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troy_mclure
August 3, 2010, 07:04 AM
this is what i have heard from every place i have looked, which is most every sporting goods, pawn, and gun shops within a hundred miles or so.

goex is a few hours from me, think they sell from the factory?


where do you find your black powder?

ClemBert
August 3, 2010, 07:34 AM
Buy it from one of the many online sources.

4V50 Gary
August 3, 2010, 07:36 AM
I would call the factory first rather than spend a couple of hours driving there. I mailed ordered mine years ago.

c.robertson
August 3, 2010, 08:31 AM
As much as I dislike them, BASS PRO SHOPS carries Goex black powder, at least in Kansas City. It is $24.99 a can including extortion tax.

Rifleman1776
August 3, 2010, 08:52 AM
$25.00 is a lot for BP.
As an avid traditional muzzle loading shooter for 45 years, I have seen the cost of shooting MLs go from a few cents per shot to fairly costly these days.
Yes, it is a hassle for dealers to buy and store BP. That was exactly the intent of Senator Birch Bayh's so-called 'Black Powder Relief Bill' in the late 1970s. The title was a complete lie.
I attend several organized muzzle loading shoots per year. Usually there is, at least one, wholesale dealer in attendance. At about $15 to $20 a pound, I always try to buy one or two pounds more than I estimate I'll need for the coming year. I notice those who can afford to are buying by the case.
Do look for ML shoots in your area. Just attending can be fun and will be able to buy powder and other ML goodies to whatever extent your pocketbook will allow.
Yep, 'they' are trying to kill our sport. Hang in there and keep this in mind come November elections.

Noz
August 3, 2010, 09:03 AM
At $18-$20/# you'd be much better off buying from Powder inc. Their quoted prices include hazmat.

Mike Irwin
August 3, 2010, 10:17 AM
I think the last couple of pounds of black powder I bought were $12 a pound, back in 1990.

The local black powder hunting/shooting/re-enactment group did a group buy.

Rifleman1776
August 3, 2010, 10:20 AM
Noz, possibly, but not near as much fun.
After all, what's it all about?

kwhi43@kc.rr.com
August 3, 2010, 11:25 AM
The club I belong to here in Kansas City sells if for 15.00 a lb.

mykeal
August 3, 2010, 12:06 PM
You can get Goex for as little as $13.60 per pound delivered if you make a bulk purchase (25 pounds for $340, 50 pounds for $680) from Powder Inc.

A 5 pound lot is $21.35 per pound or $106.75 total, a 10 pound lot is $16.90 per pound or $169.00 total)

Doc Hoy
August 3, 2010, 12:46 PM
I bought powder and caps, two shows in a row. At 22.00 a pound it is a little high but in the final analysis who really cares? We are all made of money anyways, Right?

Now what was that URL?...Powder Inc.? Hmmm?

mykeal
August 3, 2010, 02:08 PM
http://www.powderinc.com/

mm44
August 3, 2010, 04:22 PM
http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac247/tlareng/HPIM0108.jpg

After signing a waiver and paying for 5# at Powder inc. I was given 2# of the older stuff free!
I wonder how much of the older stuff is sitting around in peoples closets, etc?

robhof
August 3, 2010, 05:34 PM
My brother and I had a 3/4" cannon back in the 60's, paid $2 for our 1st lb of FG Dupont and later $3.50 for Goex, packed it up in 69 to go in the USAF. Dug it out in 1990 for my son and the ammo box it was in still had fuse and about 1/2lb of the antique Goex. Dropped in 50gr and some of the original fuse and it fired fine.

troy_mclure
August 4, 2010, 04:34 AM
honestly i never did check bass pro!

ill check them out, if not i guess ill order online.

RealtorDoug
August 4, 2010, 06:30 AM
I've recently tried Diamonback powder from www.powderinc.com and like it...$10.15/lb...only problem is you have to buy it by the case (25 - 1lb cans).

ClemBert
August 4, 2010, 06:46 AM
Bass Pro = Ripoff!

Okay, maybe a lil' harsh as they are providing a service. However, their service isn't worth it to me under about most conditions. I'll probably order Diamondback next time after my 25lbs of GOEX is used up.

madcratebuilder
August 4, 2010, 08:40 AM
I mail order, get a few guys together and make a larger order and split up the hazmat and shipping cost.

jaguarxk120
August 4, 2010, 09:09 AM
I get Schuetzen powder for $23 lb. from a local smith. Much better than the other stuff.

troy_mclure
August 5, 2010, 02:01 AM
no joy at bass pro.

HiBC
August 5, 2010, 02:25 AM
grafs

Uncle Buck
August 5, 2010, 09:17 AM
Why is it that BP is such a pain to stock?

The place I bought it from keeps it in a special, metal Job Box, with wheels on it, and just rolls out the thing when you want to buy some.

Is it because of special licenses required? Local fire Department rules? Zoning? Just curious.

Hardcase
August 5, 2010, 10:17 AM
Why is it that BP is such a pain to stock?

The place I bought it from keeps it in a special, metal Job Box, with wheels on it, and just rolls out the thing when you want to buy some.

Is it because of special licenses required? Local fire Department rules? Zoning? Just curious.

Federal law requires the ATF to classify black powder as an explosive, so it carries particular storage and transportation requirements that are a little more inconvenient than smokeless powder or BP substitutes. I think that most shops just don't want to deal with the hassles of what is, in most areas, a fairly niche business.

I do what a lot of guys do here, which is to either get a few friends together and make a 50 pound order or find out when a rendezvous is happening and visit the powder vendors there.

tripe1917
August 5, 2010, 10:20 AM
Here in Texas I was told by the owners of stores I frequent they would be dropped by their insurance companies if it was stocked on premises. I got 25 pounds of Schuetzen from Upper Missouri Trading Co. for $13.64/pd. last May. I have also bought Graf & Sons powder for a reasonable price and liked it,too.

troy_mclure
August 5, 2010, 12:10 PM
higher insurance rates, special fire plans that have to be approved by the fire marshal, special storage, etc...

wittzo
August 5, 2010, 01:41 PM
My local dealer can't afford to spend $500-$800 on an approved powder magazine for one customer's needs.

It's ridiculous that blackpowder is singled out as an explosive when it does the same thing as smokeless or the substitutes, which can be abused the same way.

Model-P
August 5, 2010, 08:45 PM
It's ridiculous that blackpowder is singled out as an explosive when it does the same thing as smokeless or the substitutes, which can be abused the same way.

:eek::confused:

They aren't the same at all.

bedbugbilly
August 5, 2010, 09:17 PM
Let's see . . . . I've got a can of Goex sitting on my shelf but the price marked on the can is $1.75! Oh yea . . . I forgot . . . . I bought that back in 1966 . . . . . when I could buy a can of 100 #11 caps for fifty cents. :D

Hardcase
August 5, 2010, 10:37 PM
It's ridiculous that blackpowder is singled out as an explosive when it does the same thing as smokeless or the substitutes, which can be abused the same way.

I believe that the difference is the boom versus the burn (OK, maybe a little simplistic, but you get the picture...)