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SCDeac82
June 18, 2010, 09:21 AM
Hello Everyone:

Been thinking about a semi-auto Plinking/HD rifle for a while, but price is a consideration.

Have narrowed it down to two choices:

Mini 14 Tactical
Mini 14 All-Weather

Does anyone own either model?

Suggestions for optics? Impressions?

Thanks for any input.

Regards,

JB

thesheepdog
June 18, 2010, 09:26 AM
Hello Everyone:

Been thinking about a semi-auto Plinking/HD rifle for a while, but price is a consideration.

Have narrowed it down to two choices:
Mini 14 Tactical
Mini 14 All-Weather
Does anyone own either model?

Suggestions for optics? Impressions?

Thanks for any input.

Regards,

JB

Get the tactical version. Much better handling with better accuracy than the standard length barrels. You'll lose some range, but, maybe a 100 yards.

As far as optics, a 30mm scope, 2-5X should be an awesome setup. Or, get just a standard red-dot. I wouldn't get a huge scope, otherwise you're defeating the purpose. But, again, a 100 yard scope (2-5X, 30mm objective) would be a very sweet setup!

Post pics when you get one.

zombieslayer
June 18, 2010, 09:37 AM
The Tactical is excellent. I bought one- no regrets

KMO
June 18, 2010, 05:52 PM
The tactical is a good choice, but be aware that Ruger has marketed two different versions of the Tactical Mini-14. One has the ATI folding stock, and the other has the Hogue polymer stock. I chose the latter with the factory flash hider, and I'm very pleased with it. Right out of the box it has been accurate...dare I say...as accurate as any AR-15 out there. I did put a Mo-Rod on it, but I probably won't modify it further since it's performing well. I went with a red dot sight made by TruGlo for an optic. It's not their cheapest model...paid a little over $100 for it, and I'm pleased with it too. I mounted the red dot on a B-Square see-under rail so I can retain the use of my iron sights too. I like the set up...;)

SCDeac82
June 18, 2010, 06:28 PM
Thanks guys.

KMO: What is a "mo-rod?"

JB

rduckwor
June 18, 2010, 07:41 PM
"Mo-Rod" or Accu-Strut are barrel stabilizers that clamp onto the gas block and are attached to the barrel with a couple of clamps. They look like a gas tube on an M14. They act to stabilize barrel whip and change barrel harmonics thus usually increasing accuracy on a Mini 14. If you wind up with a tactical, shoot it first before investing money in a stabilizer. The newer tacticals are reported to be more accurate than the older ones.

SCDeac82
June 18, 2010, 08:41 PM
Right, thanks Duck.

I just realized KMO left a web address for it.

They look pretty sharp.:cool:

My understanding is that Ruger now has a thicker barrel, which enhances accuracy vs. previous models.

Can't wait to get one!

JB

riverwalker76
June 18, 2010, 09:23 PM
Get the Tactical model. The 16 1/4" barrel really makes a difference in accuracy. No need for an Accustrut unless you just want it for cosmetics.

Also ... do yourself a favor and DO NOT shoot 55 gr. ammo out of them. They HATE 55 gr. ammo. I've owned mine for 5 months, and it loves 62gr. to 69 gr. bullets. If you reload yourself ... this is a plus. I load up anything that is cheap between those two weights, and I'm good to go.

Bamashooter
June 18, 2010, 10:09 PM
i agree with the heavier ammo. my mini loves 60 & 69gr. bullets. just for having fun the fmj 55gr. is ok.

SCDeac82
June 18, 2010, 11:23 PM
Interesting points on the ammo.

I have heard that for some reason the boatails don't perform as well in the Mini.

JB

Bamashooter
June 19, 2010, 12:44 AM
the 60gr. sierra bullets i use arent boat tail and they shoot better groups than the 69gr.smk's. dont really know why, i was very suprised to find that out. i think past 100yrds. the smk's would out perform the 60gr. varmiter's.

SCDeac82
June 19, 2010, 06:14 AM
Bama:

Haven't heard the term "smk" before...define?

Thanks.

JB

KMO
June 19, 2010, 08:10 AM
KMO: What is a "mo-rod?"

Below is my factory Tactical with the Mo-Rod installed. Some say it isn't needed on the newer barrels, but I'm not complaining about my results. It'll stay put...;)

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk26/kbmoffitt/Mo-Rod006.jpg

NooYawkuh
June 19, 2010, 09:13 AM
I'll go contrarian here ... I went with the A-W Ranch and I'm glad I did. I really like the stainless steel. It's not a polished or satin finish, more like a low-luster tumble finish but I really like it.

Another thing I notice about Tactical Minis I see (and hear) at the range - They are noticeably louder because of the shorter barrel.

Either way, plan on being more pleased than you expected to be. :D

Irish80prf
June 19, 2010, 09:29 AM
SMK-Sierra Match King. I had an old mini that I didn't like one bit, but I've heard the new ones are a ton better. Mine was a pretty old one I bought used. The gun worked perfectly, it just wasn't as accurate as I would have liked. I think I expected more from it then I should have. I kind of wish I still had it to plink with now that I reload. Enjoy.

WagonM
June 19, 2010, 12:24 PM
I have the 580 series tactical model (polymer stock + bird cage), good nuff and shoot better than me plinker. I love popping cans, jugs and golf balls at 85 yd.. I'm not into target shooting nor have any plan to, the 580 mini-14 serves me just PERFECT.

I do not have a strut, but I did give it a cryo treatment .. not that my 580- needs it, just that there is no down side to give it a cryo..

SCDeac82
June 19, 2010, 01:56 PM
Two Questions:

Is the Tactical Model Blue only?

What is a "cryo" treatment?

Thanks. JB

Single Six
June 19, 2010, 02:13 PM
As usual,I'm coming in late to this discussion,but here goes..First,the Ruger Mini-14 in any guise is a very reliable rifle,not to mention pretty rugged. I'm sure that more folks own ARs than Minis,and to each their own. But for me,you just can't go wrong with a Mini. Ruger's website,Ruger.com,should say whether the model you want comes in blued or not. Meanwhile,"Cryo" refers to a process known as cryogenic freezing. It is supposed to make your rifle more accurate,but I have no personal experience with it and can make no judgments on it...and another TFL member with a better understanding of it than mine can probably explain it much better. I just know that it's not something you can accomplish at home with your freezer! Good luck.

zombieslayer
June 19, 2010, 02:16 PM
Not sure on the ss tactical but I have seen a deluxe wood-stocked Tactical mini. I'm building a custom mini right now from a base malmart model. It came with a nice looking wood stock and I'm having the barrel cut, recrowned, and threaded. Also gonna send the trigger off. Love my tactical, its the one with the threaded barrel and its really accurate.

rickyrick
June 20, 2010, 03:46 PM
Go for the tactical, I have a ranch and it could benefit from a muzzle brake.

get ya some good ear muffs at times the mini is louder than 30 cals or 12ga

oneoldsap
June 20, 2010, 06:02 PM
I have an All-Weather that has hung in a Scabbard behind the seat of my truck for at least a dozen years . I clean it every time I trade Trucks , which is every 5 years . It has a Millett 30mm Red dot on it . It just works , not a tack driver by any means but utterly dependable . It loves that Wolf ammo and has never jammed on me . I didn't know there was a Tac. Model .

skoro
June 20, 2010, 08:20 PM
Suggestions for optics?

I put a Burris Timberline 2-7x26 on my Ranch Rifle. They were made for each other. It's a compact scope that fits the Mini-14 perfectly.

SCDeac82
June 21, 2010, 08:48 AM
Wonder if a good gunsmith could mount an aftermarket muzzle brake on the All Weather?

JB

zombieslayer
June 21, 2010, 08:53 AM
You could just have the All Weather barrel threaded. Put any brake you want on. Or- they do make pin-on brakes...

KMO
June 21, 2010, 04:07 PM
I would wait for Choate to come out with a nice pin-on brake for the tapered barrel...

blume357
June 22, 2010, 06:26 AM
iron sights and leave the optics alone.... optics are 'fun' but for real rifle work they are just too iffy.

oneoldsap
June 22, 2010, 07:31 AM
Aim-Point or Peep Sights !

Art Eatman
June 22, 2010, 09:51 AM
Dang, blume, and here for sixty years I've been doing it all wrong!

:D:D:D

Mawetta
June 22, 2010, 10:11 AM
Get the target model and use a decent scope

SPEMack618
June 22, 2010, 10:20 AM
If cost is an issue, then you might consider the stainless ranch model as previously suggested. While not "tacti-cool" it's still a dang good gun in my opinion, especially while using heavier grain bullets as mentioned above.

My Mini-14 is accurate enough at 100 yards and pretty dang deadly to the local rodent population inside of that.

NooYawkuh
June 22, 2010, 08:39 PM
Wonder if a good gunsmith could mount an aftermarket muzzle brake on the All Weather?

JB
You don't need no stinking gunsmith. I think these are made by Masen. They have them for both older and newer (580) Minis in blue or SS.
http://andean-inc.com/Merchant5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TAOS&Category_Code=mini1430muzbrake

I haven't done it but I know someone who has and he likes it a lot. Just remove the roll pin from the front sight, slip on the brake, and install the supplied longer pin to secure both the sight and the brake.

I'm contemplating it but I've shelved the idea, for now. I just don't like the way the pin looks sticking out like that. I wish the brake were designed so the pin were flush with the collar.

KMO
June 23, 2010, 05:03 AM
I just don't like the way the pin looks sticking out like that. I wish the brake were designed so the pin were flush with the collar.

It's just a common roll pin like one can buy at any hardware store. You can shorten it or buy a shorter one before installing the brake. I think the photos are intended to demonstrate how the brakes install with a pin. They should all tap in flush when installed...they won't stick out.

rickyrick
June 23, 2010, 09:24 AM
found this on the masen website concerning the model of muzzle brake in question. sorry I cam't post the link, on a cell phone.



"Will not fit Ranch Rifle or new 580 series
Because of the barrel and front sight diameter"

Darren007
June 23, 2010, 03:16 PM
What is a "cryo" treatment?

"Cryo" refers to a process known as cryogenic freezing. It is supposed to make your rifle more accurate,but I have no personal experience with it and can make no judgments on it...and another TFL member with a better understanding of it than mine can probably explain it much better. I just know that it's not something you can accomplish at home with your freezer!

FWIW...The barrel maker Shilen has this posted their website about cryo treatments...

***If you have heard that the cryogenic treatment stress relieves steel, this is false. We have measured the residual stress in 4140 and 416 steel with a process called x-ray diffraction. After much R&D, we have not been able to measure any changes in molecular stress after cryo treatment. For this reason we do not endorse the cryogenic process, but we can safely say that it is not detrimental to the barrel either. ***

blume357
June 24, 2010, 05:15 AM
Art Eatman wrote:
Dang, blume, and here for sixty years I've been doing it all wrong!

See, you can learn some thing, even after 60 years!
;)

K8vf
June 24, 2010, 07:28 AM
I bought a tactical mini 14. "Normal" looking synthetic stock.

It is completely reliable, and shoots about 3 inch groups at 50 yards with 55 grain or 62 grain ammo.

Typically the Mini has a first round group in a different place than the remainder of the rounds in the magazine.

For home defense, it is a good choice, except the use of frangible ammo would be mandatory if indoor shots would be anticipated.

NooYawkuh
July 5, 2010, 09:01 AM
See, you can learn some thing, even after 60 years!

What about "tradition"? :confused:

http://site.despair.com/images/dpage/tradition03.jpg

RobsImprza00
July 5, 2010, 09:15 AM
i bought a brand new ruger mini 14 ranch rifle. It was not semi auto, it came from the factory without a gasblock, piston or a ported barrel.

Ruger denied making any non-semi mini's because, well there would be no market for a bolt operated .223. So, i keep it in the safe. Hopefully it will be worth something since everyone is telling me its a collectors.

NooYawkuh
July 5, 2010, 10:32 AM
i bought a brand new ruger mini 14 ranch rifle. It was not semi auto, it came from the factory without a gasblock, piston or a ported barrel.

Ruger denied making any non-semi mini's because, well there would be no market for a bolt operated .223. So, i keep it in the safe. Hopefully it will be worth something since everyone is telling me its a collectors.
I've never heard of such a thing. Can you elaborate? What kind of markings does it have? Can you post pics? If it's a prototype, it's probably worth plenty right now. But why would a prototype get out onto the market where you could buy it new? What year did you buy it?

Kmar40
July 5, 2010, 10:32 AM
Suggestions for optics?
I put a Burris Timberline 2-7x26 on my Ranch Rifle. They were made for each other. It's a compact scope that fits the Mini-14 perfectly.
skoro is offline Report Post.I have one of those. Great compact (or near compact) scope for the money. Relatively quick to use on the 2x setting in our shortange boreal forest or swamp hunting up here in UP Michigan.

Wish I had gotten it in 1-4x but it was money well spent.

RobsImprza00
July 5, 2010, 11:01 AM
I've never heard of such a thing. Can you elaborate? What kind of markings does it have? Can you post pics? If it's a prototype, it's probably worth plenty right now. But why would a prototype get out onto the market where you could buy it new? What year did you buy it?


ive compared my ranch rifle to the tac rifle i made a year prior and they look identical. Except all of the parts which are for feeding semi auto, are missing. The gas block in the front of the stock, is not milled for the gas port. The piston bar isnt there.

I bought it from my local range, it came fitted with harris bipod and ncstart scope. Ive removed the scope rail and scope since.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n76/robsimprza00/IMG_2824.jpg

I brought it over to the ruger factory which is in NH, lucky me. They validated the SN as a typical Ruger Mini 14 ranch rifle. But the shop guy was completely confused as to why it was built this way. He told me to hang onto it as it may be worth some money in the future.


also i have a thread in here about it, it was a mystery to a few people.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343380

Art Eatman
July 5, 2010, 11:55 AM
One thing that happens to all riflemen: At some point in time, the old eyebone won't be able to align rear sight, front sight and target. It's the move from "Hey, I'm great!" into the World of Blur. Tradition has damn-all to do with it; that's a foolish idea. The idea is to use whatever is effective in order to get hits where hits should be made.

FWIW, I have a shooting table at my house and a 22" diameter hanging steel plate at 500 yards. Anybody with iron sights is welcome to come show me consistent sub-MOA, any old time. :D

NooYawkuh
July 5, 2010, 09:03 PM
All I can say, RobsImprza00, is very interesting. Seems like doorgunner was the only one who knew what's what with that Mini. Thanks for the info.

KMO
July 6, 2010, 09:13 PM
RobsImprza00, that Mini-14 looks like a combination of the Ranch and the GB versions. If that is a factory front sight/bayonet lug, then it's the first Mini I've seen with one like that, aside from the GB rifles.

rickyrick
July 7, 2010, 07:08 AM
What's the accuracy on that? I bet its pretty good without the semi-stuff banging around.