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nefprotector
December 12, 2010, 12:15 AM
Im looking to buy another self defense shotgun. And I would like for my next purchase to be a Semi Auto. What do you guys and gals recommend? 12 ga only. Thanks. ps Please post pics if possible. pss Lets keep it under $600.

jmortimer
December 12, 2010, 03:19 AM
Your best option is the Mossberg 930. It appears to be as reliable as a semi-auto shotgun can be and they make a 18.5" five shot model in your price range. The full on 930 with ghost ring sights is just a few $$$ over you price point but I'm happy with the "non-tactical" model.
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=85360&mfg=Mossberg&mdl=930&cat=2&type=Shotgun&cal=12+Gauge&fin=All&sit=All&zipcode=92536
And the one I want is $561.00 MSRP and $490.00 on the street.
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=85325&mfg=Mossberg&mdl=930&cat=2&type=Shotgun&cal=12+Gauge&fin=All&sit=All&zipcode=92536

egor20
December 12, 2010, 04:37 AM
I have a M3 Super 90 as a house gun

http://www.nazarian.no/images/wep/290_ben_m3s90.jpg

I really don't like the pistol grip version traded it in

Loaded with #4 shot, none in the chamber

Got it at a gun show for $588:eek: bought some other stuff so I talked him down from $700

Dave McC
December 12, 2010, 09:14 AM
Cheap approach.....

Pick up a much used Remington 11. Install new springs and friction pieces, cut the barrel to about 20". A new pad and sling studs,some breakin shooting and you've a fine defensive weapon.

Less cheap. Do the same with an 1100.

Or buy a new Saiga.

Whatever you get, learn to run it.....

hardhat harry
December 12, 2010, 10:08 AM
Really liking the FNH SAP. Or, Remington 1100 Tac4

EDIT: SORRY, DIDN'T SEE THE PRICE LIMIT

nefprotector
December 12, 2010, 02:02 PM
Thanks for the info guys. Have any of you had experience with the TRISTAR G2?

oneounceload
December 12, 2010, 02:12 PM
The wally world Beretta sells for your price as well, and will run forever providing you give it at least a modicum of minor maintenance

JNewell
December 12, 2010, 06:49 PM
With a $600 cap, unfortunately you rule out a lot of very, very good choices.

jmr40
December 12, 2010, 07:18 PM
I'd spend $250 on a good used pump for now and save my money until I had enough to get a better semi.

DE Shooter
December 12, 2010, 08:22 PM
I went with a used 1100, cut barrel to 19", Rem Shurshot stock combo, and +5 tube extension...got about $415 in it with glow bead front sight. Cycles every 2 3/4" light thru magnum...shot & slugs. 200+ rounds, no problems yet. I'm limited to 2 3/4 ammo and need to take tube off to clean.

Stevie-Ray
December 13, 2010, 01:44 PM
I went with the Mossberg 930 SPX. No experience with it yet as it's a Christmas present, but I intend to wring it out that week.:p It was $589 at Dick's.

Mossberg 930 SPX (http://www.nrapublications.org/si/Moss930.asp)

jmortimer
December 13, 2010, 03:14 PM
You should be very pleased. Waiting for your review. I want one too.

MrM4
December 13, 2010, 03:48 PM
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/MrM4/IMG_2070.jpg

or will do just fine

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg158/MrM4/tromix4.jpg

seansean1444
December 13, 2010, 05:12 PM
siaga 12 all the way best shotgun ever made for home defence!!!

jmortimer
December 13, 2010, 06:30 PM
"siaga 12 all the way best shotgun ever made for home defence!!! (sic)"
It may be the best for you but for others there are better choices - FN SLP, Benelli M4, Mossberg 930. Many would even favor a good pump action. I'll take a tube over a detachable magazine any day.

seansean1444
December 13, 2010, 06:55 PM
compare reload time of clip and tube. u may need to reload

jmortimer
December 13, 2010, 09:34 PM
The detachable magazine on the Saiga has a problem because the gun does not not have last round bolt hold open. I understand it can be modified to be useful and have last round bolt hold open. With a tube you reload as you go and can chamber specific rounds, slug or buck shot. The Saiga can be made to be reliable in 12 guage. Let's put it this way, you drop your magazine, replace it, and engage the bolt while I load a round in the tube magazine and shoot you. I think there are very many reasons why the Saiga 12 guage is deficient which can all be fixed at significant cost.

tAKticool
December 14, 2010, 06:40 PM
Shotgun for home defense is probably the LEAST LIKELY to ever need to reload... Saiga 12 are awesome for having fun or waging urban war/civil unrest/fomenting change or looting liquor stores..

Home Defense? Not really at all, I'd take my 930 SPX over a Saiga any day, in fact if you gave me the Saiga I'd sell it to buy a 930 SPX (or even a 590A1 if not able to get a 930 SPX)...

Changing magazines while a home invader is marauding? Not really tactically feasible... Much more likely to shoot-one-load one or even just go through your 5-8 rounds in your shotgun, maybe pop a few in from your shell carrier/stock soft shell carrier/bandoleer/pocket etc.. But mag changes are for warfighters in warzones, not HD with a shotgun, IMHO.

Mijo
March 4, 2011, 12:24 PM
I agree with tAKticool. I have my 930 SPX loaded with a full tube (7) of #4 buck, chamber empty. Also have an 8-round side saddle with 3 more #4 buck and 5 00 buck. After a little bit of practice pulling rounds from the side saddle and loading them into the tube, I'm pretty confident that I can do it quickly. That's 15 rounds total I have at the ready. I think that's plenty. After all, I'm not laying down cover fire for a ground invasion...

oneounceload
March 4, 2011, 12:58 PM
compare reload time of clip and tube. u may need to reload

Are you serious? Put the video game away for a while and come back to reality please...:rolleyes:

Jake Balam
March 4, 2011, 01:32 PM
I just go with a good old fashioned pump. With practice you can squeeze off shots nearly as fast as with a semi.

There is a little less recoil, but shooting a slug still hurts just the same.

And at 6'0 235 lbs, recoil never bothered me too much :)

GONIF
March 4, 2011, 01:59 PM
Forget the Saiga 12 for now ,the prices and availability are a problem. I a'm glad I got my 2 when the getting was good ( $300.00) each . mine run as well as my old Benelli m2. I moded both of mine to have the bolt hold open ,and they will run ANY ammo flawlessly . As far as fast reloads, I can reload fast with my 10 round AGP mags . If you need more than 10 rounds for HD ,you got a whole lot of trouble to begin with . That being the case I got 2 MD 20 round drums for $80.00 each 3 months ago (they are now $120.00 each). The Saiga haters can keep hateing ,I absolutely love mine .;)

Huntergirl
March 4, 2011, 03:10 PM
Hey Nef, I have a Rem 11-87 turkey gun that doubles for home defense. I traded for it and am very pleased with it. Prolly could get one used.

WWWJD
March 4, 2011, 03:10 PM
I Would think any pump action would do, regardless of capacity. Just make sure your intruder is within earshot of the sound of a round being chambered. ;) He'll get the message, and you'll save on ammo and bleach.

Hoosier_Daddy
March 4, 2011, 06:10 PM
Wishfull thinking WWWJD. Maybe in some situations the sound of a shotgun racking might cause a retreat, it doesn't in all. If someone is determined enough or drugged enough, the racking may just make them more determined.
A pump will work for the first shot, I think a semi automatic will allow you to follow-up faster.
That being said, I have a pump for home defense and feel perfectly fine with a pump in the home.

WWWJD
March 4, 2011, 06:48 PM
I would tend to agree; I can't imagine any need for a rapid follow up (more rapid than one could pull off with a pump). One target is on it's way to the floor, and a possible second is going to be involuntarily evacuating their bowels. Ehh... I've been debating a semi-auto 20 gauge. Less external moving parts.. easier and lighter recoil for my better half. To each his own.. there wouldn't be so many makes and models if nobody had their own preferences and budgetary concerns. :) Plus they're all fun!!

macsters
March 4, 2011, 09:54 PM
i would tend to agree with takticool. last time i raided a liquor store, the saiga 12 was great. but when the mob that owned the store came to my house at night.....wait....it was still great. because i had a ten round mag and never had to reload.

if you were in a situation where you needed to change the kind of round you were using, a tube would be great. that isnt the case with HD. you will most likely fire one, maybe two shots, and never have to reload, no matter what you are shooting (8 round tube or 20 round drum).

that said, the saiga is probably equal to any tube loader in HD.

but there are two other things to consider: number one, the saiga is epic cool if you like the ak platform....or even if you dont. it gets style points your benelli, or your remington, or whatever, would not. and the range would be more fun with 20 round drum mags :D. number two, if you ever do have to defend your house, and you get charged with murder (happens unfortunately more often than you would think) the jury will be more forgiving if what they see has a wood stock and doesnt look as gnarly and beastly and war-y as the saiga.

shortwave
March 8, 2011, 11:01 PM
HD shotgun? Same as my deer,rabbit,squirrel,pheasant,turkey hunting shotgun.

Rem 1100.

After 30 yrs. shooting it, I know it best.

rottieman33
March 8, 2011, 11:40 PM
siaga 12 all the way best shotgun ever made for home defence!!!
I second that

thinktwice
March 9, 2011, 02:36 AM
Mossberg 930. I have the plain "Tactical" model not the SPX. 18.5 barrel. Very soft shooting auto loader, and shoots any type shells you feed it without a hitch.

Powderman
March 9, 2011, 07:08 AM
I had the opportunity to shoot one of the new Mossberg 930's yesterday. I was impressed! The gun handles well, cycles easily and is VERY accurate, to boot!

Just for the heck of it, the owner let me shoot some 1 1/4 oz 3" magnum slugs through it. Recoil was there, but it was VERY manageable!

I like the gun a lot, and I do highly recommend it!

By the way...anyone got magazine tube retainer screws for a Model 11?

Stevie-Ray
March 9, 2011, 07:07 PM
Forget the Saiga 12 for now ,the prices and availability are a problem. I a'm glad I got my 2 when the getting was good ( $300.00) each .Seems kinda hoggish to have 2 of em. I think you should sell me one for what you paid.:D

rigby06
March 9, 2011, 08:12 PM
I have two shotgun, but they are more of the tactical type a Benelli M1 8 shot semi-auto; and a Hawk 932 pump. The hawk is built like a tank and was cheap, new $210; and the Benelli M1 from what I can say about it is simply perfect. :D