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alabama
February 9, 2011, 05:28 PM
If u could have only one 12 gauge pump to hunt in all conditions, and game from dove to deer what would it be and why?

BigJimP
February 9, 2011, 05:36 PM
Browning BPS Hunter model with a 28" barrel.

I think its the smoothest action on a pump gun on the market / 28" barrel does a lot of things well ....for clays, for feathers and for deer ...

I also like the Browning BPS - because it ejects hulls out of the bottom / the safey is easy to manipulate with gloves on - on top of the tang / and its stock is cast neutral ( so it doesn't favor a leftie or a rightie )....

To me, it does everything very well ..../and I happen to have one in 12ga and one in 20ga that I purchased in the late 70's ....and they're still solid guns ...with many thousands of shells thru them ( even though I don't shoot them much anymore ). I did take the 12ga out to the skeet range last week ...and managed a 23 with it ...

Recoiljunky
February 9, 2011, 05:53 PM
How about an 870 and have a bunch of money left over, mine and everyone I know hasn't ever had a jam of any sort and you can get just about anything you can imagine for them

bailey bud
February 9, 2011, 05:53 PM
The Wingmaster is an awesome pump shotgun.

I've shot Mossbergs, Remingtons, Winchesters, Ithacas, and a way-overpriced Benelli (all pump).

I'd have to say the Wingmaster is my hands-down favorite.

I'd say an Ithaca is worth a close look (which incidentally, has the same bottom discharge that Brownings have).

sirsloop
February 9, 2011, 06:07 PM
lol... can of worms opened up here.

jackpine
February 9, 2011, 07:00 PM
An older 870 remington 12 guage and If I can get them right an extra barrel or two. Easy to clean, easy to repair, reliable. I have not been impressed with the 870 express shotguns I've seen as of late but a lightly used express or wingmaster is not hard to find. At one shop they had three 1990's made 870's that were Ducks Unlimited banquet guns NIB for less than a 2011 production 870 can't beat that.

pabuckslayer08
February 9, 2011, 07:11 PM
For do it all the 500 but I would like a Ithaca deerslayer for deer and a 887 Rem for birds. Im not a 870 fan so therefore the 500 is my choice for all around use

nefprotector
February 9, 2011, 07:29 PM
Winchester 1300

jaguarxk120
February 9, 2011, 07:37 PM
The longest production run of any American shotgun. All steel and walnut.

The Ithaca Model 37, the 12 gauge for duck/deer, 16 gauge for upland game 20/28 gauge for smaller stuff.

Each gauge has it's own unique frame size and will handle as it should. And for those who don't like to carry heavy guns there is the Ultralight 12 gauge 6.5 pounds, 20 gauge 5.8 pounds.

No stampings --- no plastic

joegator
February 9, 2011, 09:11 PM
870

Recoiljunky
February 9, 2011, 10:24 PM
the 870 can also be used as a paddle for your boat. been there done that hahaha:D

hoytinak
February 9, 2011, 10:36 PM
My Mossberg 500 is the only shotgun I own so it's my "do-it-all" pump. I keep the 18.5" barrel on it for HD then put the 28" barrel on for trap shooting and pheasant/quail hunting....that covers all my shotgun needs. :)

Takeum
February 9, 2011, 10:37 PM
Another vote for the BPS Browning ! Great gun and shoots either hand...

Scattergun Bob
February 10, 2011, 02:43 AM
Remington 870, Mossberg 590, Ithaca 37, Browning BPS, Benelli Nova. Any of these are the best depending of the features and liabilities that you assess. We live in the golden age of pump scatteguns, rejoice and evaluate each.

Good Luck and Be Safe

Hog Buster
February 10, 2011, 11:06 AM
Ithaca Model 37.........The best pump gun ever made....

egor20
February 10, 2011, 11:24 AM
+1 on the Ithaca 37.

BTW: the Savage 350 sure isn't an Ithaca, but it is bottom load/bottom eject and I don't use certain language when I bump or scratch the stock, like I did with my 37. :D

oneounceload
February 10, 2011, 01:25 PM
I'd prefer something other than a pump or the uses you mentioned - just me.

kozak6
February 10, 2011, 03:02 PM
So then start a new thread :D.

Another vote for Ithaca Model 37.

It's a super cool shotgun. The safety is a crossbolt safety, and one will feel if it's activated before one goes to shoot. The slide release is ergonomically placed for a right handed user and can be activated with the trigger finger without removing a hand from the shotgun. It's like that of a Rem 870, just placed for a right handed user.

It's a very smooth pumping shotgun. Smoother than the 870. Slightly lighter too. The roll engraving is a nice touch.

The bottom eject is super cool. Makes collecting hulls for reloading easy, and you don't accidentally pelt any of your buddies with them.

Older models will slamfire, meaning that if you cycle it with the trigger held down, it will automatically fire when it locks into battery. It can potentially speed up a followup shot, and is great fun for rattling off a bunch of shots in a hurry. Although it can be dangerous if one is unaware of it and is sloppy about gun safety.

gk1
February 10, 2011, 05:56 PM
18 posts and no Winchester M12 or 1897 yet? Shame, TFL, shame! :)

Put me down for the Winchester Model of 1912, warts and all.

publius
February 10, 2011, 07:13 PM
Model 870, proven reliable design. Old ones are better.

blutob
February 10, 2011, 07:45 PM
Ithaca 37, surely the best pump ever made. I have a 1970 16 ga with deerslayer and 28" barrels that I used for many years for deer and pheasant hunting. The action is still just as tight and smooth as the day I bought it. I now use a Mossberg 500 for deer since I cannot mount a scope or buy sabot slugs for the 37 (16 ga). The Mossberg is a fine working gun, but does not compare to the 37.

No surprise, the M37 was designed by J Browning. It was originally marketed as the Remington M17. I have one of those also in 20ga that was passed onto me by my father.

ripnbst
February 10, 2011, 08:39 PM
Seemingly everything JB designed is everyone's favorite many years down the road.

olddrum1
February 11, 2011, 03:29 AM
A Mosberg 870 BPS.

darkgael
February 11, 2011, 06:31 AM
Ithaca Model 37.........The best pump gun ever made....

Yep. +...what? Five or six?

The Golden Age of pump guns......I like that.
Pete

maierar
February 11, 2011, 07:28 AM
Mossberg 500A is reliable, affordable, and infinitely versatile:
http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a421/maierar/CIMG0498.jpg

For under $750, a small game gun, a HD gun, a bird gun, a clays gun, and a larger game gun.

dgludwig
February 11, 2011, 02:04 PM
The Browning BPS-for all the reasons BigJimP cited. I will concede that the BPS is on the heavy side when compared to the steel-receivered Ithaca and most aluminum receivered pumps, but on a par with the Remington Model 870 and the Winchester Model 12 (in terms of weight). And if I had to live with only one barrel length, I'd probably opt for the 26" size over the 28" one, just based on the kind of hunting I do most.

southpaw02
February 11, 2011, 04:22 PM
Another one for the child of the Remington 17. The Ithaca 37. It is one of the best platforms for a left hand shooter IMO.

I will admit the safety has to be moved for a lefty. That in and of itself is not a problem.


I have one in 12,16,and 20 ga. The 37 is a great gun!

.300 Weatherby Mag
February 11, 2011, 07:53 PM
Winchester Model 12 and if you want a .410 its gotta be a model 42...

pmulls870
February 11, 2011, 08:37 PM
I don't know about the rest of you. I have a 26" Remington 870. The thing is bulletproof. Work the action in the mud, get it wet, neglect it, scratch it up, put 300 rounds a day through it, It takes it and comes back for more. Just my $.02... if you're buying a gun that is rock solid, has thousands of affordable replacement parts, and never needs to go in to the gunsmith, you're talking an 870

rsnell
February 15, 2011, 12:39 PM
Winchester Model 12, full chock. Preferably pre '64.

Bob

BarkSlayer
February 15, 2011, 10:53 PM
Remington 870 Wingmaster in 12 and 20 gauge. Preferably at least 25 years old.

nathaniel
February 15, 2011, 11:57 PM
My only shotgun (other than the safe queens) is a Benelli Nova, it hasnt let me down yet. Ive done just about everything with it, my brother even knocked it out of the boat one day during duck hunting. I fished it out shook the water out of it and kept going. It has never jammed, missfired, or broke on me and I am pretty rough on it. I would definatly recommend it to anyone and have on a couple of occasions.

bailey bud
February 16, 2011, 11:57 AM
I own a 1912 (made in 1913). It still shoots just fine. John Browning designed an exceptional shotgun.

That said - I like my Wingmaster more.

As I said earlier - if I could find a reasonable Ithaca - I'd seriously consider it.

I've wanted a 16ga Model 37 for a long time.

Bones
February 17, 2011, 04:43 AM
Was able to shoot my first Skeet 25 with a Winchester Model 12 with a 26" mod. choke barrel. Today it sits in the safe mostly:o and an old Remington 870 rides behind the sit in the pickup.

Sport45
February 17, 2011, 07:19 AM
12 gauge Remington 870 Wingmaster with a few barrels and a bag of chokes.

GDCooper
February 17, 2011, 10:53 PM
If only considering guns in current production my preference runs strongly in favor of the BPS. VERY well made, especially considering that pumps are the "price point" product among today's offerings. But, the BPS carries a larger price tag than most of its current competion.

The classic pumps listed by several posters are all good, if you can find a good one for a good price, not easily done...

Dave McC
February 18, 2011, 09:39 AM
My choice an 870. But it's not the only good choice....

Try different pumps and see what FEELS best.

kozak6
February 19, 2011, 11:31 PM
I just remembered one more design feature I enjoy about the Ithaca model 37.

It loads with the carrier up.

It's really a nice feature. I'm surprised more shotguns aren't designed this way.

exphys2010
February 20, 2011, 01:23 AM
+1 for the Mossberg 500. I like all the other big name pumps out there, they all function great. But I have always owned Mossberg shotguns, and love them.

Fifth Wheel
February 20, 2011, 10:38 AM
I've been partial to the 870 for over 20 years. But recently I handled a Mossberg breacher and I was really impressed. I plan to get a 590A1 in the future. I prefer the safety location on the Mossberg, the easier method of reloading, and the ability to load one extra round into the same length barrel (870 18.5" barrel can hold 6+1; the 590A1 18.5" barrel can hold 7+1 (Hans Vang is working on a +2 extension for the Mossberg)). The extra round is a big plus. My Ithaca 37 with a 20" barrel holds 7+1. The Mossberg 590A1 with a 20" barrel holds 8+1. They are all equally reliable.

tandom
February 22, 2011, 08:53 PM
i agree with those who like the Ithaca 37 and Browning BPS, they are bottom ejecting, steel receiver, walnut stock. hard to beat that combo.

oneounceload
February 22, 2011, 09:06 PM
i agree with those who like the Ithaca 37 and Browning BPS, they are bottom ejecting, steel receiver, walnut stock. hard to beat that combo.

Especially to those of us who are LH

egor20
February 22, 2011, 09:13 PM
My wife's a southpaw, she lurves the Ithaca and the new Savage 350.

FJJ3
February 23, 2011, 09:46 PM
Remington 870 Wingmaster, 28" Modified Barrel. it's been used as a boat paddle, marsh walking stick, and a few other things a shotgun isnt designed to do....and it keeps on going.

30-30remchester
February 23, 2011, 10:19 PM
Sorry BAILEY BUD the Perfect Repeater Winchester model 12 wasnt designed by the great Johnatan Browning. It was designed by Thomas Crosley Johnson. The Remington model 17( the forerunner to the Ithaca model 37) was designed by Browning. That being said, I studiy firearms design and manufacture. The ultimate is the Winchester model 12 built before 1955. I own a few along with older Ithaca 37's.

T_King_85
February 25, 2011, 03:46 AM
For that type of versatility, the Mossberg 500. Affordability, versatility, reliability, and everything you need on the after market to make it your own. Can't beat it!

armsmaster270
February 25, 2011, 06:38 AM
I gotta vote in with the 870 and the BPS. There is a lot of 870's in squad cars.

bn12gg
February 25, 2011, 02:49 PM
The Browning Pump is a real nice shotgun. I picked up my 12g BPS
thru Jaquas several years ago -- a guy had won it in a trap tourney--
he shot it once and then sold it (to me). There are plenty of real
good ($) pre owned deals on the BPS's.

As a southpaw, I really like the bottom eject feature.

.02 David :)

Mallard76
February 25, 2011, 04:49 PM
Remington 870 Wingmaster. With multiple configurations and set ups, it's a do it all shotgun. Plus after market parts are everywhere.

Slugo48
February 26, 2011, 08:41 AM
Browning BPS, Remington 870 Wingmaster or an Ithaca Model 37...

pmeisel
February 26, 2011, 09:24 AM
The Mossberg 500 has done that for me for 25 years. But i'd like an Ithaca 37 just as well.

avalanche04
February 26, 2011, 10:18 AM
well i have too agree the bps 20ga or 12ga is the best by far! i have a remington 870 slug gun with a canolever and i hate it, it jams all the time i had the bolt slide too far forward on me wheen i was cleaning it and had too take it to a gun smith too have it fixed, so i put it back in the gun safe and that is where its been for the last several seasons.

Hig789
February 26, 2011, 11:52 AM
Hard to beat a 870 or an 835 for a one and done all around gun. I haven't shot a BPS but I am sure its a quality gun.

mtnman
February 27, 2011, 08:12 AM
winchester model 12

catnphx
February 27, 2011, 10:21 AM
I used (and still have but haven't used in years) an Ithaca 37 for years when I was younger ... it was a great, great gun for hunting.

My recent purchase of a Mossy 590A1 is for HD (38.5" versus my Ithaca length of 47") but my Ithaca is a great gun. I don't remember EVER having a problem with the Ithaca and I was pretty rough on it as a young person. :o

Bamashooter
February 28, 2011, 04:28 AM
Remington 870 Express Super Magnum. This shotgun can do it all at an outstanding price.

jhog1
February 28, 2011, 11:04 AM
I own a 1912 (made in 1913). It still shoots just fine. John Browning designed an exceptional shotgun.

As mentioned the Model 12 was designed by Winchester engineer Thomas Crosley Johnson, but it was based in part on the M1893/97 which was designed by John Browning

Winchester Model 12, full chock. Preferably pre '64.

This would be just about all of them since the model 12 was discontinued in 1963. After 63 Winchester only made a few Special commemorative model
12's that could only be purchased through a specialized gun collector purchase program.

Deerhunter
February 28, 2011, 01:37 PM
Remington 870 Express Mag. If your feeling froggy go ahead and get the Super Mag. For most hunting you wont need the 3.5 inch chamber anyway, but you can get it. I shoot 3 inch out of my 870 Express Mag for ducks and geese, well till I got my Browning Maxus.

Get an 870 with a 26 or 28 inch barrel for birds and stuff then get a 18.5 inch rifled barrel to shoot slugs out of and you have everything you need. I have killed a lot of game with mine.

dgludwig
February 28, 2011, 03:55 PM
This would be just about all of them since the model 12 was discontinued in 1963. After 63 Winchester only made a few Special commemorative model
12's that could only be purchased through a specialized gun collector purchase program.

Starting around 1988 through 1990, Browning produced 8,000 Miroku-made, Model 12 reproductions, chambered in 20 gauge only. From 1991 to 1992, they offered 7,000 of them chambered in 28 gauge. Winchester (USRAC) via Miroku, made 5,000 Model 12s, chambered in 20 gauge, in two different grades, from 1993 to 1995. These were all Japanese-made "Model 12s" and the few that I've examined were very well constructed, nicely finished shotguns

gyvel
March 1, 2011, 12:25 AM
I'd say an Ithaca is worth a close look (which incidentally, has the same bottom discharge that Brownings have).

That's because it's a Browning design.

And I have to agree that an Ithaca 37 is an excellent shotgun, but the 870 is no slouch, either.

gyvel
March 1, 2011, 12:28 AM
This would be just about all of them since the model 12 was discontinued in 1963. After 63 Winchester only made a few Special commemorative model
12's that could only be purchased through a specialized gun collector purchase program.

Are you referrring to the "Y" series Model 12s made in the 70's? I never considered them "commemoratives," but, rather, limited commercial production.

LUPUS
March 13, 2011, 06:28 PM
Be sure that the chamber and the magazine tube are empty and free of shells.
Pump the action of a Ithaca 37.
Pull the trigger and dry fire the gun.
Keep pressing your trigger finger on the trigger as it may happen under stress.
Pump the action as you are pressing the trigger.
Then let the trigger reset for next shot and try to pull the trigger...

You will observe that the hammer is not cocked...

In a refined design, the trigger must be disconnected during cycling and the sear must catch the hammer regardles of the trigger pressure and shooter errors. Such kind of a desing flaw in Ithaca 37 can not be acceptable in my book especialy in a defensive shotgun, at least for me...Just my 0.02$...

Best regards..

semi_problomatic
March 13, 2011, 10:41 PM
If you like the 870 but want to save $$$ then look at the NEF pardner. 870 clone, just built better, and only $200. Everything from the 870 fits on it except the barrel. Plenty of money left over to buy shells.

kozak6
March 14, 2011, 02:14 AM
Be sure that the chamber and the magazine tube are empty and free of shells.
Pump the action of a Ithaca 37.
Pull the trigger and dry fire the gun.
Keep pressing your trigger finger on the trigger as it may happen under stress.
Pump the action as you are pressing the trigger.
Then let the trigger reset for next shot and try to pull the trigger...

You will observe that the hammer is not cocked...


It depends on when it was made, mostly.

I don't remember the cutoff date, but older Ithacas (and reportedly police versions?) will actually fire as soon as it locks into battery if you do this.

jaguarxk120
March 14, 2011, 12:34 PM
That feature as removed by the request of the ATF somewhere before 1975. I have two 1975 guns and they do not have that feature. The earlyer guns do, how earlier than 1975 I don't know.

mojave_desert
March 14, 2011, 01:31 PM
I guess I read too many reviews and comments.

For every ten people I can that love mossberg i can find ten people that have complaints with it and have read that thing has quality issues. I have read many good comments on the 870 but some say they are not as good as the older models and In one review I have read that the 870 has flimsy parts.

I thought about browning and again allot love it but have complaints on that as well and one says BPS stands for Big piece of S**t. On Benilli I hear some are picky on what you feed it and that they are one piece and if you break the stock you are screwed.

What is one to do!

mojave_desert
March 14, 2011, 02:20 PM
oh..Now I have to do more research on this.

http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_defense.php

semi_problomatic
March 14, 2011, 02:33 PM
Look into the New England Firearms pardner pump. Its a 870 clone, but actually built better.

dgludwig
March 14, 2011, 02:57 PM
For every ten people I can that love mossberg i can find ten people that have complaints with it and have read that thing has quality issues.

You have to get past the internet drivel in order to make an informed decision. There are a lot of well-informed people who contribute to the forums and their inputs can be very useful and helpful. Then there are well-intentioned but uninformed people who often times dispense advice freely based only on what they've heard or read somewhere (usually from like-minded posters participating in the gun forums) but have no real evidence or personal experience to support their claims. There are a lot of posters who have legitimate beefs about a particular firearm but it's important to know how popular the gun is in terms of sales (the more out there, the more likely you'll hear some complaints from dissatisfied owners) and to acknowledge the fact that more people will understandably express their negative opinions about a gun they've experienced trouble with than there are people who will post to praise a firearm they've had no problems with. And let's not forget the serial trolls whose missions are simply to prowl cyberspace in the hopes of stirring up trouble.
It's been my experience that over time you will come to know which contributor to the forums can always be trusted for giving good advice and which ones can't be.
I'm convinced that if Saint Peter himself set up a gun factory in heaven and turned out perfect shotguns, there'd still be people who'd complain about them. Not saying that Mossbergs are perfect shotguns but, then, neither are Purdeys.

LilHog
March 14, 2011, 08:46 PM
I own a few mossberg 500's and a few remington 870's and all are of the newer variety available on the market. I shoot them all very much and can tell you that they all function and shoot just fine. If you buy either of these guns there is a 99.9% chance that you will be very happy with them and receive a trouble free gun that will last you a life time. Go to your LGS and hold both and cycle the actions and see how they fit you, guaranteed you will leave with one of them and be very happy.

DAVID NANCARROW
March 14, 2011, 08:59 PM
Already have it....an older 870, 26 inch barrel with 4 different choke tubes. Now I get to spend the rest of my days feeling that action get slicker and slicker with every stroke of the pump handle:D

I like the reliability I get with it. Easy to break down and service, parts are everywhere, and its a solid perfomer. Put the 10 shot mag extension on and Im ready for the zombies trying to snitch my twinkies and ice cream. Re cap it stock and put in the plug and ready for bird season. Handles slugs very well.

I had a mossberg 500 years ago, but I didnt like the way it broke down. Especially didnt like the spot welds holding the action bars to the pump handle breaking on me in the middle of a pheasant hunt. I did like the safety position on the mossy better, but thats okay.

boots
March 14, 2011, 09:18 PM
I have had my Benelli Nova for 2 years and have not had a single hiccup with it....knock on wood