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capflyboy05
January 30, 2011, 06:13 PM
So this is a big question I've always had.
I have 3 years until I turn 21 and can use my concealed carry.
(Even then, I'll be in the Air Force, and no CC is allowed on any base.)
But if you're in a "nice neighborhood" do you still carry?
I know that bad people are everywhere.
But I had a very naive person tell me theres no need to carry in "nice areas."
I strongly disagree because bad things happen all over.
What do you all think about this subject?

bigghoss
January 30, 2011, 06:27 PM
heck I carry at church. I work on an army base so the only time I'm out of arms reach of a gun is on the drive to work until I draw my weapons and then from turn-in until I get home.

if I knew when and where I was going to need a gun I just wouldn't show up!

ARick81
January 30, 2011, 06:30 PM
Just because "nice" people live in an area does not mean that no "bad" people will be there. If you plan to carry then carry, don 't assume that just because you are in a "good" neighborhood that nothing can happen because you never know. When i was growing up (in a "bad" neighborhood) all the nice bikes were in the "good" neighborhoods surrounding us. Needless to say that there were "bad" kids going over there to steal bikes, break into houses and cars, etc etc etc... Always remember that the bad guys know where to go to get the nice things... The nice neighborhoods
Btw i never participated in those activities. I just watched the dumb kids get in trouble and laughed at them

Puntmefar
January 30, 2011, 06:34 PM
Have you ever noticed the nice areas are never to far from the bad areas say within 15-20 minutes at the most.Also the BG living in the ghetto knows where the nice areas are and that there are fatter wallets there. I have to wander what makes a person think a nice area is less of a tatget for a BG rather than a sweeter target. My awnser is deffinatly there is a need to carry in a nice area the BG's dont exactly make a reservation to come to your area.

X_shooter
January 30, 2011, 06:45 PM
I live in a nice neighborhood. Unfortunately I must leave it to go to work, shop, go to resturaunts, ect...

I probably have neighbors that aren't nice people. The price of a house does does not determine the quality of a person. I have also found that bad people come into my neighborhood. So I carry.

threegun
January 30, 2011, 06:56 PM
I carry when and where legal.......no exceptions.

bravo124
January 30, 2011, 09:17 PM
I carry all the time. Sounds like you're head is in the right place. Try to educate that potential victim. If you can't, at least you did your job and tried.

Glocktastic
January 30, 2011, 09:23 PM
I would always carry whenever possible. Would you leave the first aid kit, extra water, and emergency blankets home if you went for a day hike? No, you would go prepared "just in case." Same goes for carrying a gun, right? Thats my two cents.

curt.45
January 30, 2011, 09:52 PM
I live in a "nice neighborhood" and I carry in my house, when I'm running the snow blower, when I mow the grass.....

its on the toilet tank when I shower.


you see a pattern developing here?

I hope your naive person never needs a gun in a nice neighborhood.

mete
January 30, 2011, 09:52 PM
Many times I've seen the tv news about a serious crime. A neighbor says 'nothing like that has ever happened here before' .If you research it you will find a list of gun attacks in churches ,schools ,nice neighborhoods ,even gated communities [where drug dealers live as they think it's safer !]

Nnobby45
January 30, 2011, 09:56 PM
My life style incorporates CCW. I don't care what neighborhood I'm in. Could get a little silly arming yourself for "bad" neighborhoods, disarming for "good" ones, rearming for bad sectioins of town, disarming for good ones, arming at night while in town, but not during the day unless you happen to be in another section..........ad nauseum.:cool:

Carter
January 30, 2011, 10:25 PM
Nice areas still have crime.
Churches still have crime
Everywhere has crime.
No safe place exists, no matter how secure. If it did, why are there armed guards on the inside of the pentagon?

I carry every where I'm legally allowed to. That includes nice areas.

orionengnr
January 30, 2011, 10:33 PM
Carry 24/7 or guess right.

Mr. James
January 31, 2011, 12:39 AM
Your location says you're from Virginia, as am I. The Mexican drug gang Zetas were recently found to be operating a commercially significant marijuana growing operation . . . in Richmond County (pop. about 3,000). Various nasty gangs are in operation throughout the Commonwealth, including in one of the richest counties in the nation (Fairfax). Hell, they're bleeding westward, too.

Criminals don't observe that yellow line on the road saying, "nice neighborhood."

Wait 'til you're legal (please, trust me on this), and then carry where legal. And don't be in too much of a hurry. Until you have the self-mastery to use a weapon when you should, and walk away when you shouldn't, you don't need a firearm.

Please understand, I don't mean to say you aren't there already, but I certainly wasn't.

Manbearpig
January 31, 2011, 12:54 AM
if I knew when and where I was going to need a gun I just wouldn't show up!

I think Bigghoss summed it up perfectly here. Well worded.

EricReynolds
January 31, 2011, 01:03 AM
That grocery store in Tucson was in a nice neighborhood. VA Tech. was in a nice neighborhood. Lubby's cafteria in Kileen Texas was in a nice neighborhood. When the martians invade earth, they'll likely land in a nice neighborhood.

capflyboy05
January 31, 2011, 02:01 AM
Mr. James, no offence taken at all.
I train quite often with pistols. (Not mine)
I practice using a G19 G23, using a holster.
And I'm also leaving for basic training for the AF in a few months.
I cant ccw on base, but once I'm off base I can.
I will ccw whenever I can, both while I am in the military, and once out.

sakeneko
January 31, 2011, 02:08 AM
I live in a neighborhood that could have come straight out of the set of "Leave it to Beaver", updated for 2010. It's full of single-family homes, most of them older and surrounded by mature trees and nice, but not overly manicured, lawns that frequently have children's toys scattered on them, with or without children, and dogs. (Can't forget the dogs.) There are three schools -- a public elementary school, private elementary school, and public high school -- within a mile of my house. There's a working small farm/ranch about a half mile away. There's a park next door, and a half dozen within the neighborhood. People fish in the nearby river. Most of the neighbors know at least their immediate neighbors, and frequently the people on the next block. My husband and I moved here two years ago, and are still the newcomers.

The "Stop Crime" web site shows exactly one crime reported in this neighborhood -- in the past *five* years. That crime was a residential burglary during the work day. No violence was involved. However, this lovely, peaceful, crime-free neighborhood is less than two miles from a downtown core that has one of the highest violent crime rates of any city in this class. "Stop Crime" reports a couple dozen crimes, seven involving violence, in that area in the past *week*.

I carry any time I leave the house unless I am going to a place where carry is illegal. Then I carry the most effective self defense tools that are legal, and plan my activities to minimize the time I spend without my preferred self defense method -- a small handgun.

This isn't because I live in fear of crime. If I actually felt unsafe where I live, I'd move. :-) But there is no place that is 100% safe all the time. Since I would probably not carry often if I allowed myself to leave the house without my carry gun, I simply don't do that except when I must. It's one way to be sure that, when the unexpected violence happens, I'm prepared.

BikerRN
January 31, 2011, 03:54 AM
If I felt that I was going to need my gun I wouldn't go to that place.

Hence I carry everywhere legally allowed. I learned a long time ago, bad things happen to good people in the nicest of places.

Biker

Nnobby45
January 31, 2011, 07:48 AM
Just saw a new flash (ok, I didn't, but I'll make the point, anyway:D).

Criminals have been know to seek out "nice" neigborhoods because certain crimes are more productive there. :cool:

Double Naught Spy
January 31, 2011, 09:37 AM
Do you still carry in a "nice neighborhood"?

You know, the people that often feel the most victimized by a crime are those who felt the safest before the crime, especially those who felt they were safe because of the neighborhood in which they lived or worked.

AirForceShooter
January 31, 2011, 09:53 AM
Do you expect thieves to rob poor people?
They don't have anything worth taking.

As Willy Sutton said when asked why he robbed banks. "Because that's where the money is"

AFS

Idahoser
January 31, 2011, 10:16 AM
a) every place was once that 'nice neighborhood' people chose to get away from some other place. Can you pinpoint exactly when it went bad? Could you have predicted it reliably before it happened?

b) is there a metal detector at the entrance to the neighborhood?

http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/

Skans
January 31, 2011, 10:29 AM
I'm one of those guys that picks and chooses where I'm going to carry. On this forum, I know it'll sound like I'm the odd man out. But, in general, I'd bet most folks who carry don't carry a gun all of the time.

For me, it's simply a matter of convenience. I will admit that there has been at least one time when I wasn't carrying when I suddenly discovered that I wish I had been. Fortunately, everything turned out ok - I was able to discretely access my gun fast enough and it turns out that I difused the situation to where I didn't need it at all.

Life is full of risks and choices. Whether you carry at all, some times or all of the time - it's your choice. I just want it to be known that I (and probably a large number of gun owners) don't think someone is "wrong" by choosing when and where to carry a gun.

BikerRN
January 31, 2011, 12:36 PM
I'm one of those guys that picks and chooses where I'm going to carry. On this forum, I know it'll sound like I'm the odd man out. But, in general, I'd bet most folks who carry don't carry a gun all of the time.



You're probably right. As most gun toters aren't members of gun forums either. Sadly most don't get any training beyond their permit either.

Biker

mycrobyte
January 31, 2011, 06:55 PM
Always carry when and where legal.

AH.74
January 31, 2011, 08:29 PM
If I were a criminal I would target a neighborhood just like mine.

Think like a criminal.

Glenn E. Meyer
February 1, 2011, 10:50 AM
No such thing as a nice neighborhood. Unless you are in Fort Knox - what's nice? Congresswoman Gifford was in a nice neighbhorhood. The Petits were in a nice neighborhood. My most scary time was going to an upscale cello concert.

Rufus T Firefly
February 1, 2011, 06:52 PM
Last summer my girlfriend came home from work and the streets were blocked off since someone pulled over jumped from his car with a gun and was running thru the area. The cops never told anyone, she called me on her cell phone to say she would be 1/2 late or so. We did not own anything at the time so I could only sit there and try to call the neighbors to warn them.
No area is a "unaffected area".

Constantine
February 1, 2011, 07:21 PM
Everyone pretty much summed it up. No one is safe in any location at any given time. Better to be prepared for your life than not to be. Once I did not have my firearm on me when I went into a convenient store and some shady people walked in. I was with my girl and usually I think steps through to protect her and myself, play it over in my head just in case. I though she was going to stay in the car (where I leave the G22 or 1911 by her side with the car locked I run in and get the snacks for our home movie and that's it) but she came down as I go out. COMPLETELY slipped my mind and wasn't thinking about doubling back to grab my gun tuck it in and go. There were people standing in front of my car. It was at night 7-11. So anyways, inside and played the scene in my head the "what if scenarios" only to realize. Seriously..now, what if? I felt so naked that one time. Had something happened to her I'd never live myself and had something happened to me. My pops would have thought he taught me better.

It may sound dramatic but if you've been there you know that feeling right?

Anyways nothing happened. And there are times my martial arts really cannot save me. That time felt like it. Miami folks carry guns legally and illegally. Even the dirt bags.

Iam2taz
February 2, 2011, 01:57 AM
Young man was killed at the gas station I fill up at all of the time. Next to my very nice neighborhood. He wasn't a gang banger, drug dealer or anything else. They just wanted the money he was carrying. In the last six weeks I believe we have had three shootings in town. Now that is on the northside and I live on the south side. About 7 miles away. (Big distance.) I believe those were drug related. We live between two major cities and get a lot of trash moving their "stuff" around. I don't want to be caught in some stupid cross fire at Wally world and not be able to defend myself just because I am in a nice area of town.

Carry everywhere you can. Heck, I have a pistol very close to me right now on the computer.

Just sayin'

AZ Infidel
February 2, 2011, 02:33 AM
If I am awake, I am armed....even in church.

Glenn Bartley
February 2, 2011, 09:23 AM
But I had a very naive person tell me theres no need to carry in "nice areas." You answered your own question by saying the person who told you that you do not need to carry in "nice neighborhoods" is naive.

All the best,
GB

kraigwy
February 2, 2011, 09:51 AM
I live in a nice neighborhood, not really actually, I live in the country and don't even have a key to my house. But I still carry. Came out of the shop one night and shot a fox getting my chickens, more then once I've had to dispatch rattlers in my yards, last fall shot one under my back steps.

TexRanger
February 2, 2011, 10:14 AM
I also grew up in a fairly nice neighborhood in Las Vegas during the 70s. It was middle class and outside of the casino areas. Before we moved, we experienced three attempted burglaries. Someone was home during each of the three attempts and fortunately was armed. No one was ever injured but you can be sure that my parents carried all of the time.

As others have said, the criminals know where to shop.

MikeNice81
February 2, 2011, 11:00 AM
A paragraph from Marko Kloos



There are people in this world to whom you’re not a human being. They don’t want to be respected by you. They don’t care about you–they’re not even really aware of you. They only care about the food you represent, the money that’s in your pocket. You’re not a person to them, but an obstacle. You’re just in the way of the reward, like a wrapper around a candy bar, and these people are willing to discard you just like that wrapper in order to get what they want.


Now, with the unwitting help of Henry Ford, those people can get nearly any where at any time. They can also get away before the cops can arive. The best thing to do is, make sure that you are ready to face them where ever they decide to show up.

Stevie-Ray
February 2, 2011, 01:53 PM
Carry 24/7 or guess right. I'll go along with that.;)

The slums are dangerous because that's where they live.
Nice neighborhoods are dangerous because that's where they hunt.