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KLRANGL
January 12, 2011, 02:46 PM
How many people here feel like footwear should be another personal item that needs to be curtailed to fit the requirements for concealed carry?

We typically (should) wear belts proper for carry and use proper cover garments for the same. Some people even go as far as using 5.11 pants or the like, but the point I am trying to make is that to some degree clothing must be tied to the objective of properly carrying and possibly utilizing a concealed weapon. I think we can all agree to this...

Now I absolutely hate shoes. Only wear them when it is a must, but 90% of the time I wear flip flop sandals when out and about. And yes, that does include winter time. Knowing this, I shoot at the static range with them on, but it is certainly a lot harder to convince a training instructor that you should wear them when in a training class. Especially when that class involves movement. I never had a problem doing physical things in sandals, but the possibility that they can trip you up is certainly there. On the other hand, they can also be dumped at a moments notice...
I have started wearing those Vibram five finger shoes lately, and I have to say they are awesome. People sometimes stare, but whatever, they feel a million times better than any shoe and they are perfectly secure.

So what do you all think? Are "proper" footwear that important for the average joe citizen who concealed carries? If so, what is considered proper and why?

smince
January 12, 2011, 02:56 PM
I know this thread will get locked, but I can't resist:

No, I don't wear flip flops except on the beach. I prefer some support and protection on my feet.

If I were to end up on the ground fighting with someone over my gun, I would rather be able to kick them with a pair of hikers over a pair of flip flops. If I have to move off the line of fire as I shoot, good solid traction is pretty important.

I can think of a couple hundred scenarios beside everyday life where actual shoes are much better.

R1145
January 12, 2011, 03:05 PM
The awareness mindset goes beyond weaponry and strictly self-defense situations. I would not want to be in any number of situations, not necessarily even emergencies, without sensible shoes.

Check out the footwear available at sporting goods stores that's a slip-on synthetic rubber-soled shoe for water use (not the SCUBA booties, the ones with a mesh upper). They can get kinda stinky, but they're comfortable and a much better option.

Wildalaska
January 12, 2011, 03:13 PM
The day I start worrying about the tactical implications of my everyday footwera is the day I give everything away and go live in Taktsang Dzong:D

WildooooooooooomAlaska ™©2002-2011

KLRANGL
January 12, 2011, 03:20 PM
The day I start worrying about the tactical implications of my everyday footwera is the day I give everything away and go live in Taktsang Dzong

My thoughts exactly... I wear what I wear because it fits my lifestyle better. :cool:
But its nice to know what others think.

I prefer some support and protection on my feet.
Both given to you naturally btw... You only lose it because you never use it ;)

This whole thread wasn't supposed to be a joke btw. I think its certainly a topic on carry that I haven't see on TFL before. Hopefully we can look at the question rationally and not pass it off as nonsense.
And its not about whether flip flops are good or not. But more along the lines of do you consider concealed carry when choosing footwear, and if so to what extent?

ZCORR Jay
January 12, 2011, 03:42 PM
A person who is wearing flip flops took the chance that they wont be running for their life that day.

Brian Pfleuger
January 12, 2011, 03:59 PM
And its not about whether flip flops are good or not. But more along the lines of do you consider concealed carry when choosing footwear, and if so to what extent?

Never thought about it, but I wear high-sided hiking type boots or restaurant type work shoes.... never anything else for day to day life.


In the case of someone who wears flip-flops, I suppose that so long as you are aware of when they need to get lost, so you don't trip and/or can maneuver and your feet are used to functioning with minimal or nonexistent support, I doubt it matters a whit.

curt.45
January 12, 2011, 04:04 PM
running is not an option, last time I ran was 2003 when mom called and said "your father isn't responding".

WW2
January 12, 2011, 04:05 PM
Check out the descriptions of the Roman footwear on this site:

http://www.lore-and-saga.co.uk/html/roman_soldiers_equipment.html

about half way down the page. These sandals protect the feet and the hob-nails driven through the sole provide traction and are pointed rearward to prevent the soldier from being pushed back during battle. Also note that these are ankle height rather than the over the calf lacing that most people think of as being Roman sandals.

This type of footwear can give you the comfort and openness of flip-flops while providing the security needed in a "battle" situation. Also, you would not need to shed them in an emergency as you do with flip-flops.

I would think this a good compromise between flip-flops and combat boots.

WeedWacker
January 12, 2011, 04:26 PM
Flip flops? What is the world coming to? Next I suppose you'll be wanting to wear a kilt! :eek: Anyway, I wear Keen sandals with covered toes during the summer. The toe cover actually provides better protection than a standard running shoe or leather boot.

Mike38
January 12, 2011, 04:37 PM
A person who is wearing flip flops took the chance that they wont be running for their life that day.


I agree. That Bruce Willis movie Die Hard comes to mind. Remember the scene where he had to walk bare foot over broken glass? :eek:

derekb
January 12, 2011, 04:52 PM
Pretty much every day I wear an ankle-height steel or composite toed boot, of the style that's ANSI rated for slip/electrical/etc protection.

I've been wearing shoes of this style almost exclusively for four or five years. I find them comfortable enough to wear every day, without having to worry about my feet when I'm in the shop (My work puts me in wood/metalworking situations with regularity, as well as loading or unloading trucks) or other potentially dangerous situations.

The only other pair of shoes I own at the moment is a pair of dress shoes.

Wildalaska
January 12, 2011, 05:28 PM
I agree. That Bruce Willis movie Die Hard comes to mind. Remember the scene where he had to walk bare foot over broken glass?

The statistical probability of having to walk through broken glass while fighting off terrorists in an Office Building are so small so as to defy description.:p

Too much TV and movies fellas, lets get real....Now me? I dont care how much it effects my tacticality, in the summertime, Im wearing my Jerusalem Cruisers or my Tevas:D

WildusuallywithpinkargylesocksorfishnetkneehighsforthefullestpossibleeffectAlaska ™©2002-2010

markj
January 12, 2011, 05:28 PM
I only wear black flip flops, they is more "tacticool" than the pink ones I used to wear.

Steel toed flip flops would be keen.

In the winter I choose my lead filled number 9 snow shoe and never eat thet yella snow.... when you go where the eskimos go...

kozak6
January 12, 2011, 07:05 PM
It's probably not a good idea to wear flip-flops while shooting if only to protect your feet from hot brass.

bigghoss
January 12, 2011, 07:11 PM
I don't even own flip flops or sandles. I don't like them for many reasons not the least of which is being ready for anything. not just confrontations but things like moving a fridge or something.

I like LE "duty" type boots and I have to buy them for work anyway so I just wear those most of the time. they worked well for me during my last job too and the side zip feature is really nice.

Glenn Dee
January 12, 2011, 07:57 PM
Wear your flip-flops dude... wear the gun....you dont have to let the gun wear you.

Wildalaska
January 12, 2011, 07:58 PM
I don't like them for many reasons not the least of which is being ready for anything. not just confrontations but things like moving a fridge or something.

I dont move fridges :) I hire folks to do it:p

Seriously guys, dont you all think this is going a bit to far?...I mean I can understand wearing Glocks on a rope in the shower, open carrying for pizza delivery guys and duct taping your CCW to your butt when SWMBO deigns to let you perform your husbandly duties, but choosing footwear for tactical reasons? Whats next, Kelvar underwear:confused:

:p

WildandifibuyasetofcaligulaetheywillhaveheelslikeparisorposhwearsAlaska ™©2002-2011

KLRANGL
January 12, 2011, 08:04 PM
It's probably not a good idea to wear flip-flops while shooting if only to protect your feet from hot brass.
From personal experience, its an annoyance at worst...

I feel like anything I can do with shoes on, I can do barefoot better. But that is off topic...

Wear your flip-flops dude... wear the gun....you dont have to let the gun wear you.
Haha I like that...

Seriously guys, dont you all think this is going a bit to far?...I mean I can understand wearing Glocks on a rope in the shower, open carrying for pizza delivery guys and duct taping your CCW to your butt when SWMBO deigns to let you perform your husbandly duties, but choosing footwear for tactical reasons? Whats next, Kelvar underwear
I don't think anyone is choosing footwear for tactical reasons... Or am I mistaken? I was merely curious if footwear played a role in peoples concealed carry lifestyle like belts, shirts, etc do.

YARDDOG(1)
January 12, 2011, 08:24 PM
"[I feel like anything I can do with shoes on, I can do barefoot better]"

I love flip flops & bear feet & train like itmost of the time, That I don't have to ride in veical too far To each his own ; )
Y/D

curt.45
January 12, 2011, 08:27 PM
WildusuallywithpinkargylesocksorfishnetkneehighsforthefullestpossibleeffectAlaska ™©2002-2010




:eek:

MLeake
January 12, 2011, 08:40 PM
From experience, hot brass zeroes in between the straps. No big deal, but do maintain muzzle control while hopping.

Not a huge fan of flip-flops due to arch support and back pain issues. Plus, I hate the flloppiness. I wear some Oakley beach sandals that rise around the ankle, when in open shoe mode, since they don't flop so much.

But I don't really worry about it, with regard to every day tactical planning, even if I don't recommend them as range wear.

kaylorinhi
January 12, 2011, 09:24 PM
Love my Slippahs, but I can actually do most things better bare foot so they would come off about the time as I warn BG to rethink his options! Ever seen a man kick-off his slippahs to whoopyoazz??? Winter it is Timberlands, actually laced and tied, or my coyote tan SWAT's but the zipper broke onn my last trip to the deerstand!

Catfishman
January 12, 2011, 10:21 PM
I dont move fridges I hire folks to do it


I'm not surprised

Back on topic

Boots just make you feel more confident. They provide protection for the feet, good traction and make kicking things or people much more effective.

Nnobby45
January 12, 2011, 10:45 PM
Well, I bought my Magnum Technology shoes, made in USA, in a uniform shop. They give better support than regular low cuts, and they're rugged enough for tramping through rough stuff. And yet they look reasonably nice and aren't out of place with casual dress--they don't attract attention.

They're also compfy and they're insulated so they can be worn in winter, while not too hot in summer.

Glad someone started this thread, since mine are becoming worn, and the uniform shop where I bought them doesn't stock them anymore--I need to start looking around.

Those of us who carry guns for protection are aware (most of us) that we can't always precict the places or circumstances we might find ourselves in. :)

No, I don't worry about footwear. But you can count me among those who choose their footwear, to some extent, based on CCW and the circumstances that can arise as a result.:cool:

BlueTrain
January 13, 2011, 07:14 AM
Is this a place to use that common phrase, :it's better to have them and not need them than to need them and not have them?"

But the thread reminds me of some photos in the news a year or two ago (time flies) of some civil disturbance somewhere in South East Asia. Most of the people in the photo, including a lot of the uniformed soldiers were wearing flip-flops, so none of them considered it a handicap. However, there was a photo of an empty street after it had been cleared and there were a couple dozen flip-flops lying on the pavement.

Sandals are almost a world apart from flip-flops. I once experimented with wearing plain velcro'd sandals on a trail in the woods, the Appalachian Trail as a matter of fact. They worked pretty well and one seems to automatically compensate for the differences when walking. The idea was for something to wear when it was wet, though I repeated the experience.

By the way, on the subject of walking in the woods, if you do a lot of long distance walking and it rains, you get wet eventually, although I've had pretty good success with an ordinary poncho. Eventually, everything gets soaked if it isn't wrapped in something waterproof. Something to think about if you carry a handgun but it really only becomes a problem after an extended period. Besides, if you don't wash so often, you become fairly waterproof anyway, only that doesn't apply to blue steel.

As far as running in sandals goes, well, I'm pretty much beyond the age of doing much running even though ten miles on a mountain trail still amounts to an easy morning's tramp.

Don P
January 13, 2011, 12:43 PM
Seriously guys, dont you all think this is going a bit to far?...I mean I can understand wearing Glocks on a rope in the shower, open carrying for pizza delivery guys and duct taping your CCW to your butt when SWMBO deigns to let you perform your husbandly duties, but choosing footwear for tactical reasons? Whats next, Kelvar underwear

Could not agree more Wild, A kevlar Athletic supporter for those times when you're caught napping and an assailant kicks or shoots you in the family jewels and don't forget your socks. Wouldn't want to get blisters on the old footsies:eek:

stokesj19
January 13, 2011, 02:05 PM
If running for your life I think that addrenaline would kick in. Kids run barefoot all the time so if needed kick off the damn flipflops and run bare footed. I wear flip flops to the range all of the time, and haven't notice brass hitting my foot.

old bear
January 13, 2011, 02:44 PM
the point I am trying to make is that to some degree clothing must be tied to the objective of properly carrying and possibly utilizing a concealed weapon. I think we can all agree to this...

Well there always has to be "one"; so today I will be the “one” I reverse this; the weapon I carry must properly fit into my agenda and clothing choices for that day.

As for the importance of proper fitting shoes, please remember that shoes are the only item of clothing that can hurt you if not properly fitted.

markj
January 13, 2011, 03:03 PM
I gotta admit the tacticool undies I now have on make me feel invincible to a degree. Hope I dont get a wedgie, the kevlar might hurt the boys.....

Jeremiah/Az
January 13, 2011, 04:35 PM
I'm in Az. & I don't live in town. There are rocks, rattlesnakes, scorpions & cactus. No clip clops here, boots @ the home place & running shoes when I go to town are best for me.

Sport45
January 13, 2011, 10:27 PM
Quote:
I prefer some support and protection on my feet.

Both given to you naturally btw... You only lose it because you never use it ;)

Lucky you. I have been flat-footed all my life and really appeciate some support in my footwear.

I can relate to what derekb said above. The most comfortable shoes I own are my steel toe work boots. To keep things gun related I'd have to say my feet are most protected from dropped guns when I wear my steel toes. :)

jfruser
January 14, 2011, 11:23 AM
Flip flops make one generally useless for a lot of physical activities, to include self-protection. Kicking them off is not much better, as most folks are not accustomed to bare foot movement.

I only wear them around the house.

As far as a focus on concealed carry, flip flops would inhibit quick movement that one would likely want to make if bad things happened. They also lack if one has toddlers to keep up with, as toddlers don't have any sense and yet are pretty mobile. You're gonna end up chasing them pretty regularly.

As with anything in life, foot gear is a compromise. For my own part, if I am going to the trouble of packing heat, I'll choose some sensible foot gear, as even costly foot gear costs a fraction of a carry rig (belt, holder, mag carrier, weapon).

I have found that the Chaco brand sandals are of high quality and allow for the open-air feel one desires in flip flops or other sandal-like gear. They are up to most outdoor chores and physical activity where foot protection is not desired/required.

BlueTrain
January 14, 2011, 12:45 PM
It just occurred to me that most competitors in IPSC style shooting matches wear something approaching running gear, apparently always with sneaker type shoes and sometimes shorts. I imagine it is an action sport.

pax
January 14, 2011, 01:01 PM
Sandals are very dangerous on the range, not because people can trip (though that's a non-trivial concern) but also because brass is magnetically attracted to cleavage. If it can't find cleavage in a low cut shirt or down the back of someone's plumber crack, it aims for the cleavage between bare toes. Hot brass + sensitive skin + person with gun in hand = danger.

As for the tactical concerns, the original post made me think of this: http://www.seraphicpress.com/archives/2007/06/stalked.php

Sounds to me as if the 5 finger shoes are the best option for you to take to shooting classes, KLRANGL, given your normal choice of footwear.

pax

Wildalaska
January 14, 2011, 02:14 PM
Sounds to me as if the 5 finger shoes are the best option for you to take to shooting classes, KLRANGL, given your normal choice of footwear.

Toes.:D

WildimgettingapairandboywillilookstupidinthemAlaska ™©2002-2010

Hiker 1
January 14, 2011, 03:42 PM
As with anything in life, foot gear is a compromise. For my own part, if I am going to the trouble of packing heat, I'll choose some sensible foot gear, as even costly foot gear costs a fraction of a carry rig (belt, holder, mag carrier, weapon).

+1. Flip flops are comfortable, but if I end up in a defensive situation, I don't want to be tripping over them.

leadbutt
January 15, 2011, 07:59 PM
Could all ways go with these :D

http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/index.htm