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napp
February 3, 2011, 10:20 AM
I submitted an "experimental" bid on GunBroker.com and ended up as the winner of a Rogers & Spencer by Euroarms. The auction ended yesterday; and the pistol is being shipped today. I'll post some pics and comments when it arrives.

Powdermonkee
February 3, 2011, 10:51 AM
Congratulations on your purchase! Rogers and Spencers are the best designed historical cap and ball guns out there! Did you bid on the gun offered by the first-time seller? If so, you're a braver man than I. Let us know when your new baby arrives.:)

napp
February 3, 2011, 11:39 AM
Powdermonkee
Did you bid on the gun offered by the first-time seller? If so, you're a braver man than I.

Yes, that's the one. I agonized over it for quite a while before breaking my long standing rule to never bid on an auction where the seller has no feedback.

There's "brave" and there's "stupid"...we'll soon know which one is appropriate in this case. :D I paid with PayPal; and have made direct contact with the seller. He is supposed to ship the gun and send me a tracking number today. We'll see what happens.

napp
February 3, 2011, 05:39 PM
So far, so good. Seller sent me a tracking number this afternoon. Tracking shows that FEDEX picked up the package at 3:30 PM in Lufkin, TX. :D

Doc Hoy
February 3, 2011, 07:22 PM
I have a Euroarms R and S.

It is sweet.

rosewood
February 3, 2011, 07:42 PM
There is another one that is ending tomorrow with an additional conversion cylinder

napp
February 3, 2011, 09:13 PM
rosewood,
Have you got a link? A search of GunBroker didn't find that one for me.

rosewood
February 4, 2011, 07:53 AM
I am not sure how to post a link on the forum, but i could send it to your email. Try auction #213527337

madcratebuilder
February 4, 2011, 08:02 AM
That R&S with the conversion cylinder, the seller states no FFL needed. I believe that's incorrect. Shipped with the conversion cylinder it's considered a hand gun. The conversion cylinder would need to be shipped separate. I wouldn't risk receiving it as a single package.

napp
February 4, 2011, 10:42 AM
rosewood,
Thanks for the auction number. I found the listing. Since that is a new gun, I'm sure it will be nicer than the gun I won; but that starting bid is a little too rich for me.

At this point, I really have no desire for a conversion cylinder. The indoor range where I shoot my modern guns doesn't allow BP; and the outdoor range doesn't allow anything but muzzle loaders.

rosewood
February 5, 2011, 04:47 PM
My pleasure, I am always checking g.b. for deals.

Powdermonkee
February 8, 2011, 04:52 PM
Hey Napp, Has your new baby arrived yet? Let us know how things come out.

napp
February 8, 2011, 09:20 PM
I was just going to post an update when I saw your question.

Yes, it arrived late this afternoon. The seller shipped it within 24 hours of the auction ending. Unfortunately, it sat at the FEDEX hub in Hutchins, TX for a few days because of the icy road conditions (it was originally projected for delivery on Saturday, 5 Feb.)

I must say that my worries about buying from a new seller on GunBroker were all for naught. The pistol is in much better shape than I was expecting for the $230 winning bid. The bore is shiny and bright, the action is tight, the timing is spot-on, and the bluing is probably 95% or better. I did find a couple of small places where the bluing was worn. I had to really look hard to spot them; because they were covered with cold blue that very closely matched the original bluing. All the screw slots are straight and clean with one exception. The locking screw that allows the cylinder pin to be removed shows evidence of a screwdriver slipping a time or two. Not serious...but not perfect, either.

The previous owner had obviously maintained the pistol very well. He apparently is a stickler for detail. That was obvious when I unwrapped the pistol from his packaging. It was packed as well as any package I have ever received...from any source. The amount of bubble wrap and tape used would have protected the gun if FEDEX had dragged it behind the truck from Texas. :D

If the weather allows I will take it to the range tomorrow and give a more complete report. I will also try to get some pictures posted tomorrow.

napp
February 10, 2011, 12:04 PM
Finally got some pictures. The weather still hasn't allowed any range time.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/silvergto/P1010393.jpg

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/silvergto/P1010394.jpg

sewerman
February 10, 2011, 12:52 PM
very nice!

the R & S with the spiller & burr influenced the Remington design and i kinda remember, but may be wrong that designers from R & S and S&W also worked with Remington's on design.

looks to me the grip angle maybe better than other revolvers of the time.

does the cylinder have the safe notches where the hammer can be placed so it won't rest on a cap like the remington 1858? i could not see clearly enough in the photo.

very nice one of my favorites from that era....enjoy

s.m.

mykeal
February 10, 2011, 03:22 PM
The Rogers & Spencer does not have cylinder 'safety notches':
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/mykealsm/Guns/Rogers%20and%20Spencer/P2100113.jpg
FWIW, the original design for the gun we now call the '1858' Remington, the 1860 Remington-Beals Army Model, also had no 'safety' notches. They were added late in the production run of the next model, the 1861 Remington Old Model Army and continued with the next model, the 1863 New Model Army, which is the one we now call the 1858 New Model Army based on the patent date stamped on the barrel.

Hellgate
February 10, 2011, 05:00 PM
Mykeal,
Looks like the R&S cylinder of yours has had two nipples replaced as the two at 3 & 4 o'clock don't match the other 4.

mykeal
February 10, 2011, 09:49 PM
Yep.

c.robertson
February 11, 2011, 08:25 PM
I am due to pick up a Rogers &Spencer revolver tomorrow (Saturday, 12-Feb-11) from a private member of Pioneer Gun Club of KC Mo. for $150.00. Took a look at it last summer and did not buy it then. (still owed VISA & Cabela's a bunch of money on several BPCR's.) It is in fine condition, excellent blueing, tight lock up, no dings - scratches etc.

Just FYI: When anyone posts an auction number all you have to do is highlight the number, right click, and google it. It will go to google search and then you can go directly to the item.
I did that with the above cased R&S revolver on GB and it works like a charm.

napp
February 17, 2011, 06:33 PM
Just got home from the range. I'm extremely pleased with the purchase. I ran through seven full cylinders with no attempt to clean or lubricate between cylinders. The gun fired the last cylinder just as well as the first cylinder...no hang fires or misfires.

First thing I noticed was that the cylinder doesn't shave as much lead from a .454 ball as I see on my Pieta 1858 and 1860. It does shave a ring; but not as pronounced as the other two guns. The next thing I noticed is that the front sight has been filed by the previous owner. The R&S has a round pedestal sight rather than a blade. The sight on mine has been "sharpened" to a very fine point and cold blued.

All firing today was with 20 grains of Triple 7 FFFG using a pre-lubed wad between the powder and a .454 ball. I used Remington #11 caps. My initial shots were made at 15 yards using my normal 6 o'clock hold. The grouping of these initial rounds was right on POA. I moved my point of aim to the center of the bull and the rounds grouped tightly in that area. It appears that the sight work done by the previous owner was directed toward getting the POI to coincide with POA at 15 yards. If that was his intent, he did a good job.

I didn't fire the weapon at any other distance today; nor, did I use any other charges. It will be interesting to do so on future trips.

junkman_01
February 17, 2011, 07:14 PM
Good show napp. :D

Hawg Haggen
February 17, 2011, 07:19 PM
Cool:cool: