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kameron454ci
January 30, 2011, 09:01 PM
I have seen a few 1858's with black grips how does one do this? with paint or stain ? of so whats the best paint/stain to make my grips black

junkman_01
January 30, 2011, 09:19 PM
Obviously BLACK paint or BLACK stain. Any other color is not going to make them black. Duh :rolleyes:

noelf2
January 30, 2011, 10:04 PM
Obviously BLACK paint or BLACK stain. Any other color is not going to make them black. Duh

Wow, make a newbie to the site feel welcome why don't ye..:(.?

Anyway, the last 1858 I got from cabelas has rather dark grips. Just a dark stain or twice stained, then oil finished. I like the aged/used look it has.

BlackPowderSmoke
January 30, 2011, 10:26 PM
It would be interesting to see a Remmy with black grips, I hope someone post pics of one.

kameron454ci
January 30, 2011, 10:49 PM
yeah thanks for that... well I didnt just want to spray paint my grips i want something that wont chip, leave black crap on my hands and not look like a painted toy gun does anyone have any advice on this?

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
January 30, 2011, 11:21 PM
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o127/prizzel/0012_filtered-1.jpg

gyvel
January 30, 2011, 11:54 PM
yeah thanks for that... well I didnt just want to spray paint my grips i want something that wont chip, leave black crap on my hands and not look like a painted toy gun does anyone have any advice on this?

If you thoroughly degrease the grips, then fill in the grain, you can use a high quality spray flat black lacquer (such as Sherwin Williams) which will give you a pretty durable finish that's not going to wear off anytime soon. (And when it does, you merely repaint.)

Edit: I'm wondering if the guns you saw had either custom ebony grips or some aftermarket epoxy replicas which are cast in black, usually.

freedom475
January 31, 2011, 12:07 AM
If you are looking for an antique look/finish. Then I beleive that leather dye or even Vinegaroon leather dye would give the best antique style finish... The Dye may rub off a little to begin with but the Vinegaroon will not.

Vinegaroon is just rusty nails soaked in Vinegar for a a few weeks.. then when it is applied to leather it reacts to the tanic acids to form a jet black/charcoal finish to leaher... One of the original formulas is from the 1850's army manual..... This should react to the tanic acid in the wood exactly the same as a nail in a fence will turn the board black... You will have to sand the grips down a little if they have a varnish on them... But if you are after a real antique look this should work great for you...

Oh and welcome to the North Corral,, pour some coffee set a spell!! ... glad to help and please share pics of your pistol... really like to see how it turns out...

kameron454ci
January 31, 2011, 12:33 AM
thanks for the help guys with black grips and the Kirst my 5 1/2 inch 58 is going to have a whole new look. this gun is new and the blueing is dark i think I,m going for clean black more than a antique look

Doc Hoy
January 31, 2011, 05:59 AM
I have a Pietta Lawman, which is a 1851 Pattern Colt in .44 with black grips that are made from a composite material and screwed to the revolver just like Remington grips. The material is essentially a plastic. You can buy slabs of material such as this from various vendors. It might take a phone call to verify the characteristics of the material you order because in general the description of the material is not sufficient.

I have never examined the faux ivory grips that they sell for 135.00 a pair with the eagle carving. I would not be surprised to learn that they are plastic too and the eagle is not carved but injection molded and then roughed up to look carved. That means it costs about 50 cents to make them. If the eagle is actually carved it would probably be done on a machine, which means the cost of manufacture goes up exponentially (to a buck a pair) I want to emphasize....I have never seen a pair in person (only the photos) and I could be terribly wrong about them.

BTW...Welcome to the forum.

BConklin
January 31, 2011, 10:22 AM
I've done some wood staining with home made vinegaroon and the results can vary quite a bit.

In musical instrument making, they often use Fiebling's Professional Oil Dye to stain non-ebony fretboards and fingerboards on stringed instruments to look like ebony. Heck - since pure black ebony is so hard to find these days - they even use it on real ebony.

Google StewMac Black Fingerboard Stain

You're probably going to have to strip whatever finish is on the grips now - but as for a quality job, I'd say iff'n it's good enough for banjos, it's good enough for gun grips.

junkman_01
January 31, 2011, 11:04 AM
kameron454ci,

See I was correct. You have to use BLACK paint or Black stains to get BLACK grips! :D

Pahoo
January 31, 2011, 11:17 AM
If you are looking for an antique look/finish. Then I beleive that leather dye or even Vinegaroon leather dye would give the best antique style finish... The Dye may rub off a little to begin with but the Vinegaroon will not.


The leather dyes are what they call "Spirit" dyes. Whenever I want to get that deep dark look, I use a spirit dye. The more costs you apply, the deeper it gets and will stay even if you get a chip. Then you can apply a coat or oil, over the dye. After applying, Let it dry a few minuted and rub with a cloth. This spirit dye is basically what you have in a Sharpie, permament marker pen. Once you get the darkness you want, you can never go back to whatever you had before as it does go that deep and permanent.


Be Safe !!!

wogpotter
January 31, 2011, 12:58 PM
There are a couple of companies making replacement grips in just about any color or finish you want.
I got these in fake ivory but you could get black "horn" or something similar. The color is built in to the polymer so it wont peel or scratch off. They do take a little final fitting, but its easy to do. Prices vary with options but start at round $50.00, I added the "Pewter bear claw footprints" medallions to match my bag & holster for example.
"www.TombstoneGrips.com"
was the source & they have a brazillion samples at the website for you to check out.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/moosp/DSCF7668.jpg

replaced the original wood which I wasn't thrilled with.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/moosp/DSCF7569.jpg

bedbugbilly
January 31, 2011, 02:24 PM
freedom475 - on leather, when you use vinegaroon to dye it, you have to neutralize it afterwards with baking soda slurry. What about when you use it on the wood - do you still need to neutralize it afterwards? Thanks!

bedbugbilly
January 31, 2011, 02:28 PM
kameron454 - forgot to say "welcome" to the forum. You'll meet a lot of good pards on here. Lot's of good information and help - don't be afraid to ask.

As far as the rude remarks - let it run off . some folks don't know any better.

Enjoy! :)

kameron454ci
January 31, 2011, 03:15 PM
hmm a steel triger gaurd would be sweet to if you could blue it to match the gun I'm thinking of carring this gun when i get my ccp. tomarow my kirst will be here along with 50 200grn flat nose 45lc rounds I'm so excited!

junkman_01
January 31, 2011, 03:57 PM
bedbugbilly,
What's your problem? The truth is the truth!

wogpotter
January 31, 2011, 04:25 PM
What's your problem? The truth is the truth!
Like any other joke it's in the way you tell 'em.:rolleyes:

junkman_01
January 31, 2011, 04:33 PM
wogpotter,

I guess you and I are the only ones here with a sense of HUMOR! :cool: ;)

kameron454ci
January 31, 2011, 04:50 PM
just got a can of ebony stain ill post pic when done

noelf2
January 31, 2011, 07:55 PM
ok, ok, so you can remove the finish on the grips, then use a blow torch to lightly blacken the grips, then finish with a hard satin clear coat.

So there junkman, you are wrong :eek: No stain, no paint, duh! :cool:

junkman_01
January 31, 2011, 08:11 PM
...and the charred texture won't slip in your hand! :p

Razor740
January 31, 2011, 11:07 PM
OR.....
strip/sand the grips to bare wood, hit with Black Magic Marker then black KIWI shoe polish...
Easy, cheap... fast touch-up if you someday need to..
Been there, done that, works great...

Bill Akins
February 1, 2011, 01:29 AM
Welcome to the forum kameron454ci.

And here's another black gripped Remy pic for ya Blackpowdersmoke.

My black grip Remy. The grips have been stained such a dark brown that they appear to be black.

http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/45877/2290370470099763970S600x600Q85.jpg

Just a thought here, I've never actually tried this, but if someone wanted to get their stain or dye to permeate very deeply or even all the way though the wood of the grips so that no chips would show a lighter color, I wonder if you put your dye or stain in a pressure cooker pot along with the grips and with the heat and pressure of the pressure cooker, if it might cause the stain/dye to permeate all through the wood. Anyone here ever tried that and was your wife mad at you for using her pressure cooker for that? Lol.

Bill Akins
February 1, 2011, 12:07 PM
Wogpotter, would you please tell me where I can get a possibles bag like the one you have in this below pic? Also would love to hear a breakdown description of all the accessories (except the green satchel) you have in the below pic and where you got them from. I've got a similar holster but without the medallion. Thanks, Bill.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/moosp/DSCF7668.jpg

wogpotter
February 1, 2011, 04:09 PM
I'd be glad to, Bill.

The holster is from Cabela's, I added the bear print medallion, which I found at a Craft store. Its actually a button:o, but it does look nice so I fitted it to the holster's strap. The belt is also from Cabela's.

The bag is called the "Leatherman double belt pouch" & comes from "www.blackpowderbags.com". From the website there:
==================
"Price:
$50.00
SKU:
DB-601
Weight:
1.00 LBS

Product Description
This bag is designed to be used by the hunter but many find it handy for other uses. The rear pocket holds 5 speed loader tubes while the front pocket can be used to store tools , cleaning gear, extra caps or flints. A loop is included on the side to hold a short starter and a pocket is incorporated between the belt loop and the rear pocket that will hold a capper or primmer ready for use. A dee is sewn into the side seam to tie off capper or primer so it will never be dropped and lost. You will love this belt bag; it is all you need to carry 5 shots into the field in a small organized package. Belt loop accepts up to a 2 1/2" belt. "
============================

It has one slim pocket at the rear & 2 larger pouches in front, the inner one is accessed by just lifting the outer one, & the outer one is secured with a thong & button. I keep stuff I need for firing in the inside one & stuff for cleaning & maintenance in the outer as the inner is easier to access. There is a loop for a short starter, or powder measure sewn into the belt loop & a tie down for accessories as well. The belt loop is very deep & will work with the widest belts.

Be warned. This is not traditionally tanned & will discolor brass if it is left in there for long periods! I soaked this one with warm water & baking soda overnight & then rinsed it & it now does not have the effects of modern tanning. I just used some clear boot polish after air drying the leather to re-soften it. After I did that it is fine.

Here's some more pics showing all the cra, err stuff :D I cram in there for walking in the woods, or camping there for a week.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/moosp/DSCF7575.jpg

Here's the inside pocket with my shooting supplies.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/moosp/DSCF7578.jpg

Here's the outside one with the cleaning & maintenance stuff.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/moosp/DSCF7582.jpg

By threading a thong through some brass rings I can also convert it from a belt pouch to a shoulder strap type.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/moosp/DSCF7584.jpg
Hope that helps.

Bill Akins
February 2, 2011, 02:09 AM
It did indeed help Wogpotter. I'm going to check out that possibles bag. I like it very much. I take WAY too much BP stuff to the range with me and have several possibles bags I keep my BP stuff in. I need to consolidate down and a bag like yours is just the ticket to replace the larger possibles bag I carry. I can leave my other bags in the car so if I need them they are there, but just carry a bag on my belt like yours instead of having a large one slung over my shoulder. Thanks for that info.

noelf2
February 2, 2011, 05:11 PM
FWIW, I just saw a video of a guy who got an ebony finish on a gun grip by dunking/soaking it in black leather dye. You can fix any chips with more dye, and/or put a clear flat finish on it.

BlackPowderSmoke
February 2, 2011, 09:43 PM
Thanks for posting pics of the black grips, kwhi43@kc.rr.com & Bill Akins. For some reason, that is something I just could not visualize no matter how hard I tried. I sure do like the looks of them, gives the revs a unique look, IMO. I have a few sets of blanks, I think I am going to stain a set repeatedly until they turn dark. Saweet!!!

madcratebuilder
February 3, 2011, 09:25 AM
The newer "gun coatings" you can buy like Alum hyde or Dura coat when applied to wood give you a very smooth finish. A gloss black would look like ebony when applied to wood grips.

Carrying your 'stuff' in the field is a pain. There are several patterns on the net for making your own possibles bag. Fun and a cheap project. Don't leave home without it.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/possiblesbag.jpg


This project brought back memories of jr high shop classes and doing leather work. Sharp tools and a sewing machine are 90% of the battle.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/holster01.jpg

You can find hundreds of different style "concho's" on evil bay to dress up your leather.

kameron454ci
February 3, 2011, 10:24 AM
well i got my grip done i think it looks great! i dont know why but photo bucket has not worked for me for the last week and the pictures are to big of a file size to upload here what shoul i do?

junkman_01
February 3, 2011, 12:16 PM
If you send me the files I will reduce them in Photoshop and send them back to you so you can post them. :)

kameron454ci
February 3, 2011, 01:52 PM
email sent

junkman_01
February 3, 2011, 03:09 PM
Photos worked and sent back to you for posting.

kameron454ci
February 3, 2011, 06:35 PM
ahh here you go and I just got my kirst this morning works like clockwork straight out of the box.

kameron454ci
February 3, 2011, 06:40 PM
all i did was use some off the shelf ebony stain at the hardware six coats i think. I think it looks pretty cash

junkman_01
February 3, 2011, 07:11 PM
...and here they are in a more viewable size....

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66986&d=1296778158

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66985&d=1296778158

kameron454ci
February 3, 2011, 07:51 PM
thanks what do you guys think? i should have done a before and after pics

Bill Akins
February 4, 2011, 03:32 AM
Looks very nice. I prefer a higher gloss vs the matte finish though. But each to their own.

wogpotter
February 4, 2011, 09:23 AM
Nice!
If you want a higher-gloss finish just load 'em up with Pledge, several coats.:D