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Johnywinslow
February 1, 2011, 03:24 PM
ok heres the situation, I finaly have 2k to spend on an AR rifle(including 1k rds of ammo and mags). I am a 6' 5" 250lb guy and little M4 carbines are NOT an option!! yes the stock is adjustable but that lip on the stock is on my cheek bone and jacks me up every time, I cannot get a proper cheek weld! Now im a solder from way back in the 1990s and the M16 A2 rifle was a perfect fit (except the grip) the site radius of the 20 inch barrel is what makes it better then an AK in my opinion, so all im looking for is a 20inch A2 rifle that can deal with some HEAVY plinking! I have to say all this to weed out all the carbine lovers out there! My only option right now that I can buy without a spcl order is olympic KB4 model A2 . is this rifle capable of going threw 5k rounds a year? There is a serious lack of A2 models out there with the popularity of the carbines. I want as close to a milspec rifle i can get, no gadgets scopes red dots or rails just an QUALITY A2 rifle with a sling is all i need. What I have learned so far is mixed on the olympic rifles, some swear by them some complain about a plinker that was crap from long ago. oly site admits this and says its not an issue, they do however offer a life time warrantee that many of the high dollar folks do not! That says alot in my mind! That said is there anything wrong with this KB4 model? its not real popular and having a hard time getting info on it or any A2 model for that matter! I will go as high as 1200 but after that I would rather just get a real rifle M1A and suck up the ammo cost. Any Ar 15 RIFLE lovers out there that can help me out!

glockcompact
February 1, 2011, 03:41 PM
I can't help you out with the A2 model much or the KB4 at all. But I would like to add there are a lot of aftermarket adjustable stocks out there that may fit your needs. You may have checked into this, just a thought.

thesheepdog
February 1, 2011, 03:45 PM
Look elsewhere for a 20" A2.

RyeDaddy
February 1, 2011, 03:51 PM
If you want a rifle, and you want mil-spec you need to look at Bravo Company. They're mil-spec all the way, I've heard nothing bad about them, my brother's mid-length is great, and reeks of quality. Not sure if they offer an A2 though, think they may all be A4's which is better for optics anyway.

Quentin2
February 1, 2011, 04:25 PM
There are a lot of ARs with the 20" barrel, A2 upper receiver and A2 stock. ArmaLite makes a good one and you could build one for a good price. Maybe build the lower receiver then shop around for a used A2 upper. People really take a beating selling them because there's not much demand for a 20" A2 which could save you a lot on your build. (Though you might have to settle for a 1:9 twist instead of milspec 1:7.)

But I agree with the others that it would be wise to look at A3/A4 flattop uppers. You can start off with an A4 carry handle and if you change your mind the sky's the limit. And ask the Marines, you can't more milspec than the M16A4!

hotcha45
February 1, 2011, 04:54 PM
Since you are wanting close to Milspec, Oly would not be a good choice! Very inexpensive, but you give up a fair bit to get to that price point. You might visit M4carbine.net, the technical forum, and look at the comparison chart linked there from the first post. The chart is specifically for M4 carbines but it will give you a good idea of who has what features in their ARs. I'd second Bravo Company, and of course there is Colt, but hard to find. I'd also second getting the flattop with a carry handle. If you decide to go with an optic, remove the handle and stick it away or sell it. Most makers should offer a version of what you are basically after.

Ridge_Runner_5
February 1, 2011, 05:21 PM
Magpul UBR collapsible stock has the top side permanently fixed to the lower receiver, so no grabbing at your cheek or beard...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/Shooting/cb05c7e2.jpg

rickdavis81
February 1, 2011, 05:33 PM
http://www.impactguns.com/store/098289025135.html


Colt seems to have what you want

Johnywinslow
February 1, 2011, 09:06 PM
hey thanks all u guys for your input! I found a colt 20 inch A3 at buds for 1200 right at my limit! I ASSUME colt is worth the cash? anyone have any advice on avoiding colt? If memory serves colt is a PREMIER AR maker! on a side note...what better to spend my tax return on then on liberal governments worst nightmare !!!! thx as usual u guys rock!!!

Ridge_Runner_5
February 1, 2011, 11:31 PM
Colt makes a good weapon. I don't get all the fanboyism over guns that only just in the past couple years started to actually be in mil-spec...

Here (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_788/products_id/59522) is a Sabre Defence A4 rifle. Costs less than a grand delivered to your FFL, and they just landed the USMC contract for the M16A4 rifle.

http://www.sabredefence.com/images/new/products/a4.jpg

Spend the remaining $200 on a rear sight and ammo

I enjoyed my Midlength...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/Shooting/DSC_0046.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/Shooting/DSC_0042.jpg

Achilles11B
February 1, 2011, 11:36 PM
http://www.impactguns.com/store/RI1619-X.html

For the price, I might have to pick one up one day...

Ridge_Runner_5
February 2, 2011, 10:33 PM
Century guns are hit or miss, and they are more often than not, miss...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/txpete/century20monkey1.jpg

zippy13
February 3, 2011, 03:48 PM
@ rickdavis81,

My A2-style is a pre-ban Colt Sporter H-BAR MATCH, California legal at the time of sale; but, 10-years ago deemed an assault weapon requiring registration. The Colt MT6601C was the modern version of the same rifle. The link you provided to Impact guns shows it out of stock, so does the Colt on-line store. Unfortunately it's not carried in the 2011 Colt catalog. The new catalog has only flat-top receivers! If anyone wants a Colt with an A2 type upper, they should scramble to try to find a leftover MT6601C before most folks realize they are no longer available. :(

If you have a look at the Colt LE site, you see that the navigation bar shows an AR-15A2, but the link goes to an A3. It seems the LE guns are now all flat-tops, too.