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70extreme
December 5, 2010, 06:36 PM
I started twenty years ago shooting an 870 pump for hunting and home defense. Then, I decided I just had to have a semiauto Benelli M1S90 for hunting. Within the last couple years, I picked up an FNSLP Mark I for home defense.

Lately, I have been feeling the tug to get back to a more simple platform. I am half tempted just to sell the Benellis and FNs and go back to 870s.

Anyone go back to a pump gun and where you happy with the choice?

oneounceload
December 5, 2010, 06:51 PM
From a purely simplistic state, a double gun with double triggers is the ticket. My pump sits in a closet, as a back up for my handgun. For hunting and targets, I'll take my O/U's and SxS's every time

seansean1444
December 5, 2010, 06:56 PM
my auto 12 guage jams some times. i always find my self happy with the single shot break actions. goes boom every time

the rifleer
December 5, 2010, 07:02 PM
THe only shotgun own is a mossberg 500 pump. Would I like a nice benelli semi auto? absolutely, but I dont need it (nor can i afford it at the moment). They are nice, but do not make you any better of a shooter in my opinion.

hogdogs
December 5, 2010, 07:07 PM
In the household, we have my 500 Mossberg 20 gauge and an H&R 20 gauge.

If I had the cash, I would own a Mossberg auto loader.
Brent

seansean1444
December 5, 2010, 07:11 PM
i also have a H&R 20 guage. mine is the pardner single shot and if your a good enough shot then its all you need. but back to pumps not singles ha

silvercorvette
December 5, 2010, 08:24 PM
I have a few shotguns one is an 870 an unless I am real desperate for cash I won't sell any of them, in fact I just added one that should arrive at my FFL Tue or Wed. When I was younger I went through a divorce and had to sell some guns; that was decades ago and I still regret selling them (especially the Browning HI-Power)

Mossberg bolt action 12 gauge that belonged to my father
Mossberg bolt action 20 gauge that was my first shotgun but is too dangerous to use
S&W 12 gauge semi
TNN 12 gauge old style coach gun replica
Rem 12 870
Browning Twelvette Double Auto That I just bought because I always wanted one since I was a kid in the 1960s but couldn't afford back then.

Everyone needs more than one shotgun.

.300 Weatherby Mag
December 5, 2010, 08:31 PM
I don't only use pumps, but I do shoot them a lot...

Hog Buster
December 5, 2010, 10:04 PM
Been hunting with Ithaca 37’s for over 60 years. Shot and owned a bunch of others, but never found any better.

Miata Mike
December 5, 2010, 10:19 PM
No. Have and use single shot, over under, and semi autos also. My main go to deer hunting shot guns are pumps.

Bamashooter
December 5, 2010, 10:50 PM
yes, pump shotguns is all i have ever used. i grew up shooting a pump. truth be told i can shoot it better than some folks can shoot a semi auto. i do have a couple of single shots but they dont get used very much.

DKA
December 5, 2010, 11:02 PM
Have pumps and some semi-automatics, and both have their places. Enjoy shooting my 870's, they go bang every time.

shogan191
December 5, 2010, 11:25 PM
I''m a beginner at trap, skeet, and sporting clays. Not into home defense other than what I've always used. Anyway long story short I was at the skeet field today and watched a kid run double all the way through station 5 without a miss using a pump gun. He was shooting double only. Missed high 5 ran the rest without a miss. Went back and tried station 5 a few more times.

Found it interesting that he was that proficient with a pump.

oneounceload
December 6, 2010, 09:50 AM
I''m a beginner at trap, skeet, and sporting clays. Not into home defense other than what I've always used. Anyway long story short I was at the skeet field today and watched a kid run double all the way through station 5 without a miss using a pump gun. He was shooting double only. Missed high 5 ran the rest without a miss. Went back and tried station 5 a few more times.

Found it interesting that he was that proficient with a pump.

There ARE exceptions to every rule, and there are always one or two who can work a pump like a wand on lay targets; however those folks are few and far between, as many have trouble keeping the gun on the flight line while working the pump - hence the fondness for semi's and O/U on the skeet and sporting clay fields

Ludarue
December 6, 2010, 10:23 AM
I grew up using only pumps, but not too long ago I bought my first 1100. I like the shotgun and has never failed me in the field, but has had one issue of the bolt getting stuck trying to unload it.

I find it funny how over the years I went from an old Savage 37 12 ga. my dad gave me when I was younger to more advanced and "reputable" shotguns. But in the end I honestly can say I prefer that old 37.

zippy13
December 6, 2010, 11:43 AM
Anyone use only just pump shotguns?
I'm just the opposite. After I sold my first shotgun, a Sears (High Standard) pump 40+ years ago, I've never looked back. Now I have SS break open, Semi-Auto, O/U, and O/-O/U models, but no pumps.

I''m a beginner at trap, skeet, and sporting clays. Not into home defense other than what I've always used. Anyway long story short I was at the skeet field today and watched a kid run double all the way through station 5 without a miss using a pump gun. He was shooting double only. Missed high 5 ran the rest without a miss. Went back and tried station 5 a few more times.

To a new shooter, watching Skeet Doubles can be impressive. Station 5 is the un-doing of many in Doubles, since it's the first pair where you take the low (right side) target first.

Yes, some shooters become quite proficient with pump action guns; but, on the target fields you'll find they are usually even more proficient with an auto or O/U. You'll seldom see a pump action gun used in serious competition where a quick second shot is required.

Found it interesting that he was that proficient with a pump.
Perhaps a pump is the only gun he has.

Poodleshooter
December 6, 2010, 12:35 PM
My only shotgun is a Mossberg 500. I have three barrels for it (18" home defense, 24" rifled with sights, and a 28" barrel with screw chokes).
It's light, swings well with the 28" barrel,and I shoot it well. Every time I've shot a borrowed O/U or a semi-auto, I've either had trouble swinging it on targets, or found it to be heavier than it needed to be (11-87!) or oddly balanced for my taste. I use the Mossberg for everything: doves, geese and ducks, squirrels,grouse, deer,turkeys,etc. I occasionally shoot trap and SC with it. I even reload for it. I'll likely never own another shotgun,as this one does everything I need a shotgun to do.

Bones
December 6, 2010, 12:36 PM
Don' mess with the man, who only owns, one gun....Because, he will most likely, knows how to use it:D

jokester_143
December 6, 2010, 01:15 PM
hogdogs,

I looked into that hot sauce challenge... Good luck with that. That 20 minute long video from RiceKiller was pretty entertaining...

BarkeyVA
December 6, 2010, 10:07 PM
I learned to wing shoot over 50 years ago with my dad's 20 ga. Ithaca model 37. I soon graduated to a marlin model 90 O/U with double triggers that I still have and still shoot very well. A 16 ga. Model 90DT is my favorite upland bird gun.

I do have a model 37 and an 870 that I use mostly for watewrfowl. The 870 cost $259 new and I won't feel so bad if I accidently drop it in the lake.

As for semi-autos, in the 1950's I saw Herb Parsons shoot 7 hand thrown clay targets before they hit the ground with his winchester model 12. A guy asked him why he didn't use a semi-auto. Herb replied, " Because I would have to wait for the semi-auto to cycle!"

motorhead0922
December 6, 2010, 11:05 PM
I am half tempted just to sell the Benellis and FNs and go back to 870s.

Dude! Don't ever get rid of a gun. You will always regret it.

That doesn't mean you don't buy more...

jmortimer
December 6, 2010, 11:23 PM
I have always wanted an FN SLP which to me is the ne plus ultra of home defense. If you do go the 870 route check this Company out http://aiptactical.com/ I would get a "Police" grade but would not spend the $$$ for a Scattergun Technology 870.

hogdogs
December 6, 2010, 11:35 PM
Yeah that challenge is wednesday... me and my 19 year old daughter are goin' head to head now...

Brent

NightSleeper
December 7, 2010, 10:19 AM
I use pump guns for HD, semi-auto for hunting. These reason is, up here in Wisconsin, it's so dang cold during the season that I usually wear mittens. And I can't work a pump if my life depended upon it while wearing mittens.

fnslpmark112
December 7, 2010, 06:18 PM
I have had an FNSLP for 6 months now. I have only shot it a few hundred rounds. But, it has been 100% reliable with everything I have fed it - buckshot to cheap birdshot. I hunt duck, quail, dove, and chukar with my M1S90. I can count on one hand the number of times it has malfunctioned over thousands of rounds.

All the self defense guys swear by the Remington 870 pump as the ultimate home defense gun. Just last weekend, I had a chance to duck hunt with a guy using an 870. He let me shoot it. Here are my observations:

1. The 870 kicks like a mule.
2. It is not even remotely as fast as my FN (or my Benelli M1S90 for that matter).
3. I heard him short shuck the gun twice during the hunt (click instead of a boom) during the cold, wet, sleep deprived frenzy that is duck hunting.

I guess I just don't get it. I don't see one single advantage of the 870 over a quality semiauto in the self defense world, hunting world, or 3 gun world.

riggins_83
December 8, 2010, 12:50 AM
I've never purchase a semi auto, over under, side by side or break action shotgun. I will probably purchase a Mossberg 930 at some point. For the time being my trusty 500 Persuader and 500 Bird and Field pump shotguns serve me fine.

Dave McC
December 8, 2010, 10:16 AM
I received my first 870 in 1959 for Christmas, a used one Pop had bought some time prior. Barrel code(WW) works out to November, 1950. Haven't worn it out yet, just slicked it up some with maybe 20K shells.

There's four more 870s here at the moment. My total rounds count from 870s, both mine and agency weapons, has to be over 50K rounds and may be twice that.

I've had one short stroke, two firing pin springs break, and a few truckloads of game in the freezer.

Short stroking is a software problem.

As for speed, I found out long ago that I could get off an effective second shot faster with my 870 than a good friend could with his A5.

A few thoughts on pumpguns.......

First, an 870, they tell me, will develop some stress cracks around the 250K mark. Most semis will not come close to that, even with some major parts replacement. Some other makes of pumpguns also get prizes for longevity. A friend's venerable Model 12 has 230K rounds through it and he got it used. Some parts and smithing have been needed, but still......

No current auto I know of will cycle everything from 3/4 oz training loads to 2 oz turkey whackers. Some work best with heavy loads, like the excellent SBE II, but not so well with creampuffs.

Good autos start around $600 new for the 3901, though one can find well used 1100s for maybe $400 or so. Less than $300 will get you a new Express or a used Wingmaster and leave you lots of money for ammo.

As for defense, while the 3 gun types have gone to Saigas and Benellis, the folks who go in harm's way are usually armed with pumps. Reliability, durability, simple MOA for things like slug selection, wider ammo spectrum, ad infinitum.

No shotgun is capable of doing all things equally well, but pumps have versatility up the wazoo. One parts built 870 here has taken most species of legal game here, has surprised a few folks on the clays courses, groups slugs into 2.5" at 50 yards, and now stands loaded with buck in case something bad may happen. It's known as Frankenstein, has introduced maybe 20 people to shotgunning, looks like a junkyard mutt and works very,very well.

70extreme
December 8, 2010, 11:22 AM
Since this has become a pump vs. semi auto thread. The key issue concerning choosing a pump vs. a semiauto for home defense is which problem is more likely to occur:

The semi auto malfunctioning or a trained user under stress short stroking the pump?

jmortimer
December 8, 2010, 11:32 AM
The Winchester SX3 or Browning Maxus will outlast an 870 - don't know about other semi-autos but Patrick Flanigan the fastest shooter with the fastest shotgun (SX3) will get 300,000 rounds plus out of his guns and he at times will clean them every 2,000 to 3,000 rounds or so. There is no chance anyone who practices will not shoot much faster with a semi-auto. Just compare Flanigan's records with his SX3 and his SXP (1300) - well there is no comparison. His web site has all the info http://www.patrickflanigan.com/
The FN SLP is essentially a tactical SX2 and will last a long, long time.

P.S. I just noticed that his new record of breaking 7 clays with a pump action thrown from the hip was done with a Mossberg 500 and now that he is sponsored by Mossberg he will be using the 500 and the 930. I believe the 930 is one of, if not the most under appreciated firearm in current production. It will be interesting to see if he can break his current records for semi-autos with his 930. Many assumed that the 1300 was the fastest pump action but now it can be said that the fastest pump action is the 500.

Donaldjr1969
December 8, 2010, 04:49 PM
I am one of those that only use pump shotguns because that's all I own...

P.S. I just noticed that his new record of breaking 7 clays with a pump action thrown from the hip was done with a Mossberg 500 and now thqat he is sponsered by Mossberg he will be using the 500 and the 930. I believe the 930 is one of, if not the most under appreciated firearm in current production. It will be interesting to see if he can break his current records for semi-autos with his 930. Many assumed that the 1300 was the fastest pump action but now it can be said that the fastest pump action is the 500.
Darn, now I have to get rid of my 1300 for a Mossberg... :D But when I used to shoot clay targets with my 1300 and a Hoppe's Clayking thrower, I did eventually become good enough to break doubles with the 1300. Now that I am going to a bona fide trap range, I probably could become proficient enough to shoot doubles trap in time with the same 1300 I used 23 years ago.