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microman
February 6, 2011, 12:54 PM
I am looking for some advice as I know very little about shotguns
but, have been really wanting to get a 12 gauge pump for sometime
now.

From what I have read online I have been leaning towards the
partner pump for price and due to it being close to the Remington
870 in some features. This will mostly be a fun range gun for myself.

Is this an ok starter shotgun or should I look into the Mossberg 500
or Remington 870? I read somewhere the 870 had some rust issues?
That spooked me a little. Just want something that will last me.

Open for any and all suggestions. I prefer to buy new rather than
used though.

Thanks micro

Mosinnagant
February 6, 2011, 12:58 PM
I would say all three are good guns and you should pick what ever fits you.

ARick81
February 6, 2011, 01:07 PM
Maybe look into the maverick 88 by mossberg. It's basically the same exact gun as the 500 except for two things: about 250-300 bucks, and the 500 has two arms on the pump mechanism where the maverick has one. All of the after market accessories and barrells are compatible, and reliability is virtually the same.

jmortimer
February 6, 2011, 01:07 PM
I have a Pardner Pump and it is an 870 Clone. Customer service is through Remington which bought Marlin which bought H&R. Here are 10 reviews from LEOs from Police Link who actually own the Pardner Pump and as you can see they all love their Pardners as I do. http://policelink.monster.com/products/products/3296-hr-1871-pardner-pump-protector

rottieman33
February 6, 2011, 01:12 PM
I bought a Mossberg 500 at Dick's sporting goods came with 2 barrels 1 was smooth bore and the other one was rifled payed $350 for it. I hunt and trap shoot with it but now got a Saiga 12 that cost about $500. semi auto

pabuckslayer08
February 6, 2011, 01:58 PM
I would get the mossberg 500, 535, or 835 for may reasons. IMO they are built to last better than the express 870. They shoot great and wont break the bank. If you want to go with a 870 id get the wingmaster model but it is slightly more pricey but worth it.

SamNoto
February 6, 2011, 02:07 PM
I have a Mossberg Maverick M88 and its great, the only difference between the 500 and M88 is the safety placement and forearm. The forearm does not have a slide action tube like the 500, but you can buy one and they are interchangeable. Dicks sells them for 209 (according to their book i looked yesterday) the NEF pardoner is the same price. I say pick the one that feels the best, and if you don't want to spend too much the M88 or Pardoner are great!! IDK if the Pardoner is interchangeable with aftermarket parts for the 870 but the M88 and 500 are the same with a different safety.

zippy13
February 6, 2011, 02:38 PM
Like a pair of new shoes, the shotgunning experience is much nicer if the fit is correct. Don't base your shotgun selection on what you see in catalogs or read about on-line. Instead, get yourself out to a gun club and beg, borrow or rent some guns to get in some trigger time. There is a basic ergonomic difference between the Remingtons and Mossberg. The Mossberg's safety may be more conveniently located than the Remington's; but, one doesn't use a safety at the range (your intended use).

Realizing that a pump is at a disadvantage when shooting doubles, you'll want the fastest cycling pump available. Avoid a Super Mag with a 3-1/2" capacity, and to some extent a magnum with a 3" chamber. For a range pump gun, look for a gun with fast shucking 2-3/4" chamber. Sadly, these days pumps are marketed for general purpose work and there aren't any short chamber guns generally available. Many new gun buyers a sold a bill of goods that a gun pump with a longer chamber is better -- no one mentions that they are also slower.

I agree with pabuckslayer08 about the Model 870 Wingmaster being preferred. I'd choose a used Wingmaster (with a 2 3/4" chamber) over a new Express or Mossberg. If you decide to upgrade in the future, the Wingmaster will be worth much more than a Chinese imitation of the Express.

the rifleer
February 6, 2011, 03:41 PM
Get a mossberg 500 and don't look back. It will never fail you.

DiscoRacing
February 6, 2011, 03:42 PM
Lotta Mossberg 500s out there.... everyone has one....(nearly):D

Dave McC
February 6, 2011, 03:54 PM
Welcome,Microman.

Try both the Mossberg and the Remington. Pick the one that feels best.

The Chinese clones may or may not be good choices, they haven't had time to get a track record going. The 500 and 870 do, and many used examples of both are out there for about the same money as a new clone.

HTH....

spyderdude
February 6, 2011, 03:56 PM
I love both the Remington 870 and Mossberg. I own the 590 Special Purpose Persuader and 870 Wingmaster. I sort of like the Mossberg better due to the location of the safety and the shell lifter sits flush with the bolt when the action is closed making it easier to reload. My Mossberg also holds 9 rounds while the 870 only holds 5! Both of them are proven designs, just comes down to what fits you better and certain features you may want.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/spyderdude18/IMGP0347.jpg

Mossberg 590

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/spyderdude18/870Wingmaster.jpg

Remington 870 Wingmaster

John L. Smith
February 6, 2011, 04:09 PM
I have had a Maverick 88 for a couple of years. It does have double bars on the pump, some of the older models only had a single bar. The only difference between the 88 and the 500 is the safety. I just purchased a Mossberg 535 which like the 500 has the safety located on the stock where you grip it. To me this is a much more natural position for a safety especially if you are hunting. Also would work with either a right or left handed shooter. Either one is a good gun, not fancy, just a good workman's gun. The Mavrick has a 1 or 2 yr. warranty where the 500 has a 10 year warranty. As far as costs, Walmart where I live sells the Maverick for around $ 190.00 and the 500 for around $ 230.00

Good luck.
John

SoilworK777
February 6, 2011, 05:23 PM
*cough*NEF Protector*cough*

The 500/590 is cool too. One thing not mentioned in the previous post is that the forend and action bars on the Maverick are one piece. They cannot be separated.

sirsloop
February 6, 2011, 05:55 PM
We have zero information about what the OP wants to do with this shotgun!!!!! So, what do you want to do with it? Put in the closet for home defense? Shoot clays? Hunt game? How much are you willing to spend on a shotgun?

I personally own a 870, have a 26" barrel for clays and a 18" barrel for home defense. My coworker made the mistake of buying a Mossberg 590A1 and tried taking it to the sporting clays club. They wouldn't even let him shoot a round with it. Because there are no "sporting barrels" for it, his $600 590A1 basically sits in the closet unused. That's something a much cheaper shotgun could have accomplished.

I'm a big fan of the 870. Its cheap, its reliable, and there is a ton of aftermarket for it. Mine is a joy to own and shoot. I'm not gonna sit here and say the 870 is the end all of shotguns, cause its not. For the price its a nice reliable and proven pump. Mossberg's 500's rub me the wrong way... they just feel cheap (cheaper than the 870). The 590A1 is built like a tank, but its a unitasker. If you are looking for a cheap used home defense pump, I would also keep an eye out for a Winchester 1300 Defender!

TheKlawMan
February 6, 2011, 09:38 PM
SirSloop. I may be wrong, but believe that Zippy13 indicated that a Maverick barrel will fit a Mossberg 590A1. Here is a link http://www.maverickarms.com/pages/barrels.htm

Scroll to the bottome and check out sku# 90241 for $133. My apologies to Zippy if I am wrong and misattributed this info to him. If it is correct, though, forget Zippy and your buddy owes me a beer.

sirsloop
February 6, 2011, 10:58 PM
Hey if that works, killer. I'll tell my coworker tomorrow at work and in a couple weeks we'll take it out to the sporting clay range ;)

Takeum
February 7, 2011, 12:39 AM
another thumbs up for winchester 1300...

zippy13
February 7, 2011, 11:24 AM
Spyderdude,
IMHO, What you have is modern muskets, not shotguns. :rolleyes: Of course, there's hope for your Wingmaster with a different barrel. :)

SirSloop,
PM sent.

ronto
February 7, 2011, 01:45 PM
(1) Location of the saftey and slide release on the 500.
(2) 1 extra round in the 500 factory mag.
(3) 500 shell elevator does not get in the way when loading.
(4) Duel shell extractors on the 500.
(5) 500 quality is just as good or better than the 870 and costs less.

microman
February 7, 2011, 02:01 PM
Thanks everyone for the help. I would have responded sooner but, I pulled a 12 hour shift at work today and just got home.

Try both the Mossberg and the Remington. Pick the one that feels best.

Dave, I am still interested in both these brands as well. I have heard good things about them both. I know most shotguns seem to be chambered in 2 3\4 and 3in but, Remington has the super magnum in 3.5? Is this something I might want or need later?

We have zero information about what the OP wants to do with this shotgun!!!!! So, what do you want to do with it? Put in the closet for home defense? Shoot clays? Hunt game? How much are you willing to spend on a shotgun?

sirsloop,
Originally I just wanted something fun to shoot at the range with as I got the bug to buy a shotgun. I suppose it could fill a home defense role as well but, I have handguns for this purpose already. I would like to maybe try shooting some skeet or hunting later on with it.. that is why I really want to get a shorter barrel for the home and a longer barrel that I could swap if I wanted to hunt or shoot skeet..which I have never done yet but, who knows what the future holds.

Budget wise I would like to stay under $400 or so if possible.

Thanks all
micro

ronto
February 7, 2011, 02:43 PM
Unless you will be shooting birds, you will never use 3 1/2" shells. As a practical matter, you will probably never use 3" shells either.
The Mossberg 500 is well under $400, especially at Wal-Mart.

TheKlawMan
February 7, 2011, 04:01 PM
I recently went with the 870 18" barrel and am happy with it, but you may want to go with the Mossberg and get the combo package that comes with both am 18" home defense barrel and a 28 vent rib barrel with a fixed modified choke. Then if you get more into shooting you can consider just keeping the Mossberg set up with the short barrel as a home defense gun or one for a guest to use at the range, and perhaps get a second shotgun.

sirsloop
February 7, 2011, 04:05 PM
If you buy an 870, get the one with the bird barrel on the gun. You'll pay basically the same price on the gun with the bird or 18" HD barrel. Here's the kicker...If you go to buy an additional barrel in the future, the 18" 870 barrel is $100-120, and the 26" choke barrel is like ~$200-240.

TheKlawMan
February 7, 2011, 05:03 PM
I can attest to what sirsloop said about the cost of barrels for the 870. I bought one with the 18" and am trying to find a used long barrel to rotate with the 18, but the cost of a new long barrel is incredible. I think I could buy a used 870 express with a 28" barrel for the cost of a new barrel.

HALIFAX
February 7, 2011, 07:37 PM
I too am in the market for a pump shotgun (first time shotgun buyer). Ive been reading forums stating that the new remington 870's are crap. Apparently alot of jamming problems and ejecting problems. I do not know if this is true. Ive been looking at the remington 870 as well as the benelli nova and weatherby pa-08. Just was wondering about the 870 because i was thinking of purchasing that gun. Weatherby was looking tasty as well. I cannot decide!!!! :barf:

kruzzer
February 7, 2011, 08:03 PM
I have the Mossberg 500 breacher...54124...It is one bad ass looking gun. Just pulling it out scares the **** out of everyone. Not sure if that is the kid of gun your looking for but it is fun as hell. I don't think I will have to breach any doors with it but it looks like it has a holesaw on the end and I bet it will take a real cool core sample of someone's forehead....:eek:

TheKlawMan
February 7, 2011, 08:12 PM
Halifax, I picked up my 870 Express 28 days ago and, after putting 250 shotshells throught it without one ejection problem or one jamming problem I wouldn't say it is "crap". They supposedly have an issue with rust but I haven't had a spot of it on mine abaut I live in Sothern California. I was shooting with a guy last, who got his express at about the same time, and I saw where he had some surface rust on his receiver near the loading port. I think the difference was I keep a light coat of rem oil on mine and I think he just shoots and cleans it once and a while. (He also lives near the foothills of the Sierra Madres.)

The one disappointment I have had is I wish I had gotten the standard field model with a 28" barrel instead of the 18" barrel with the extension. I still want the 18, but it is cheaper to buy a new 18 than a 28.

Wait, I have had one issue with mine. It has a factory 2 shell magazine tube extension and it if isn't carefully installed after cleaning then it doesn't want to accept the extra 2 shells. (There is a trick to threading the extension tube on that is simple once you learn it.)

joegator
February 7, 2011, 09:58 PM
870 Express. My son uses mine for trap. Never had an issue or rust problem. Just keep it clean and oiled and it will last a lifetime.

hikingman
February 7, 2011, 10:52 PM
Rifleer wrote:
Get a mossberg 500 and don't look back. It will never fail you.

+1

My choice was an 835...due to the great price on the used shelf, $169. :eek: Her furniture was rough-but she was a performer that day, and since!

bailey bud
February 7, 2011, 11:55 PM
I've owned:
- Winchester 1912
- Winchester 1200 Ranger (combo)
- Remington 870
- Remington 870 Wingmaster.

These days - I still have my 1912, and my Wingmaster.

For starters - I'd go with a 870 combo.

If you're using it for self-defense, you can remove the plastic plug from the magazine.

The RemChoke system gives you a bunch of flexibility. Plus - the barrels can be changed - allowing you to hunt fowl or deer -- your choice.