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mordis
December 3, 2010, 10:43 PM
Hi, i was perusing the opencarry.org site and cameacross a post that contains some interesting information regarding the BATFE. They have moved pistol grip only shotguns from shotguns to Any other Weapon. Thus requiring you to register it and purchase a NFA tax stamp. You can find this information if you search hard enough at the batfe website, or got opencarry.org and you can find the post there.

Damn i wanted a mossberg cruiser just for Pooops and grins. Looks like im going to have to just pretend. I am not going through the hassle of getting a nfa tax stamp for it.

Secondly the post also reveals that if you have a registered SBR AR15, and have other non sbr ar15 that you must register all of them as well as nfa tax. The article sited says it is becuase the ar15's barrel is so easily changed that you must register all recievers.

Im running short of time, ill try to get some citing done, but most of this can be found at opencarry.org.

zip22
December 4, 2010, 12:37 AM
Is this thread on the same topic?
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430024

Bill DeShivs
December 4, 2010, 02:00 AM
Strange, there is nothing on the NRA site about it.......

Bill DeShivs
December 4, 2010, 02:07 AM
And, Mossberg still lists them on their web site........

m24shooter
December 4, 2010, 12:41 PM
That is not what the ruling said at all.
The ruling simply states that pistol grip only shotguns are now in effect considered for 4473 as pistols since they do not meet the definition of a shotgun and cannot be purchased by someone under 21. That is it. They are still perfectly legal otherwise and do NOT require the NFA stamp.
ETA: To be clear, this arose from PGO shotguns that did not fit prior definitions. Because law states that those 18-21 may purchase shotguns and rifles and the PGO shotgun did not meet the definition of shotgun in that it was not intended to be fired from the shoulder, a new classification or clarification was needed (for whatever reason). Thus, just like AR receivers that could be built into either pistols or rifles, the PGO shotgun was reclassified so that those under 21 could not purchase them.

Bill DeShivs
December 4, 2010, 02:42 PM
... my point, exactly.

m24shooter
December 4, 2010, 02:55 PM
Yup. If this had happened then overnight WalMart, Big 5, Dicks, and any number of other very large retailers would all be in violation of Federal law not to mention the individuals with such.
Somebody is reading way too much into this.

dogtown tom
December 4, 2010, 08:15 PM
mordis... They have moved pistol grip only shotguns from shotguns to Any other Weapon.
Nope. The ATF definition of "shotgun" hasn't changed since at least 1968.
The only change was two years ago when ATF revised the Form 4473 to include "Other Firearm" as the type of firearm being transferred. It never affected what the firearm was, only how it could be transferred. Only rifles and shotguns can be purchased by someone eighteen or older, for handguns and "other firearms" the purchaser must be twenty one.

Thus requiring you to register it and purchase a NFA tax stamp. Horsehockey. A PGO shotgun is clearly not an NFA firearm and never has been.

You can find this information if you search hard enough at the batfe website, or got opencarry.org and you can find the post there.
You can search until I become King and you still won't find it. It ain't there.

Damn i wanted a mossberg cruiser just for Pooops and grins. Looks like im going to have to just pretend. I am not going through the hassle of getting a nfa tax stamp for it.
Then buy one. There is no tax stamp required.

Secondly the post also reveals that if you have a registered SBR AR15, and have other non sbr ar15 that you must register all of them as well as nfa tax. The article sited says it is becuase the ar15's barrel is so easily changed that you must register all recievers.
I don't know where you are getting this information but it is factually horsepoop.


Im running short of time, ill try to get some citing done, but most of this can be found at opencarry.org.
If you have time to post, you have time to copy and paste a thread.

mordis
December 6, 2010, 09:43 PM
Here is the link to the Thread on opencarry.org regarding the article. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?83824-Stupid-gun-laws-catch-owners-unaware

Here is the article that the thread is specificly talking about. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=234789

Obviously i think that dogtown and others is right and that they dont require a tax stamp. My only inkling on this issue is that it is kinda muddy. I could see the gov using the muddiness of this ruling against someone if it suits there agenda.

I surely hope that there legal, sure there hard to aim and what not but i like there handiness and compactness. Seems to me they would be good SHTF guns,but that is for another topic.