and finish. Some people say the Uberti is marginally better in fit and finish, and that may have been true comparing the Uberti's with earlier Pietta's. But Pietta has come up a lot in quality and I would put them now in the same quality as Uberti. Although for some inexplicable reason the Uberti's still seem to command a higher price than the Piettas on gunbroker auctions. Trust me, you will hear some people say Uberti's are better while others will argue that Pietta's are just as good. Truth is, they are both good with the Pietta's usually being less expensive because of the past impression that Uberti's are better lingers on.

So although quality fit and finish these days are about the same, there still are some differences between the Uberti and Pietta 1858 Remingtons.

The Pietta 1858 Remy will sometimes have a bit larger grip than the Uberti.
Which is good for larger hands. Although I have 3 Pietta 1858's and my stainless one has a larger grip and grip frame than my other two 1858 Piettas. Go figure.

The Uberti has a slightly longer cylinder than the Pietta. So a Pietta cylinder will fit in an Uberti but shouldn't be used because that creates to much of a barrel to cylinder gap. Likewise the cartridge conversion cylinders for the Pietta will fit into an Uberti, but shouldn't be used for the same excessive barrel to cylinder gap reasons. Bottom line, either one you get you have to use their own particular cylinders in them and also cartridge conversion cylinder made specifically for that brand.

The other differences are that the Uberti dovetails its front sight into the top of the barrel. Uberti also dovetails its loading rammer latch attachment into the bottom of the barrel. In contrast, Pietta silver solders both its front sight into a hole in the top of the barrel and also silver solders its loading rammer latch into a hole on the bottom of the barrel.

Here's a comparison between the 1858 Pietta that does not dovetail the front sight and loading lever catch stud under the barrel, vs the 1858 Uberti dovetailed ones. Uberti on the left and Pietta on the right.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3797/sighty.jpg

Earlier Uberti 1858 Remy's back in the 70's were not dovetailed. But today they are while Pietta's are not. Here's an interesting article from the firing line that covers some of this from back in Aug 2010....
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4197694

I will say that I believe the sideways tapped in dovetailed front sight and dovetailed loading rammer attachment of the Uberti are more secure than the silver soldered on ones of the Pietta's and earlier production Uberti's.
That is a plus for recent and current production Uberti 1858 Remys in my opinion. Although I don't own an Uberti anything at this time but do own four Pietta's (3 1858 Pietta Remys & one 1860 Pietta) and like them very much.

Again, they are both good quality 1858 Remington reproductions.

Hope this helped you.


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Doc Hoy
February 13, 2011, 06:44 AM
....for two hundred bucks, I'd get the Pietta.

If you decide it isn't good enough you can almost always sell it and lose only about twenty five bucks. Or keep it.....An Uberti 1858 and a Pietta 1858 is better than just an Uberti 1858.

mykeal
February 13, 2011, 07:43 AM
An Uberti 1858 and a Pietta 1858 is better than just an Uberti 1858.
Now that should be a sticky at the top of this forum!

Rick57
February 13, 2011, 11:23 AM
I bought a Pietta 1858 Remington from Cabelas a couple of years ago and have been very happy with it. Fit and finish are top notch! Takes .454 sized balls. My only complaint is that the nipples are a little small for #11 CCI caps. Remington #10 caps fit better but are harder to find locally. Aftermarket nipples are available that will take #11 caps.

Hylander
February 13, 2011, 01:38 PM
Thanks all :)
Do the Uberti take the .454 as well or does it favor the .457 like the ROA ?
I like the fact that Uberti dovetails the front sight and Ramrod latch.
I used to have a Nickle Peitta about 5 years ago, loved it, would put 5 shots into one hole at 10yds., but the 6th would be out about 1", it was always
the same Cyl. :confused: also most of the nipples were where not drill though.
When I called Pietta's CS in Italy, I actually got Mr. Peitta :eek: Sent me replacement nipples in 4 days, I still have the envolope thay came in mailed from Italy :D

Earlier Uberti 1858 Remy's back in the 70's were not dovetailed. But today they are while Pietta's are not. Here's an interesting article from the firing line that covers some of this from back in Aug 2010....
http://thefiringline.com/forums/show....php?p=4197694

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Bill Akins
February 13, 2011, 08:14 PM
Hylander wrote:
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Sorry about the broken link. I went back and fixed it plus here it is again....

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4197694

Hylander
February 13, 2011, 10:04 PM
Well I just got back from a local Stealer
He had a new Uberti 1858 Blued Model, box says "New Improved Model" or something to that effect.
It is Gorgeous, Fit and finish look great, Lockup is tight and Actoin is Butter smoooth, also front sight is perfectly stright, so barrel is clocked correct.
I noticed that on Uberti's web site that the 1858 is pictured without dovetails.
Anyway, Price was $329, I may have to go back tomorrow and get it,
Unless I can save getting one online

Model-P
February 13, 2011, 11:04 PM
Lincoln?:eek: Yuba City here.:)

Hylander
February 14, 2011, 12:44 AM
Lincoln? Yuba City here.

Howd'y
Is there anyone local that has a Pietta in stock I could check out ?

Bill Akins
February 14, 2011, 01:00 AM
Hylander, why pay $329.00 for a blue one when you can get a stainless 1858 Remy Uberti here for $359.95 and it has both dovetails.....
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=215385772

Then here's a 1979 era earlier Uberti 1858 Remy stainless with holster at $225.00 although from the pics I can't tell if it has the dovetails or not.....
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=215215382

I just hate to see you pay $329.00 for a blue Uberti 1858 Remy when you can get a stainless Uberti 1858 Remy for just a little more or even for much less.

And here's some links to stainless Pietta 1858 Remys....
Started at $265.00
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=215368910

Started at $100.00
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216028655

Trust me Hylander, go stainless or at least nickel. You will never regret it.
It cleans sooo much easier and no cold blue touchup ever needed and practically no rust ever. Don't be in a hurry and do an impulse buy that will cost you more. SHOP. Keep a watch on the one's I clued you to above.

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Hylander
February 14, 2011, 01:58 AM
Thanks Bill
I'm really leaning toward a new Blued model.
Although I am watching and will probably bid on the last one you linked.

sewerman
February 14, 2011, 09:06 AM
i have no complaints on the four piettas purchased from cabela's this pass year.

i agree that pietta has improved their quality.

as with anything man made a person can always get a boo-boo.

that just tells me someone in quality control is speanding more time looking at the hottie next to him or at the breakroom then where he's supposed to be.

happens in all industries....a human fraility....another augument for robots....:).

S.M.

kadima
February 14, 2011, 09:38 AM
However a robot won't discuss with you on the phone how to fix your pistol and send you the spares accordingly as it happened to me last year with my Uberti Remington 1858....

K.

Model-P
February 14, 2011, 01:25 PM
Is there anyone local that has a Pietta in stock I could check out ?

None that I know of. Sorry.

I have to agree that price for a blued Uberti seems high. I also have to agree that stainless is a wonderful option. But, I also understand the idea of using blued steel to experience it all just as they did back in the day. My first gun was a stainless Uberti 1858 Remington, and I still love it! A couple years ago I bought a Pietta 1860, but I had to have it in blued steel to relive history the way it was.

Hylander
February 14, 2011, 08:37 PM
I have to agree that price for a blued Uberti seems high

The cheapest I found online was $315 plus shipping, so it is pretty much a wash, only for the few extra bucks I get to handle it before I buy.
Although the Cabelas Pietta for $199 is sounding good

ClemBert
February 14, 2011, 10:39 PM
For the same exact price I'd take an Uberti just about any day over a Pietta. But, alas, that is rarely the case. Usually, you are going to pay a good bit more for an Uberti over a Pietta. So, it boils down to how much money you have to pee-pee away. It is hard to walk away from some of those sales that Cabelas has on Piettas.

I have a rather small collection of BP revolvers. 2 Rugers, 2 Ubertis, and 3 Piettas. Not that a small sampling proves any point but I like the quality of my BP revolvers is this order: Ruger, Uberti, Pietta. For the price I very much like the Piettas.

Bill Akins
February 14, 2011, 10:45 PM
Hylander, here's some more I picked out for you to check out.

Nice .44 1858 Pietta Remy with 5.5 inch barrel. I like this one a lot. At $215.00
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=214546958

Another Pietta 1858 Remy with holster, powder flask and extra cylinder. At $100.00 but reserve not met.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216028653

New in box Pietta Remy with adjustable sights. At zero right now with unknown reserve.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216327495

Same as previous. At $215.00
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216214216


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Model-P
February 14, 2011, 11:19 PM
The cheapest I found online was $315 plus shipping, so it is pretty much a wash, only for the few extra bucks I get to handle it before I buy.


Don't forget to consider local sales taxes.

Bill Akins
February 15, 2011, 04:54 AM
Couple of more 1858 Remys for you to check out Hylander.

This ASM Remy is nice. Says stainless or nickel frame. Comes with very nice like new triple K leather holster, straight line capper, nipple wrench, nipple prick, caps, flask, adjustable sights, 12" target barrel, unfired condition. Read its description. Currently at $235.00 with no bids and no reserve.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216182681

This is a nickel plated Pietta Remy. Unfired, new in orig box with paperwork.
Currently at $200.00 with no bids and no reserve. (I like stainless and nickel :D)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216136602

Hopefully something I send your way will help you. One of the other fellows from here bid and won the fluted, 5 shot, .36 cal, 1862 pocket police I posted telling everyone about here on Sunday. At $115.00 that one was a steal. Glad to see someone from here got it. I would have got it myself but I just bought another one. There are a few good deals out there. Just take your time and keep looking for what you want at the price you want to spend. Resist impulse buying.


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mrappe
February 15, 2011, 03:31 PM
My preferences are:

Finish
1) Case Hardened Frame - very nice looking.
2) Blued Frame - Most historically accurate.
3) Nickel Frame
4) Stainless Frame - While practical it does not fit with my historical fanaticism.

Manufacturer
1) Cimmaron - best fit an finish - made with Uberti parts
2) Uberti - Pietta Tied but Pietta is cheaper, Would have to compare a Uberti 58 to my Pietta 58 as for looks. I have Uberti made SAAs and they are nice but not see a 58
3) Armi San Marco - I have a SAA made by them from EMF and the fit and finish was excellent but it is hard to get parts for them since they are no longer in business.
4) Ruger Old Army - Made well and very strong but only vaguely resemble a 58 Rem. If you don't want to be historically accurate then it is a good gun.

For $199 I would get the Pietta. I got mine from Cabelas about 10 - 12 yrs ago and it is great. I think I paid about $160 back then.

mrappe
February 15, 2011, 03:36 PM
Here's a comparison between the 1858 Pietta that does not dovetail the front sight and loading lever catch stud under the barrel, vs the 1858 Uberti dovetailed ones. Uberti on the left and Pietta on the right.




I don't recall any of the originals having dovetails. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

rdstrain49
February 15, 2011, 04:31 PM
They also didn't use non-corrosive caps or BP substitute. I like non-corrosive caps, use Pyrodex out of necessity, and prefer dovetail front sights for what should be obvious reasons. It's all a matter of personal preference. :)

Hardcase
February 15, 2011, 04:33 PM
The 1863 version of the 1858 (which is what we buy today) came with a screw in blade, not a dovetail. I believe, though, that the change from dovetail to screw in front sight was the last one made to the revolver.

A case might be made that the dovetail is authentic because Remington, like most other gun makers, didn't make a hard transition from one style to another. The company used up its supply of old parts first, so it seems reasonable to assume that there were at least a few dovetailed New Model Armies out there.

Hylander
February 15, 2011, 11:28 PM
Thinking about getting the Cabelas 1858 that is on sale for $199
Does anyone know when the sale ends ?
Also anyone have a Cabelas coupon code they are not going to use ?

Doc Hoy
February 16, 2011, 05:35 AM
...even Cabela's knows when the Cabela's sale will end. The people who answer the phone when you call them, will only say that the sale will run until the supply is exhausted.

Bill Akins
February 16, 2011, 06:47 AM
Here's a prime example for newbies of what to steer away from.

Go to this link and read the description for this 1863 baby Remy.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=214546000

Notice how the seller said...."THIS GUN IS IN MINT CONDITION, NOT A MARK ON IT. 100% EXCELLENT IN EVERY WAY"

Yet even without blowing the photos up, I can clearly see at least some ringing on the cylinder and dings on the leading edges of the cylinder slots. Nothing that it wouldn't get from normal usage, but hardly mint condition and definitely with marks on it. So seller's description was untrue.

Then notice seller charges $25.00 for shipping and insur. But you could send that tiny BP revolver in a USPO "if it fits it ships" box for about $5.00 and insurance is usually only about $1.00 per hundred of insurance. So that means shipping really only costs the seller about $7.00, so he is making an extra $18.00 profit by overcharging for shipping.

Then there's the fact that Cabelas has this revolver on sale right now for $200.00 and this used, ringed and dinged one is already up to $180.75 by bidders who don't know any better. That's why I'm posting this example so newbies here WILL know better.

Sure it has a little holster with it that you wouldn't get with the one at Cabelas. But that doesn't make up for the untrue description and overcharged shipping costs.



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Hawg
February 16, 2011, 06:54 AM
I wouldn't call it ringed and dinged. Yeah it's been turned a time or two but methinks you're splitting hairs on the description. There's nothing about the condition of the gun that would put me off and if it was cheap enough to offset the shipping I'd go for it if I wanted one.

Bill Akins
February 16, 2011, 07:02 AM
Hawg, a brand new one at Cabelas is on sale right now for $200.00 so this one ISN'T cheap enough to offset the overcharged shipping fees.
and this one is already up to $180.75 and may go higher by bidders who don't know any better. By buying a new one from Cabelas if anything was wrong with it you could take it back even if it took you a month before you discovered a problem with it. With this one you get a 3 day inspection and if problems, have to pay to ship it back and then wait and hope the seller sends your money back.

And it isn't the slight ring and cylinder slot dings on the cylinder. I acknowledged in my post that you would get that very fast from just normal operating.

It's the fact that the seller said it was "mint condition" and "didn't have a mark on it" and also overcharges (A LOT) for shipping. That's what is the point and that's what I was warning newbies to watch out for. If a seller is untrue with the description and then ALSO overcharges a lot on shipping, that is an example of one for newbies to learn to steer away from.
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olmontanaboy
February 16, 2011, 07:26 AM
I like the Uberti better, I've had the Pietta Remingtons and Colts as well as the Ubertis. I don't care for the stampings Pietta uses on the barrels, also the newer Ubertis use forged frames. I know cast steel is strong enough for black powder but I like the fact that the Ubertis are forged anyway. The Ubertis are about 1/3 more in cost but it's worth it to me. Neither are perfect.:)

Hawg
February 16, 2011, 07:32 AM
Hawg, a brand new one at Cabelas is on sale right now for $200.00 so this one ISN'T cheap enough to offset the overcharged shipping fees.

I understand that, its why I said if.:D

Bill Akins
February 16, 2011, 07:43 AM
Ya got me there Hawg. Now if Bill Clinton was here, he'd be saying "It's all according to what your definition of "IF" is." :D


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Doc Hoy
February 16, 2011, 09:28 AM
I only want to register my agreement with Bill on the point of the shipping.

A Walker can be shipped to any ZIP code for 15.00 including $400.00 in insurance. In conus it will arrive in two to three days.

For those sellers who want to make more on their revolvers, tack it onto the price of the revolver. Don't hide it in the shipping.

OR

If the shipping really costs $30.00. provide an enhancement in the shipping that makes it worth twice the price. For example - "$30.00 Overnight" Having to drive to the post office is not valid, because the letter carrier will pick up flat rate boxes for no charge. And flat rate boxes can be order and delivered to the sender's door for free.

Many consider only the final cost of the revolver including the charge for shipping which of course is a very valid approach and one I do not propose to criticize in any way. To me it is the principle of the thing.

Bill Akins
February 16, 2011, 11:28 PM
That used and lightly ringed and lightly dinged 1863 baby Remy on gunbroker that I warned about sold for $211.00 plus $25.00 shipping, total= $236.00
when a brand new unused, unringed, undinged one is on sale at Cabelas for $200.00 plus tax. Go figure. It's bidders not knowing any better. Hopefully with all the good advice at this forum, that won't happen to our members.



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Hylander
February 17, 2011, 01:32 AM
So I went to a local Stealer that had 2 brand new Traditions Piettas.
Are the ones sold under Traditions seconds ?
I ask because they where not well made at all :barf:
One was a 5.5' .36 cal 1858, other was a Brass framed 8" 1858
On both; Actions were stiff and sticky, Wood to metel fit was bad, Ramrod levers were stiff and the end of the plungers were they contact the balls was rough and contacted the Cylinders, Blueing was not great.
Pistol's when cocked, the hammers would not always catch, then when you pulled the trigger they were sluggish to fire.
Maybe these were NOS
Now I'm leaning back to the Uberti

arcticap
February 17, 2011, 02:33 AM
Every company makes a percentage of lemons, seconds & booboos.
Even Midway recently sold some Uberti factory refurb's. that were probably from their warranty repair dept.
There wouldn't be any refurb's if there weren't some returns or booboos to begin with. :)

WyomingWhitetail
February 17, 2011, 12:44 PM
well i ordered a 58 from cabela's last night. wanted one for a long time and it finally occurred to me to just buy the darn thing. My dad has a 60 army that he bought a long time ago from cabela's that is a blast to shoot. Can't wait till the 58 gets hear. i got the pistol and a starter kit for 249 plus shipping which i figured was good since right now i don't have any black powder stuff like powder measures or flasks. So do .454 round balls generally shoot well out these pistols or do most get better results with .457 balls?

Doc Hoy
February 17, 2011, 01:04 PM
The set will get you started but you will still need powder and caps.

Don't forget hearing and eye protection (Which you probably already have.)

WyomingWhitetail
February 17, 2011, 01:30 PM
yea i need to find caps and powder. this stupid town doesn't have any sporting goods stores so ill have to go to the next town over to find some triple f or pyrodex or something.

arcticap
February 17, 2011, 01:38 PM
So do .454 round balls generally shoot well out these pistols or do most get better results with .457 balls?

With the Pietta 1858's, I think that it's split about 50/50 between using .451 and .454 balls.
The .451 balls will have the smallest of a lead ring shaved from them on loading.
Using a loading press makes the loading of larger balls easier.
Accuracy may be a little better with the larger .454 balls at the sacrifice of loading ease.
Then there are inexpensive loading stands that hold the revolver upright while being loaded.
The Uberti's tend to favor loading the larger .454 & .457 balls.
The Ruger Old Army uses .457 balls.

Doc Hoy
February 17, 2011, 02:50 PM
When I cast .454s I actually get somewhere between .454 and .4555. I find this is true almost no matter what I am using in the way of metal. I have heard of shrinkage of the balls as they cool down but if this is the case, they seem not to be shrinking to the stamped size of the molds I am using. .451 gives me bullets up to .453 and .457 molds produce up to .458 or perhaps even higher. I am using a tightwad's digital caliper but my measurements with that tool comport with a Starret micrometer.

I think the kit has .451s.

Hope this is not viewed as hijacking the thread.

Hylander
February 17, 2011, 06:06 PM
Well I went back to the loacal shop tht has the Uberti.
Gave it a real good going over, it seems perfect in every way :cool:
I'm going to go back Saturday and Measure the Chambers, if they measure correct, I may have to bring it home

Hylander
February 17, 2011, 10:52 PM
Change in plans :eek:
Just ordered a Pietta 1858 from Cabelas :D
Shows it is in stock, so I should have it by the end of next week or so.
Thanks for all the input, I may still have to go buy the Uberti as well ;)

Doc Hoy
February 18, 2011, 04:42 AM
I personally think that is the optimum solution. Two revolvers is always better than one.

poppa59hd
February 18, 2011, 08:52 AM
Personally, I don't think you'd do wrong with either a Uberti or a Pietta. Most of the re-enactors I know seem to favor the Pietta. Why? No real definitive answer, there. I just know if there were one of each on a table, same price, same condition, they would grab the Pietta, first. I have 4 '58 Remingtons (3 Pietta, 1 Uberti) for a cavalry impression I do. Remingtons seem to be the pistol of choice amoung re-enactors since extra loaded cyclinders can be carried and changed out pretty quickly, even on the back of a horse. Some sutlers are even selling a belt holder for extra cylinders. Early speedloaders? The '60 Colt was generally issue for Yankees early in the war even though a lot of Remingtons were sold, too. The Remington became standard issue after
Colts got so expensive about mid-war. Yankees used what they were issued (or bought on their own) and Confederates used what they took from the Yankees. Both the Colts and Remingtons are fun to shoot, but I sorta like the backstrap on the Remington. Seems like a better idea, to me. I suppose that's why Colt began using it on their '73 pistols. Visually, the '60 Colt is the winner, hands down. It just looks good. The stainless is a god's send for b/p pistol shooters, especially the lazier ones. I know numerous re-enactors who have purchased stainless revolvers, then blued or GunKoted them so as to not look too "farby". Wish I woulda done that!
Always remember...............
Yankees-1 Confederates-0 Halftime

olmontanaboy
February 18, 2011, 09:49 AM
So I went to a local Stealer that had 2 brand new Traditions Piettas.
Are the ones sold under Traditions seconds ?
I ask because they where not well made at all
One was a 5.5' .36 cal 1858, other was a Brass framed 8" 1858
On both; Actions were stiff and sticky, Wood to metel fit was bad, Ramrod levers were stiff and the end of the plungers were they contact the balls was rough and contacted the Cylinders, Blueing was not great.
Pistol's when cocked, the hammers would not always catch, then when you pulled the trigger they were sluggish to fire.

Well I went back to the loacal shop tht has the Uberti.
Gave it a real good going over, it seems perfect in every way

Change in plans
Just ordered a Pietta 1858 from Cabelas
Shows it is in stock, so I should have it by the end of next week or so.

I would have thought you would go with the Uberti you were able to inspect in person, I hate mail order as I admit to being rather picky:D. The great thing about buying from Cabelas is if your not satisified with the Pietta you can get your cash back. Good luck with 1858 these are great fun:)

Hylander
February 18, 2011, 10:52 AM
I would have thought you would go with the Uberti you were able to inspect in person, I hate mail order as I admit to being rather picky. The great thing about buying from Cabelas is if your not satisified with the Pietta you can get your cash back. Good luck with 1858 these are great fun

I was all set to go with the Uberti, but I traded a scope for a Cabelas gift card, SOoooooo I'm almost no money out of pocket :)
I too am very picky and don't really like ordering a gun Online, but hearing Cabelas return policy makes me feel better.

Model-P
February 18, 2011, 01:56 PM
There's just something good and American feeling about getting a gun in the mail:D

I hope this weather clears up by the time you get it.

arcticap
February 18, 2011, 03:01 PM
The Pietta replacement cylinders are also much less expensive.
In the event of a return, Cabela's probably wouldn't replace a gift card with cash though. Maybe a store credit or another gift card for all I know.

sewerman
February 20, 2011, 11:34 AM
you can't beat cabelas.

$199.99 ea and at the time i got free shipping!

plus cabelas has a good reputation for customer satifaction.

S.M.

Doc Hoy
February 20, 2011, 01:56 PM
Just came home from the Gun show and it is amazing how many of the vendors either don't know about Cabela's prices or won't admit to knowing. There was very little in the way of BP revolver but virtually every last one of them had a starting price at least 50 dollars higher than new prices.

ROGER4314
February 20, 2011, 02:34 PM
I bought a number of BP pistols from Cabelas and have had absolutely no problems. An adult must be present to sign for the package. The prices are great and quality is very high. I prefer the Pietta pistols but that's just a personal preference based on ease of getting replacement parts.

I have several BP revolvers that are many years old and made before CNC machining was common. There is a vast difference in fit and finish with the new ones coming out way on top!

Don't hesitate to buy the BP pistols from Cabelas. They are a genuine bargain!

Flash

BlackPowderSmoke
February 27, 2011, 11:49 AM
The cheapest I found online was $315 plus shipping, so it is pretty much a wash, only for the few extra bucks I get to handle it before I buy.
Although the Cabelas Pietta for $199 is sounding good
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Doesn't matter because it is obvious that the Pietta is the best choice, but here is the cheapest new Uberti 58 I know of for $295 plus shipping at Imact Arms. (http://www.impactguns.com/store/037084410005.html)

ClemBert
February 27, 2011, 12:05 PM
Doesn't matter because it is obvious that the Pietta is the best choice, but here is the cheapest new Uberti 58 I know of for $295 plus shipping at Imact Arms

But it seems that Impact Arms always has their stuff marked "Out of Stock".

Here are my candidates for the cheapest Uberti 1858 models:

S&S Firearms Uberti 1858 $276 (http://www.ssfirearms.com/images/2010%20Catalog/2010%20Catalog%20main%20firearms.pdf) But you have to call them because I've seen where their catalog price is not up to date.

Buffalo Arms Cimarron imported Uberti 1858 $301 (http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,6691.html)

It's just darn hard to beat the value of a $199 Cabelas 1858. Especially as a starter cap-n-ball revolver.

BlackPowderSmoke
February 27, 2011, 05:19 PM
Clembert,

Darn sure can't beat Pietta price and quality these days. At Cabella's prices my next revolver may just have to be a Pietta.

As for Impact Arms, I noticed when I pulled the link up for this thread that the item was out of stock. When I was considering buying it last year, it they were in stock. Didn't realize that is the norm for them.

Last year, I considered the Uberti 1858 from Impact Arms since it was the cheapest I could find online, then found I could get a Taylor's from a local gun shop a little cheaper and I could handle it before accepting it. Didn't buy that one either, when I realized I could buy two used ones for just a few dollars more. Mine work for a living so being new was of little importance to me.

MEATSAW
March 1, 2011, 02:36 AM
I keep seeing here people saying that Cabela's customer service is top notch. That if you buy an 1860 or 1858 (or whatever) and you do not like it (for whatever reason) that they will take it back and give you another or refund your money.

However I was browsing their site today and in quite blunt terms on their return policy page is states that black powder guns are not eligible for their return policy.

So which is it?

mykeal
March 1, 2011, 08:24 AM
Cabela's has excellent customer service. They will work with you to get a satisfactory result, and the vast majority of people who have problems with Cabela's merchandise report being pleased with the outcome.

However, that refers to defective merchandise. If you get a bad product, they'll pretty much do whatever it takes to satisfy you. If, however, you want to return a product because you find out, for instance, that a perfectly good $200 1858 Remington does not fit your high expectations, well, they may choose to invoke that policy.

It's that 'for whatever reason' thing - it's hard to define.

arcticap
March 1, 2011, 02:48 PM
They don't want folks to send them back, or to know that they can send them back and that they will bend over backwards to satisfy you if they are sent back.

That's why we tell everyone by word of mouth that if you buy from Cabela's that you can send them back.
We all advertise and send Cabela's so much business that they should be paying the forum royalties! :D

Bill Akins
March 2, 2011, 11:01 PM
Here's a couple of more differences between the Uberti 5.5 inch Remy and the Pietta 5.5 inch Remy, besides just the dovetailed sights and lever latch of the Uberti vs the posts of the Pietta.

The silhouette of the ramming lever is different on the Uberti vs the Pietta.
Notice how the Uberti has a shorter "web" section to its lever vs the Pietta and the Uberti has a more severely angled "cut" to its rammer "web" where that web goes into the rod shaped forward part of the rammer. While the Pietta has a gradual tapered flow of its rammer "web" going into the rod shaped forward part of the rammer. This alone is a dead giveaway as to which brand revolver it is from a distance.

Also notice how the actual rammer part that goes against the ball does not extend as far into the frame on the Uberti as it does on the Pietta. See how the actual ram that touches the ball can be seen in the ball loading cutout of the Pietta even with the rammer lever fully latched, while on the Uberti when the rammer is fully latched, you cannot see the part of the rammer that contacts the ball. Also notice how on the Uberti the fore most part of the ram that touches the ball can be seen forward of the frame directly under the arbor "ears", while on the Pietta that part of the rammer is hidden inside the frame unseen. Look at the rear of the "web" of both loading levers directly under their arbor "ears" to see this difference.

You can see all the above if you carefully study the two below pictures against each other.

Uberti
http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/45517/2795858840099763970S600x600Q85.jpg
Pietta
http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/11291/2343573330099763970S600x600Q85.jpg



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arcticap
March 3, 2011, 12:26 AM
The top strap of the Pietta looks like it's beefier, along with some of the other parts of its frame too.

Hardy
March 6, 2011, 07:08 PM
Ok I have bought over 100 guns in the last 2 years that are C/B percussion revolvers . Piettas that come in the red and black Tradition box or Pietta box are far more in demand fot retail than the ones in Cabella box. There are reasons which I won't go into but ask some others. And yes I have bought some fine ones from Cabella--those people are professional, friendly and wholeheartly wanting to please you and will take back guns and refund your purchase if your gun has flaws or not functionally right. They buy so many that they can offer discount prices but some are not up to par due to mass buying them from Pietta. Don't hesitate to send one back if it isn't right. I know:)