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Hoosier70
August 31, 2010, 11:08 PM
Ok I have my grandfathers Winchester model 67, 22 cal. and it needs some work. The stock needs refinished and I can tell there's rust in the trigger area. Now for the big part it could use a bbl. but I can't find one anywhere. The go to guys at Numrick (sp) are out ? So I figure I'll buy another one and put that bbl on mine. Here's the question, 1. Does that sound extreme / feasible ??

birdshot
September 1, 2010, 12:56 AM
hoosier, start with a thorough cleaning. if you have no experience with disassembly of firearms you may be money ahead to use a gunsmith. taking rifles apart is easy, putting them back together is the sometimes tricky part.

unless the barrel is bent i doubt you need a new barrel. 22lr is not hard on a barrel, but they do crud up after a couple of generations of use. i have two 22lr that are older than your grandfather's that shined up like a new penny. unless parts are broken on an old gun i would prefer to see them as original as possible with the natural patina. i think you will be pleased with how well the rifle shoots after a good deep cleaning.

birdshot
September 1, 2010, 01:12 AM
by the way your model 67 was made between 1934 and 1963. 383,000 rifles total. geting an exact age is diffucult since serial numbers were not used.
after the first 125,000 the trigger was grooved. at 134,000 winchester stopped grooving the trigger. the earlier rifles had a chromed cocking knob and bolt.
my buddy had one when i was a kid. he and i went through a lot of ammo. the single shot made us aim.

kozak6
September 1, 2010, 01:32 AM
How do you know it needs a new barrel?

Give it a scrub, and then see how it shoots. And then shoot it some more. Some barrels shoot better with some lead in the bore.

If the barrel is hopeless, which I rather doubt, it could also be relined in lieu of a replacement.

Please note that refinishing will damage the value of the gun.

Is the barrel the receiver with this gun?

Eagle0711
September 1, 2010, 11:24 AM
You have been given excellant advice.With a 22 R.F. the brand of ammo is critical for good accuracy. I bought an old Win. single shot with that old rusty patina, and a horrible trigger. I gave $40.00 bucks for it . With CCI mini mags it will put 5 in a half inch at 50 yards. I suspect you may be pleased providing yours is safe to shoot. Best, Lyle

30-30remchester
September 1, 2010, 01:19 PM
Reasonable? It is insulting to me. When you refinish your grandpa's rifle you are erasing FOREVER any part of this rifle that was your grandpa. Every dent, ding, scratch and abrasion is your grandpa's history with it. Why not just tear your grandpa's face out of all the family photo albums in which his hair isnt approriately combed to your standards? By all means remove the rust as that is a cancer that can spread, give it a good cleaning and leave it alone. Relish in the fact that it is worn badly. Tell the story to anyone that will listen how your grandpa wore this rifle out, and show them the evidence. Go hunting with it and every time you miss because it is not accurate anymore, smile up at heaven and say sarcasticly "thanks alot gramps". Those scars on the stock could have been inflicted in mortal combat with a wounded woodchuck. Who knows? I do know if you remove them because it isnt purty enough for you, those scars will never have a story to tell. When I hand down my guns to my grandsons I will tell them about every scratch on my old model 70, and how they were recieved while I was a big game guide. I will tell them the arasions on the Smith model 19 was the result of an ATV wreck inwhich the guns was recovered at the bottom of a river. Relish the fact your grandpa used this fine gun. Be proud it looks the way it does. Most guns leave the safe for trips to the range then home, never to have an interesting story to tell. Let your chest expand with pride that YOUR gun has been there, done that, and got the battle scars to prove it.

Hoosier70
September 1, 2010, 04:59 PM
Thanks to all that replied, I think I'm just gonna clean it up and keep it 100% original.

Scorch
September 1, 2010, 07:18 PM
Hoosier-
Your Winchester Model 67 is a single-shot 22 LR rimfire rifle, built with the action and barrel as a single piece. Yup, not a separate "barrel", per se. If you decide to "rebarrel", you are looking at relining the bore (about $300) or finding a new barrel/action (about $200), as well as refinishing the wood and metal. All of this would cost more than it would cost to replace the rifle, which would cost about $150-$250.
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9848616&oh=216543

James K
September 1, 2010, 08:04 PM
I suspect that the folks who talk about cleaning the bore are of the non-corrosive primer age. Barrels used with corrosive priming and not cleaned (which meant most kid's .22 rifles, kids being who they are) are not dirty or full of crud. They are rusted out, deeply and permanently, to the point where the rifling isn't even a memory. I agree that restoring that bore would mean a liner, and that the rifle is not worth the cost.

Since it is an heirloom, give the poor old thing an honorable retirement over the fireplace and buy a newer rifle to shoot.

Jim

birdshot
September 1, 2010, 08:48 PM
Jim is correct about corrosive ammo and poor maintenance practices ruining barrels, but the good news is by the time your grand pa's rifle was introduced corrosive 22lr was not being made. phased out by 1930. i have a couple of Stevens rifles which looked bad until i cleaned them which now shoot as accurately as a Ruger 77/22, which i bought new/clean.

drumnhands
September 6, 2010, 02:13 PM
I'm with the "leave it alone" crowd. My Dad gave me the Remington model 4 that my Great Uncle taught him to hunt with. When the spring that holds the breech block open broke, Uncle George hooked a coill spring to it and attatched it to the stock with asmall screw. It's been like that since Dad was a little boy. My Dad is 87, this gun has to be close to 100 years old, and the rifling cleaned up beautifully with a little scrubbing. Other than that, I will never change a thing on this rifle, the memories are too important.

lefteyedom
September 10, 2010, 01:16 AM
Take the middle road. Make the rifle safe to shoot. Clean the rifle completely Reline the barrel if needed. Clean the stock and oil it, don't sand the history out of it.

$300 to get your grandfather rifle functioning would be money well spent. That 22 is not a $125 use Winchester Model 67 rimfire, it is your grandfather rifle and no other Model 67 can replace it.

I take Jay Leno's view of his cars about my firearms. They should drivable and they should be driven. Not museum pieces that are only looked at.

Once you clean and repair the rifle take it out and shoot some cans or maybe a squirrel with. Take a kid shooting with you as well. ;)

Life is about making new memories not just holding on the old ones.