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yarojohn
July 11, 2010, 11:08 PM
I have this old (1975[AA]) colt dragoon replica,and it's italian,but i have no idea what is the name of manufacturer,can someone tell me?

denster
July 12, 2010, 12:17 AM
The PN with the star above is the mark of the Gardone proof house. I can't make out the other marks. Look for a U in an octagon for Uberti, a DGG for Armi San Palo, or a dp in a circle for Pendersoli.

Bootsie
July 12, 2010, 01:51 AM
If memory serves Armi san Marco was the only maker of Dragoons back then. Check under the barrel for manufacturer mark.
Bootsie

yarojohn
July 12, 2010, 03:31 AM
there is nothing on the barrel,its only says black powder and 2nd model dragoon,on cylinder there is a PN and this crossed rifles emblem too ,under it is AA (the year 1975) and PN sign again ,thats all, the strange looking proofmark (the human like sign above PN and emblem with crossed rifles) is the manufacturer ID unknown to me.

kadima
July 12, 2010, 04:00 AM
The "human shape" mark is a mis-printed German proofmark

K.

Doc Hoy
July 12, 2010, 06:20 AM
Welcome to the forum.

mykeal
July 12, 2010, 06:43 AM
The two lower marks are both generic Italian proof marks; they provide no information as to the manufacturer. The mark on the lower left is a provisional proof mark for the Brescia proof house; the mark on the right is the mark for first proof at both Brescia and Gardone.

The upper mark is unknown to me. I could find no mention of anything like it in my list of German arms proof marks.

kadima
July 12, 2010, 10:19 AM
Indeed is a mark I have on my German proofed IMI and on my German proofed ammo for the K31.

Funny it may seem I, too cannot find it anywhere on the web, but I am pretty sure it is a German thing. Strange, because under C.I.P. agreements the Italian proofs are valid in Germany and Vice-versa.

K.

Hawg Haggen
July 12, 2010, 04:41 PM
It doesn't look like any German proof I can find. It does look a lot like a Japanese character.

yarojohn
July 15, 2010, 03:02 PM
thx for reply everyone.

Indeed is a mark I have on my German proofed IMI and on my German proofed ammo for the K31

Can you attach a photo of it? I would like to see,so it's an old italian-german production?

arcticap
July 15, 2010, 07:50 PM
It's an Italian produced gun because of the Italian proof mark since they were the primary manufacturers of these guns at the time.

The German proof mark probably means that it was imported into Germany so maybe under their laws at the time that same German proof house/manufacturer/importer performed their own proof testing on it and marked it.
Then someone sent it or brought it to the U.S. where proof testing isn't required, but only who knows when that was.

Some German companies may perform proof testing that is not required by law, but they simply do that as a matter of reputation. The fact that they are selling the item is reason enough for them to mark each with their seal of integrity.

Bootsie
July 16, 2010, 06:47 AM
The "human shape" looks like a misprinted importer mark of German Frankonia gun dealer/importer/exporter do me.
Bootsie

kadima
July 16, 2010, 07:22 AM
That is! Frankonia and not a proofmark!

Frankonia is the dirtributor in n-Europe of Swiss surplus ammo, that's why I have that logo on my GP11 rounds.....

Bootsie, thank you for having cleared this (for me) little mistery....

Here is an example of the marking, shamelessly obtained by googling...
http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2664106590072995975kMXjIL
K.

Slowhand
July 18, 2010, 03:32 PM
Good stuff. I'll add those markings to my collection.