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BFaubion
October 31, 2010, 04:47 PM
Hey guys. I have been considering building an AR-15 recently, and I just wanted some input on if the parts i have picked out will work and what all tools i will need to assemble this gun. I have registered over at AR15.com and am just waiting for verification from the site to post there as well. So without further adeau here are my hypothesized parts:

BCM Standard 16" M4 Carbine Upper Receiver Group (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BCM-URG-M4-16&CartID=1) or if I decide to be crazy BCM 16" M4 Upper Receiver Group with Daniel Defense LITE 10 (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-M4-Upper-Receiver-Daniel-Defense-p/bcm-urg-m4-16%20ddl10.htm)
-Add BCM BCG (auto) & Standard Charging Handle
Magpul MOE Handguard - Carbine - BLACK (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MAG405+BLK&CartID=3)
ST-15 stripped rifle lower Semi/Safe (http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=170:f8e497762a8aaf76c6db3d1884fd81f4)
MOE Lower build kit (http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/598.php)
Troy Folding Battle Sight - REAR (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Troy+Rear+Sight+-+Rear&CartID=4)
Magpul PMAG (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-PMAG-AR15-Magazine-p/mag210%20black%20window.htm)

This is my first AR to build or even own, so please tell me if I left anything out. Unless I can keep this whole project under $1000 including tools then this is not going to happen. The total for all of the above is $980. What all tools will I need to construct this animal?

pcardinal42
October 31, 2010, 10:44 PM
BCM and Daniel Defense are all top of the line products. Build looks pretty solid. Go over to m4carbine.net lots of great information over there.

thesheepdog
November 1, 2010, 08:26 AM
Looks good. Are you planning on it having an optic?

demigod
November 1, 2010, 08:31 AM
It's refreshing to read about someone using GOOD components for a change!

Quentin2
November 1, 2010, 11:53 AM
...This is my first AR to build or even own, so please tell me if I left anything out. Unless I can keep this whole project under $1000 including tools then this is not going to happen. The total for all of the above is $980. What all tools will I need to construct this animal?

Nice selection of parts, especially for a first build! I would also look at the BCM midlengths too. As far as tools to build the lower, you can get by with common ones already found in most garages. Read through the tutorials at Brownells and various AR sites and even YouTube. The upper is assembled so you should be ok there as well.

BTW, you don't have to buy everything at once if you're busting the budget, just get the stripped lower and lower parts at first. Get that built then go on to the upper. Again, strong subconcious suggestion... midlength, middy, middie... :D

BFaubion
November 1, 2010, 06:13 PM
Okay so I have decided to go big or go home. I am going to order an upper with a Daniel Defense rail installed. Here are my current parts list:

BCM Standard 16" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group w/ Daniel Defense LITE 12" Handguard (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Daniel-Defense-p/bcm-urg-mid-16%20ddl12.htm)
-Add BCM BCG (auto) & Standard Charging Handle
ST-15 stripped rifle lower Semi/Safe (http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=170:f8e497762a8aaf76c6db3d1884fd81f4)
MOE Lower build kit (http://www.palmettostatearmory.com/598.php)
Troy Folding Battle Sight - REAR (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Troy+Rear+Sight+-+Rear&CartID=4)
Troy Folding Battle Sight - Front - M4 Type - Black (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Troy-Folding-Battle-Sight-Front-p/troy%20front%20sight%20rail%20mount%20m4.htm)
Magpul PMAG (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-PMAG-AR15-Magazine-p/mag210%20black%20window.htm)

Total: $1460.39

Glad to hear that I will be able to construct this without the need of extra tools. I did more research and have decided upon Quentin2 recommendation to switch to a mid length. I think the added durability is a definite. Also I will be going no optics for now, straight iron sights for the fun factor till I save up more money for a nice EOTech.I have 3 more questions to ask right now that you all may be able to help me with:

1) Will this rifle be able to hit consistent groups out to 600 meters? (The back or my local range)
2) Will purchasing the stock BCM BCG and standard charging handle be what I want, or should i buy one of BCM's nice BCG's with a special coating and get one of their charging handles?
3)I do not currently own an AR, so will there be any other cleaning tools I need to get right off the bat?

Quentin2
November 1, 2010, 07:05 PM
Oops, did I talk you into busting the budget by $500??? :p

It's so hard to choose especially when you can't try out the various models. The middy will be a little heavier than the M4 profile but there are lots of advantages as you've discovered. And BCM does offer LW middys but if you're considering long range then the heavier barrel may do better. Really it's your call. If there is any way for you to handle various ARs first that would be good.

Ok, I'll take a stab at your questions:

#1 Yes, the 1:7" twist and heavier ammo should reach out quite well to 600 meters.

#2 BCM's stock CH and BCG are just fine. They are plenty good enough to function properly in a select fire M4/M16A4. The larger CH can be easier to operate if you expect to end up in a combat zone and can take more abuse while the slick coatings are easier to clean. Not necessary but could be good to have. Most of us do fine with plain ol' milspec from BCM.

#3 If you already have a cleaning kit for a .22LR rifle you should be ok for now. You'll need a chamber brush, tooth brush and other odds and ends down the road.

thesheepdog
November 2, 2010, 08:07 AM
I do not currently own an AR, so will there be any other cleaning tools I need to get right off the bat?

Not really, it'll run for thousands of rounds before a good cleaning is needed. But, if you like a clean weapon like most RESPONSIBLE people do, then I would suggest a bore-snake, a can of CLP break free, and a shop rag. After about a thousand rounds or so, you may want to clean the gas tube with a brush (this can be done cheaply with those fuzzy, bendable craft tube brushes). CLP works wonders and almost keeps you from having to do any scrubbing on your gun; Just soak in in CLP, let it sit for about 15 minutes, drain the excess, and wipe the gunk off.

BCM's BCG's are top quality. An upgraded one (coated) will just lengthen your cleaning intervals and give you a little more life in your bolt.

600 meters is perfect for the .223 in a 16" barrel. I chrono'd 68gr MBTHP's at around 2800 fps out of a 16" Lothar Walther on my DDM4.

BFaubion
November 2, 2010, 10:47 PM
Thanks for the help guys. I'll be sure and remember to post pictures after I order the parts and build this monstrosity. Now I just need to think of a name for my SHTF apocalypse gun.

Nemsis
November 3, 2010, 06:18 PM
Wait a little while Bravo Company always has sales around Christmas

cannonfire
November 4, 2010, 11:43 AM
How are the Palmetto State lower build kits? I was shopping on the website and saw you can get a Geissele SSA with all the Magpul fun stuff for $369

jsimmons
November 8, 2010, 01:50 PM
I just finished my custom build:

Upper Receiver:
YHM Upper assembly
YHM smooth floating forearm
YHM gas block/front sight
YHM sling swivel stud and swivel
BlackHole Weaponry 16-inch stainless 1:8 mid-length barrel
BlackHole Weaponry DragonBrake flash supressor
Young Mfg M-16 BCG
Badger tactical charging handle kit
Troy rear folding battle sight

Lower Reciever:
Spike's stripped lower
Spike's battle trigger group
DPMS LPK
KNS anti-wal/rotation pins
YHM quick-takedown pins
Daniel defense QD sling swivel
Magpul B.A.D. lever
Magpul enhanced aluminum trigger guard
Magpul CTR stock
Magpul enhanced buttpad
Magpul ASAP
CAA UPG-16 grip

For optics, it's got a Primary Arms MicroDot Gen8 (I'm hoping to get either an Aimpoint or a EOTech XPS-2 for xmas).