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jhernar-15
January 15, 2011, 11:38 PM
i just got an AR-15 want to do some upgrades to it starting with a quad rail. any suggestions on brands or types?? also looking to put a grip and flashlight on it.:D

10mmAuto
January 15, 2011, 11:41 PM
I would suggest getting a Magpul MOE handguard with one small rail section to attach the light and skip the quad rail. They are cool and all but unless you're a soldier in an active combat zone you probably don't have enough accessories to justify the weight up front. In the hands of your average civilian it is mall ninja crap. Also skip the gangster grip, that's the worst accessory to ever happen to marksmanship. A good, aggressive thumb over bore grip on your handguard near the gas block will serve you a lot better than the situations a vertical grip is supposedly useful in.

DnPRK
January 16, 2011, 12:49 AM
AR-15s are modular and perfect for upgrades with a wide variety of aftermarket parts. The best part is you can perform your own gunsmithing with a few simple tools.

If you are going to drop the cash for a railed handguard, I recommend a free floated one. A free floated AR-15 with good trigger and decent optics will shoot smaller groups than Bubba's Remchestger deer rifle pretty near every time.
Daniel Defense (https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/ar-15-lite-rail.html)
Yankee Hill Machine (http://www.yhm.net/store/forearms.html)
Samson (http://www.samson-mfg.com/ar-15_html/category/SAMSON_Rails.html)
LaRue (http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Categories.bok?category=AR+Handguards)
Midwest Industries (http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=223)
Troy (http://troyind.com/battlerails/mrf-battlerails)

Grips, triggers and optics are also easy to change on an AR-15. How-to instructions can be found using Google search.
Assemble your own AR-15 rifle from parts (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782)

Willie Lowman
January 16, 2011, 01:04 AM
I would suggest 2000 rounds of ammo. Tacking crap onto your AR won't make it a better gun. Lot's of trigger time will make you a better shooter.

I had a full on Mall Ninja AR a few years back. I got rid of it in favor of a SS midlength. No regrets.

MMcfpd
January 16, 2011, 01:05 AM
DnPRK suggested several good names of purveyors of aftermarket parts, many of their products can be acquired a bit cheaper at suppliers such as Bravo Company (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/), PK Firearms (http://www.pkfirearms.com/), SmartGunner (http://www.smartgunner.com/) and AIM Surplus (http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=52&name=Handguards), to name a few.

It would probably be a good idea to shoot a couple of hundred rounds before you make any large expenditures, so you get an idea of what upgrades might best fit your needs.

bedlamite
January 16, 2011, 01:08 AM
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DnPRK
January 16, 2011, 01:12 AM
I would suggest 2000 rounds of ammo. Tacking crap onto your AR won't make it a better gun. Lot's of trigger time will make you a better shooter.

I had a full on Mall Ninja AR a few years back. I got rid of it in favor of a SS midlength. No regrets.
A simple question get this kind of response?

It's kind of arrogant to accuse the OP of being a mall ninja who doesn't know how to shoot, isn't it?

Blackops_2
January 16, 2011, 01:21 AM
All that i'm putting on my AR is my AFG that i already have, an Aimpoint Micro T-1, and last a Surefire Flashlight. The rest of my money for that AR will go into a silencer, mags, ammo, and a carrier.

10mmAuto
January 16, 2011, 01:40 AM
It's kind of arrogant to accuse the OP of being a mall ninja who doesn't know how to shoot, isn't it?
Gangster grips are for mall ninjas and private snuffies who are too dumb to realize its crap.

DnPRK
January 16, 2011, 01:57 AM
Gangster grips are for mall ninjas and private snuffies who are too dumb to realize its crap.
The uber elite have spoken! Shall I bow in the magnificent presence of your exalted highness?














Nah! This is America and AR-15 owners get to modify their personal property as they wish. But thanks for playing.

10mmAuto
January 16, 2011, 02:05 AM
Nah! This is America and AR-15 owners get to modify their personal property as they wish. But thanks for playing.
Yes, they are, but it doesn't make it any less of a crap weapon attachment which is why you see serious users utilizing handstops or a thumb over bore with no handstop. Employing sarcasm in its lowest form doesn't make me any less correct. "Thanks for playing".

Added - I'm not telling this guy he can't put a gangster grip on his gun, just informing him that they detract from your ability to utilize the weapon effectively when you're using it as a grip. You'll find you're a lot better received when you don't make assumptions about someone else's intent and come at them with a pile of poorly employed sarcasm.

WeedWacker
January 16, 2011, 03:01 AM
Yes a Quad rail adds weight. Yes you can attach everything and the kitchen sink to it. But I would rather have my YHM free float rifle length quad over a specter gas block with rail panels on it than the plastic wifflebat clamshells that are passed off as handguards. The shape is more ergonomic to me and offhand shooting with my Magpul AFG is fantastic. I barely notice the weight now anymore. The length also adds to the decrease in whatever little muzzle rise there already is making fast follow ups on coyotes. My Carbine length MOE, on the other hand, is not as ergonomic for me. I need a VFG to feel as stable as I do on the other rifle. Same with my WASR and my Tantal. I can't stand the ergo's of holding the handguards. It's mostly the ginourmous curvature of the 7.62 mag just getting in the way, but I'm more comfortable with my arm out front on the rifle like the "Magpul" style shooting. And that is why I like the AR with rails, because I can make it fit me, not make me fit to it.

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Sixer
January 16, 2011, 06:26 AM
I have a free floated quad rail (YHM) on my AR. It gets the job done.

Anyone who wants to call a rail, grip, flashlight, etc. excessive needs to turn in their EBR's and stick with a bolt action. Don't come in here and whine about what a "civilian" doesn't need on their high capacity, semi-auto, military style rifle.

10mmAuto
January 16, 2011, 07:14 AM
Don't come in here and whine about what a "civilian" doesn't need on their high capacity, semi-auto, military style rifle
If you actually read the post you'd note that the point was vertical grips when actually used as a grip detract from marksmanship and that for a civilian there isn't a whole lot of practical stuff to be putting up there but a flashlight. Unless you've got a PEQ, an aiming module for your 320 and a surefire light you're wasting money and weight on a four sided rail unless you just want it for the free float - in which case there are other options out there. If you have those things and you are a civilian, great, but 99.9% of AR owners do not.

chasesparks
January 16, 2011, 07:31 AM
i do not have an AR, i have a saiga Ak, and have had a norinco sks and a sig 552. and as for my experience or lack there of.. my only 3 suggestions are:
1. stick with metal, never plastic or polymer ( even when it says hard polymer, unless of course its mags)
2. Save up if neccessary and spend the extra money to get the good stuff, for it will be worth it in the end. saving for a few weeks or even months can give you a lifetime product compaired to a piece of junk.
3. dont over do it. you get excited and get a lot of cool things.. (lasers, scopes, lights, vertical grips, adjustable stocks), and your gun gets overly heavy fast... choose wisely.

madcratebuilder
January 16, 2011, 08:48 AM
If the OP wants to put a grip and flashlight on his AR more power to him. It is a free country after all:cool:

There's an evolution to AR ownership. Buy the rifle, add all the accessories, slowly remove most of the accessories.

To the OP, decide if you want a floated or non floated hand guard. If you are into precision target shooting then go floated, otherwise a two piece YHM rail well get the job done at an affordable price.

Art Eatman
January 16, 2011, 11:15 AM
More than enough snark for one Sunday. Emulate the Lord; give it a rest.