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bjones870
January 25, 2011, 08:26 PM
Ok, I'm not new to firearms at all. But when this question came about, I was lost. So here's my situation. I am looking for a gun that is good for home defense, and yard defense. I live in the country, and have around an 8 acre yard, and my closest neighbor is around 2/3 of a mile away. If I see someone/something in my yard, I want a good gun I know i can grab that'd be good for around 25 yards or so. Im also looking for a gun to keep by my bed in case something goes bump in the night. Am I looking at buying two different guns, or is there a gun for my "situation"?

Brian Pfleuger
January 25, 2011, 08:27 PM
25 yards?

12ga, buckshot. 'nuf said.



(Assuming you can shoot it well, handle the recoil... all that)

BGutzman
January 25, 2011, 08:31 PM
Yes the 12 GA is the master of this situation.

sirsloop
January 25, 2011, 08:56 PM
bright motion flood lights on your house, barking dog, pump shotty...

419
January 25, 2011, 09:18 PM
+1 on the 12 ga. I think that a remington 870 or mossberg 500 would do nicely in this situation.

Plus there is a lot of versatility in a 12 ga. With the right shells you would be suited for pretty much any situation that could arise, unless you need to be able to conceal the weapon.

bjones870
January 25, 2011, 09:38 PM
Well, I've got a 20 gauge 870 express mag. I love that gun with every fiber of my being. So I guess I'll just buy an 870 12 gauge. I don't have to conceal it. So buckshot? Would that over penetrate in the home? If I was to shoot 000?

youngunz4life
January 25, 2011, 09:46 PM
if you want only one firearm then I agree with the shotgun and you should be able to get a good one(mossberg 500, remington 870, etc) for 200something dollars(unless prices went up). If you're gonna keep the shotgun locked up and not next to your bed, next to your nightstand, or in your vacinity, I would buy a revolver too. a rifle and a reolver would work too: home defense gun and something that could shoot across the yard at a wild animal. I like that idea better for what you specifically inquired about but you can't go wrong with a shotgun- you're just not going to get the distance if a long shot happens on your 8 acres

Scout
January 25, 2011, 09:48 PM
I think your 20 would work for you.

youngunz4life
January 25, 2011, 09:51 PM
I think your 20 would work for you.

I would buy a different 'animal' if you buy another since you already got the 20

ojibweindian
January 25, 2011, 09:58 PM
A 20 gauge will work just fine. Use the money you'd have spent on a 12 gauge and buy plenty of ammo.

Stevie-Ray
January 25, 2011, 10:13 PM
20 is fine for the shotgun; I would suggest a handgun that you can comfortably wear OWB in and around the homestead. Carrying a shotgun everywhere you go on 8 acres would grow tiresome, I would think. I have a shotgun also, but I carry a .45 ACP or 10mm handgun always.

Jeff F
January 25, 2011, 10:20 PM
I've got an 870, a 4in 357, a 1911 and a Mini 14. I live rural on a couple acres. I have herd bumps in the night and I always grab the 870 if a firearm might be called for. I'll let loose the land sharks to check out the yard. Strangers at the door or in the drive and a sidearm is small of back covered up just in case.

Doc TH
January 25, 2011, 10:21 PM
Agree with the above comments that the 20 ga. should be sufficient for your purposes.

Lokpyrite
January 26, 2011, 12:14 AM
Gotta +1 Stevie Ray, carrying around a shotgun to go down to the mail box or riding a lawnmower will get old real quick. That said, nothing wrong with a 20 ga.

Dwight55
January 26, 2011, 08:43 AM
I have a similar situation, 10 acres, out in the boonies. I also have a couple of handguns and a really good 12 gauge that is my backup "go to" gun.

My first choice is my AR, . . . 30 rd mag, . . . FMJ ammo.

I chose it because of the round count, . . . the precision with which I can make that round count "count", . . . the quickness of followup shots, . . . the inexpensive availability of HD and SD ammo for practice, . . . and if I do have to "confront" a bg with it, . . . I have no doubt that he/she will understand the seriousness of the situation as I appear with the AR.

In your situation, . . . even an AK might be something to consider. The AR, an AK, an M1 or M1A, an FAL or another semi-auto battle rifle is comforting to have.

May God bless,
Dwight

aarondhgraham
January 26, 2011, 09:29 AM
http://www.aarondgraham.com/pics/daisy.jpg

'Nuff said? ;)

Aarond

chewie146
January 26, 2011, 09:49 AM
Hey,

What are the chances you're going to have to use it? Is it for stray/feral dogs and some coyotes, or is this area known for running drugs? Country can mean a lot of things. Personally, my H&R single shot would be my bet for toting around, simply because it's light weight and the 12 gauge is a great round for versatility. 25 yards is within range, for sure. If that's not enough, a Hi Point 9mm would be good, as would one of the revolver-caliber leverguns. Something in .357 from marlin would fill the bill nicely. You could load it with some glasers or the like for home defense.

jmortimer
January 26, 2011, 10:40 AM
No reason not to get an 870 12 guage (I would get a Police Grade) but your 20 will work fine as everyone has said with buckshot. I would add a .357 revolver - very useful out in the country. I live on 20 acres with nearest neighbor about a half a mile away similar to your situation. 4" Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 both good nightstand guns and still light enough to carry around. Right now I'm using a 12 guage with # 4 buck shot, 00 buck shot and slugs and I carry around a little .380 ACP with flat nose bullets that weighs 20 ounces when I'm outside working. Nice to have something on the belt as I don't always want to carry around the 12 guage.

bjones870
January 26, 2011, 10:40 AM
Well, I have an XDM .45, so the pistol is taken care of. Our family has a dog, and a cat showed up one day and won't leave. So we have two pets, and coyotes are certainly a problem. There is no drug traffic or anything like that. But wild animals, bobcats, coyotes, foxes, are a burden. So my 20 Gauge with buckshot or bird should do fine for home and yard? I obviously want to kill the animal, if need be. I wouldn't want to wound it, and let it suffer for days on end. Would an AR (in .223) be a good choice, or something to consider?

Onward Allusion
January 26, 2011, 11:21 AM
bjones870
Yard/ home defense gun
Ok, I'm not new to firearms at all. But when this question came about, I was lost. So here's my situation. I am looking for a gun that is good for home defense, and yard defense. I live in the country, and have around an 8 acre yard, and my closest neighbor is around 2/3 of a mile away. If I see someone/something in my yard, I want a good gun I know i can grab that'd be good for around 25 yards or so. Im also looking for a gun to keep by my bed in case something goes bump in the night. Am I looking at buying two different guns, or is there a gun for my "situation"?

There are those of us that believe the 12 gauge shotgun is the end all for home defense. I am not one of those people. While a 12 ga is great for outdoor at closer distances, it is definitely not for all indoor situations. INDOORS Shotguns are unwieldy, especially with narrow hallways and corners. The spread pattern is not as wide as some might think. Also, there's the issue of getting off a clean shot should a BG be holding onto one of your loved ones as a shield. With that said, if you're planning on holding yourself and family up in a safe room, then a shotgun is a very good option.

The bottom line is that you need 2 guns. Some type of handgun in a decent caliber with good capacity for indoor and a 12 or 20 ga shotgun with decent capacity for outdoors.

Onward Allusion
January 26, 2011, 11:23 AM
20 is fine for the shotgun; I would suggest a handgun that you can comfortably wear OWB in and around the homestead. Carrying a shotgun everywhere you go on 8 acres would grow tiresome, I would think. I have a shotgun also, but I carry a .45 ACP or 10mm handgun always.


^^^^^
THIS!

Brian Pfleuger
January 26, 2011, 11:50 AM
It's pretty clear that the OP is not planning to carry this gun around with him. In fact, the additional details indicate that he is most worried about coyotes and vermin bothering his animals.

I'd get a 22 rifle, use the already owned 20ga with the appropriate ammo for the situation and a higher caliber rifle (22-250, 243) for longer shots or larger critters.

You could get it all for probably $500.

psyfly
January 26, 2011, 12:03 PM
Your 20 gauge with #4 Turkey loads will do fine for the cat that won't leave.

Anything much bigger, I'd go with a minimum of #4 or #3 Buck (Coyotes, BGs) and, yes, I agree that your 20 guage will do fine.

Best,

Will

therewolf
January 26, 2011, 01:59 PM
If I ever had to protect my yard or home from another bad yard or home, I don't
know what I'd do...

Seriously, while a twelve gauge shotgun comes to mind, I don't own one.
IMO it's very personal, and what makes you happy is best for you.

Rifleman1776
January 26, 2011, 02:33 PM
I keep a Ruger 10/22 handy at all times. It has a 30 round mag. I believe presence of a firearm is a huge deterrent. If that fails, 30 rounds should be very adequate. I keep a pistol on the bed for night crawlers.

Skans
January 26, 2011, 02:37 PM
I keep an old 30-30 in a cabin I've got on about 10 acres. When I'm at my cabin, I can hear someone coming down the gravel road a good 3 minutes before they even hit my gravel drive. Since no one EVER goes up my driveway without me knowing that they are coming, I reckon I just don't need to carry a gun when I'm out on my land. If someone showed up who doesn't belong (doubt it would ever happen) I can access my 30-30 or any other gun I happen to have with me in plenty of time.

I suppose I look at it this way: "Do I really need to carry a gun on my own land" and I guess I've answered "Nope". Now, when I'm at home, I still don't carry when I'm out and about on my property, but I do keep a couple of guns closer, in the event I might need one.

youngunz4life
January 26, 2011, 07:05 PM
The bottom line is that you need 2 guns. Some type of handgun in a decent caliber with good capacity for indoor and a 12 or 20 ga shotgun with decent capacity for outdoors.

YEP

Jeff F
January 26, 2011, 08:09 PM
You know the Remington 870 20 gauge youth model or for that mater any youth model 20 is just about perfect for home defense or a behind the seat truck gun.

Bullet94
January 27, 2011, 01:48 AM
bjones870

Would an AR (in .223) be a good choice, or something to consider?


You have the handgun and the shotgun. I think an AR-15 would be a great choice for your rifle. Plus an AR is a lot of fun to shoot.

69MachOne
January 27, 2011, 01:56 AM
accessorized AR-15, Shotgun (in house), .45acp with night sites, rail TLR-1.

geno22
February 8, 2011, 07:22 PM
I reload my own, 12 gauge lead B.B.'s 18 an 1/2 in barrel 870 REM 1 1/2 oz of shot.

BikerRN
February 8, 2011, 07:48 PM
The bottom line is that you need 2 guns. Some type of handgun in a decent caliber with good capacity for indoor/outdoor and a 12 or 20 ga shotgun with decent capacity for outdoors and to repel boarders.


I fixed the above comment, but agree with the general sentiment.

I grew up spending a lot of time in the woods as a kid. The 10/22 was my handy always around rifle. The shotgun was carried often in place of the 10/22, depending upon what I was doing, but I kept a revolver on my person as well. To be 15 again, and have the woods at my backdoor.

Nope, no parental supervision most days. I was big enough to get myself in a mess, I better be big enough to get myself out of it.

Biker

nate45
February 8, 2011, 07:54 PM
I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest a 20-12 ga shotgun loaded with buck shot. :)

kraigwy
February 8, 2011, 10:29 PM
I live in the country on 29 Acres. My house gun (642) works in my yard just like it does in the house.

Mello2u
February 9, 2011, 05:50 PM
bjones870

Yard/ home defense gun
Ok, I'm not new to firearms at all. But when this question came about, I was lost. So here's my situation. I am looking for a gun that is good for home defense, and yard defense. I live in the country, and have around an 8 acre yard, and my closest neighbor is around 2/3 of a mile away. If I see someone/something in my yard, I want a good gun I know i can grab that'd be good for around 25 yards or so. Im also looking for a gun to keep by my bed in case something goes bump in the night. Am I looking at buying two different guns, or is there a gun for my "situation"?

You set a few parameters in you post.
Not new to firearms
for home defense and good to 25 yards

Assuming you are only concerned with human threats:

Since you are not concerned with with concealment or a small size to carry around, you can go to the much more effective platform of a long-arm firearm, rather than a handgun. A 12GA shotgun with buckshot is much more effective round, shot for shot, than any defensive handgun. A carbine in .223, 7.62 x 39mm, or similar carbine round (not a handgun round in a carbine sized platform) would also be much more effective shot for shot than a defensive hand gun. The long arms also have the great advantage of being more accurate at longer ranged due to the ability to stabilize the firearm with two hands at two different points and a shoulder.
One consideration of a 12GA with buckshot is the choice of barrel and sights. A slug barrel is open bore and allows the buckshot to spread quickly. It has been determined that with such a barrel only 3 or 4 (usually 3) of the 9 buckshot pellets hit a 42" "Pepper Popper" at 25 yards. That is sufficient to knock a Pepper Popper down which is calibrated to fall when hit with a .45ACP 230gr round to the center of the target. Using slugs is a possible choice.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9826/42inpopper.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/42inpopper.jpg/)
Pepper Popper

Since you are familiar with firearms you may also want to consider a carbine which can be short enough for inside defense and can reach out and touch someone for outside defense.

However, the more distance between you and your target, the more difficulty you might have in justifying that target as an imminent threat and the use of deadly force. Shooting someone inside of your home versus shooting someone outside of your home at a range or 25 or 30 yards is something to consider.

jackpine
February 9, 2011, 07:15 PM
If you have an XDM and a 20 ga 870 already then maybe a repeater rifle would be good. AR 15 is fine so is a mini-14. You could get an AK if you want to save a little money but you'll get what you pay for.

The most often used guns when I lived in the woods were 22 rifles for pests and food, 12 ga 870 for birds and bigger pests and a 22 single action revolver because I had it at hand all the time. I also had a 357 that I carried 1/2 the time and during big game season because it's of better use than the rifle or shotgun I left in the house or truck.

Terry A
February 10, 2011, 12:08 AM
My Bushmaster AK .223 w/ 30 round mag is my "outside" weapon of choice.
Shotguns are nice, but w/ the longer range capabilities of the .223, plus the extra rounds, it's applications aren't as limited as the shotgun.

Pharmacology
February 10, 2011, 12:50 AM
A slug barrel is open bore and allows the buckshot to spread quickly. It has been determined that with such a barrel only 3 or 4 (usually 3) of the 9 buckshot pellets hit a 42" "Pepper Popper" at 25 yards. That is sufficient to knock a Pepper Popper down which is calibrated to fall when hit with a .45ACP 230gr round to the center of the target. Using slugs is a possible choice.
I was under the impression that using shot in a slug barrel produces a "doughnut" shaped pattern, which is highly undesirable.

Isn't a tightly clustered pattern preferred, especially at extended distances?

scifreak13
February 10, 2011, 01:04 AM
i keep a 243 dpms with r/g dot sight for long range. in my home i keep my 45 1911 tauras nearby with silencer (i hate noise most my guns are silenced) but where your situation come to mind... do you wanna hit it with a pot shot or are you wantin to dead aim the bg or other ?

Rufus T Firefly
February 10, 2011, 03:37 AM
If you warn them and they don't duck.... A Mosin Nagant 7.62 54mm. Or what ever ammo I buy when I an not having refreshments. I hear this $89 thing is good out to 1000 yards. I really don't know for sure the fireball obsures the view. Best to warn them with a verbal command. It tends to keep you out of the court system. Try.... "Hey you stupid moronic jerk, you are on my rifle range and land.... get off before we practice". Might be a legal disclaimer, just not sure. Other wise, release the hounds..... or attack chickens.

Nnobby45
February 10, 2011, 04:08 AM
Since no one EVER goes up my driveway without me knowing that they are coming, I reckon I just don't need to carry a gun when I'm out on my land. If someone showed up who doesn't belong (doubt it would ever happen) I can access my 30-30 or any other gun I happen to have with me in plenty of time.



Well, ok, that might be fine as long as Bubba announces his approach by motoring down a noisy road and then further announces himself by coming up your noisier driveway. Then you can head for your 30-30, which I'm assuming will still be in the cabin.

On the other hand, I can't help but think that if Bubba and his friends wanted to approach your cabin unannounced (like on foot from a direction of his choosing), he might have access to your 30-30 before you do, and you'll still be outside on your property----maybe armed with a pistol or maybe not.

Now, of course that's just my sinister mind at work trying to think like a criminal and consider the worst case scenario---or how would I take you down if I was Bubba. Don't know if I'm wiser as I get older or just more paranoid, but, if I had ten acres and was isolated, I'd likely be armed while outside. Having someone get between me and my cabin would be one of my paranoias.

There's a new show I've been watching about game wardens in Northern Calif. It's called Wild Justice, and I know some of you have seen it.

Isolated rural areas, and even semi-rural areas, have no shortage of meth heads, pot growers (MS13 from the cities), and professional market poachers, hardcore poachers, etc, etc. Wardens seem to be as busy arresting criminals, as they are protecting game species. I had no idea how many they caught just by checking their hunting licenses, or citing those without licenses. That's not how I remember rural California, but that's how it is now.

I imagine California isn't the only place where all that goes on.

Guess I'd be as concerned about getting to my defensive weapon as I am about what kind it might be.:cool:

Just my thoughts on the matter.:cool:

Mello2u
February 10, 2011, 02:12 PM
Pharmacology


Mello2u
A slug barrel is open bore and allows the buckshot to spread quickly. It has been determined that with such a barrel only 3 or 4 (usually 3) of the 9 buckshot pellets hit a 42" "Pepper Popper" at 25 yards. That is sufficient to knock a Pepper Popper down which is calibrated to fall when hit with a .45ACP 230gr round to the center of the target. Using slugs is a possible choice.
I was under the impression that using shot in a slug barrel produces a "doughnut" shaped pattern, which is highly undesirable.

Isn't a tightly clustered pattern preferred, especially at extended distances?

I doubt you could create a "doughnut" shaped pattern in a smooth bore. I believe it would take centripetal force to be introduced to the shot which requires spin.

I would prefer a tight clustered pattern for my buckshot. I merely related the facts. I did not offer that it was optimal.

Rufus T Firefly
February 13, 2011, 03:59 AM
Unless you live in Illinois and you have to give your guns to the bad guys because of state law.

ncpatriot
February 13, 2011, 05:32 PM
I like my .38 snubby for in the house or yard, but I have only 3/4 acre lot & neighbors on both sides. For a larger yard, I'd use a shotgun for the yard. I have a 12g pump, 30 inch barrel. I need to get a shorter barrel pump. When I have the $, I want to look at the Mossberg kit with 18 1/2 inch & 28 inch barrels, standard stock & pistol grip. That covers a lot of situations. I also have 20g & .410 single barrels, but I wouldn't use them for HD unless I had nothing else.

I like the handgun at the moment because most people who drive up, day or night, turn out to be OK. Legit visitors or looking for a neighbor they can identify, etc. We've had a beggar or 2, in daytime. Even they didn't seem threatening. I can have my snubby in my pocket, hand on & ready to pull instantly, yet not cause someone a heart attack that's not a BG. We're fortunate that, even on the edge of a less than tranquil city, our neighborhood has seen little crime. A little teen vandalism at vacant houses has been most we've seen. That's bad enough, but in the scheme of things, could be much worse. If things get bad here, I'll meet people with pump gun in hand. A pump gun is menacing to behold if one has bad intentions.

huntinaz
February 13, 2011, 05:47 PM
So here's my situation. I am looking for a gun that is good for home defense, and yard defense. I live in the country, and have around an 8 acre yard, and my closest neighbor is around 2/3 of a mile away. If I see someone/something in my yard, I want a good gun I know i can grab that'd be good for around 25 yards or so.

Without getting creative, I think a shotgun or AR would both be good choices.

MrWin94
February 13, 2011, 06:21 PM
Mid sized rifle for long shots, good handgun that you are comfortable for carry, the taurus judge would be versatile. If your only want one gun buy a good pump shotgun in whatever gauge you can handle. 12 gauge would be th ideal choice. Get a good flashlight for things that go bump in the night, and train train train for defense. Be familiar with whatever you choose and good luck.

L_Killkenny
February 13, 2011, 06:51 PM
I don't know where you folks got that he was wanting to carry this or any gun all over his place. Carrying to go to the mail box? Come on now. I send the kids to check it all the time and they aren't armed. Figure I can make too. As for shotgun vs. handgun for HD it's been covered before. SHort shotguns aren't an issue.

For HD and defence of property from critters you're 20 is pretty good. I'd get a smoothbore slug barrel and sight it some slugs for them coyotes that hang up out there at 75 yards and use 00 buckshot for anything inside 30 yards.

Other option.....357 lever gun.

BTW, You'd be an idiot to go outside to investigate a bump in the night if ya think it walks on 2 legs. Most states have castle laws but most don't cover your entire property. Even if you are covered by law there is nothing outside worth shooting someone over or getting shot. Just call the cops and bunker down.

LK

Wolfeye
February 13, 2011, 10:52 PM
Lots of good answers so far, and I thought I'd chime in with mine:

My preference is a 20-ga loaded with birdshot for the first 1-2 rounds, the rest #4 buckshot. The birdshot stands less chance of over-penetrating inside the house, but the #4 buckshot strikes me as about right for stopping power if the first few shots don't do the trick. Also, my wife handles a 20-ga more easily than 12-ga, so it's a more logical choice if she were to use it when I'm not around.

The shotgun stays at the house, but my .38 goes with me everywhere. A bigger handgun would have better stopping power, but would get left at home.

I wouldn't feel comfortable using .223 for home/yard defense with neighbors less than a mile away. Plus, .223 doesn't have so much stopping power that out-classes a shotgun over ranges under 100 yards, IMHO.

Pharmacology
February 14, 2011, 12:07 PM
I doubt you could create a "doughnut" shaped pattern in a smooth bore. I believe it would take centripetal force to be introduced to the shot which requires spin.

I would prefer a tight clustered pattern for my buckshot. I merely related the facts. I did not offer that it was optimal.

That's why I specified "slug" barrel in my post. A slug barrel is a shotgun barrel which has rifling which imparts spin, I think.

booker_t
February 14, 2011, 01:19 PM
If you don't want a shotgun, and want something a bit more "classic" you might check out a Marlin 1895 45-70. Fast, light, powerful. 6+1 capacity with the full-length tube.

I think they're a real pretty gun, the natural wood and blued barrels are a bit nicer but I don't know if they come with full-length tubes, they might be limited to 4+1, and not sure if they come ready for a scope. This one has the rail which is convenient if you only have the cash for one optical sight/scope.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/images/bigbore/zoom_1895sbl.jpg

If 300gr running at 1955fps (2544ft/lb) at 50yd isn't enough, not sure what is. That'll put a serious hertin' on any critter from fox to grizzly to NFL defensive lineman. There's a slower 405gr option. About $1.35/round from DoubleTap.

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/images/45-70%20300%20JHP.JPG

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_44&products_id=212&osCsid=ksmq49uail89no8u8kh85pkg76

DixieboyFL
February 19, 2011, 12:02 PM
12 GA Shotgun all the way loaded with maximum 00 Buck you can load with a Quality minimum 38 Spl Revolver or minimum .40 Pistol.

The More shots the better cause your gonna miss more than you hit under pressure.

Just my two cents worth.......

kaylorinhi
February 19, 2011, 12:17 PM
If you love your 20g buy a short barrel(18-20 inch) with rifle sights or a cantilever mount and be Happy.

If you can afford it, a .357 or similar(.41-.44) combo of lever gun and revolver would do nicely. A 4 inch 6 shot revolver and a 20 inch lever with a 0 magnification red-dot would do it nicely. It also provides commonality in ammo and .38 special as target/plink ammo.

others may have said similar but I am short on time today, Hope this helps!

Mike

hgmike
March 19, 2011, 06:02 PM
i like what the above poster said .38/.357 lever action rifle. Marlin 1984c is good one.

357 Python
March 19, 2011, 10:54 PM
You may also want to consider a pistol caliber carbine such as the Beretta CX4 Storm. You may also look into the Ruger Mini-14 or an AR 15. This seems to be a situation where there are many good possible solutions. My Uncle used to operated a horse stable and there were some loose dogs chasing them in the fields. After calling the local sheriff's office and Game Warden for help he and the owners of the dogs were told that my Uncle had every legal right to shoot the dogs the next time they chased his horses. He chose a single shot 410 shotgun. He never had any problems after that that I'm aware of.