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D.Nix
May 26, 2010, 09:42 AM
Hello, I have been thinking about geting into casting boolits. Been doing alot of research and have noticed that lee, rcbs, lyman do not offer a wad cutter in any caliber except in the .38 . Just was woundering if a wad cutter would be practible in a .44 or .45 colt. I have been using berrys swc in both my .44 mag and .45 colt. they work very good and have been shooting lead out of them for two years. would like to get your guys thought on this. thanks

kraigwy
May 26, 2010, 10:43 AM
Lyman and RCBS (and I'm sure there are others) will build you pretty much any mold you want. Just give them the dementions.

I never thought of it, and I dont think its gonna get on my "to-do" list, but if you want one, by all means call one of the mold makers and go for it.

dahermit
May 26, 2010, 05:04 PM
Post begs the question: Why? Unless you want to print sharp holes in paper targets (there is little interest in paper target shooting using those calibers these days), for what purpose do you want wadcutters? There are a host of standard .44 and .45 mould designs out there that are really good for any practical application. What do you envision using a wadcutter bullet for? I am just very curious.

Rifleman1776
May 26, 2010, 05:13 PM
Haven't checked the catalogs, but sure seems to me the Keith style semi-wadcutters mould would still be available.
BTW, they are considered by many to be excellent for hunting with proper hardness.

D.Nix
May 26, 2010, 06:48 PM
Blunt Force Trauma. . . . no i was just woundering if any one has seen or have thought of this. I am using keith style swc now. But i do shoot alot of paper along with a ton of jackrabbits. got to thinking " man I wounder what a full wad cutter in a 250 grain would do to a jackrabbit" Im always thinking outside the box.

Edward429451
May 26, 2010, 07:54 PM
Lyman old 44 WC is a 180 gr and makes a dandy SD bullet in my CA Bulldog, I mean...it works great in 44 mag light loads for rabbits and stuff ;)

The WC's have a tendancy to tumble after 50 yds or so so Lyman has a new version out, A 200 grain pointed WC (They put an aerodynamic tip on and retained a full caliber shoulder!)

That would be worth looking at

dahermit
May 27, 2010, 07:32 AM
After posting above, I found that the newest catalog from Graf & Sons (pages 164-165), has a Saeco two-cavity mould listed for full wadcutters in both .44 and .45 calibers. So, they are in current production...no need for custom builds.

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/452

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/453

Not the heavies you were fantasizing about, but full wadcutters none the less.

Rifleman1776
May 27, 2010, 08:27 AM
Edward, I used hard cast Keith style SWCs in my .44 Ruger Redhawk for many years. I shot it competitively and never experienced tumbling at any distance. Including (once) silhouettes at 500 meters. Gotta disagree with you. Keith hisself liked them for hunting at longer ranges.

Edward429451
May 27, 2010, 09:06 AM
I would disagree with myself if I had been talking about SWC's, please read again;)

The Keith SWC's are grand, I have both of them the 429421 245gr and the 429650 300gr GC. No they don't tumble.

D.Nix
May 28, 2010, 12:36 PM
Thanks for all the quick response's. I wasn't sure how accurate the wad cutter were, now i know. ill be sure and check out the saeco molds . everyone have a good weekend and be safe.

M4Sherman
May 29, 2010, 12:01 AM
I have some simi-wad cutter molds by saeco on the trade section of this site in 44 magnum

briandg
June 16, 2010, 06:09 PM
Remember that loading a WC bullet flush is going to almost cut your powder capacity in the case by 1/2. If you load something like a 200 grain wadcutter flush and use a charge intended for that same weight in a normal SWC bullet, you're going to get a very serious pressure spike.

I'd just look for a standard SWC with minimal taper, and you will have, for all practical purposes, a wad cutter.

I cast and shot thousands of wadcutters in .38, and found that the loads weren't any more accurate, and I just didn't like them anyway. wimpy dirty loads.

longfellow
January 14, 2011, 08:05 AM
Make sure you slug your bores. If you're in the sweet spot and throats are accomodating, by all means get the commercial mold. If you have to, because of unusually large throats, go custom (and who wouldn't given that the extra couple of bucks spread out over years is meaningless and you get exactly what you want) then I can highly recommend Accurate molds. His 43-220 with tumble lube grooves in brass makes bullets so smooth and concentric I made a couple in to earings for my wife. Thet sparkle right out of the blocks ;)

jmortimer
January 14, 2011, 09:26 AM
The full profile meplat of a .45 Colt would be devestating and you would get excellent penetration. Look at the performance of the Buffalo Bore 150 grain hard cast .38 special that will do 900 fps in a 1 7/8" J frame and gives two feet of straight line penetration. Penn Bullets is the only manufacturer making a .45 225 grain wadcutter and it's good to know Saco is making a wadcutter mold. I think you will be very happy with the results and what a sef-defense round - an 11.5 mm .45 Colt wadcutter is nasty.

saltydog452
January 14, 2011, 10:42 AM
Montana Bullets (?), offered a wide flat nose meplat where the front barely touched the bore. It didn't quite look like a scaled down soup can, but that description wouldn't be too far off the mark. I think it was called The Leadhead, Flathead, something like that.

That'll Do
January 14, 2011, 12:01 PM
If anyone is interested in casting their own bullets, Accurate Molds has a large selection of molds, including full wadcutters of various weights in for .44's and .45's.

Here's a link: http://accuratemolds.com/

zippy13
January 14, 2011, 12:14 PM
I just checked the LEE site, and they no longer offer the .44 WC mold that I use.

salvadore
January 16, 2011, 01:19 PM
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm297/farcla/DSC00869.jpg

This old Ideal mould runs around 250grs.

jmortimer
January 16, 2011, 04:18 PM
^ That is my idea of a beautiful bullet. Nice meplat. I know most people are in love with expanding bullets but just looking at that bullet would scare me.

hornetguy
February 1, 2011, 09:56 AM
Yeah, I've got one of the old Lee wadcutter molds, too. Haven't used it in a while, but as I recall, it threw pretty nice boolits. I think it's just over 200gr.

wildphilhickup
February 2, 2011, 09:49 PM
I use a 225 grain and a 255 grain Wadcutter style bullet, sized 0.452". Yes, a true wadcutter. I took a S&W 29-3 pulled the barrel and replaced it with a 0.451" bore, barrel, stainless steel. I pulled the cylinder and bored it out to "tight" 45 Colt dimensions. Shot PPC with it for years. The 38 Special guys were really surprised by its accuracy.

spacecoast
April 2, 2012, 06:54 AM
Here's a pic of the rounds I recently put together using Penn's 225 grain full wadcutter. Shoots great from my 625-3 using 3.0 grains of Titegroup.

http://i891.photobucket.com/albums/ac115/spacecoast_guns/reloading/DSC02109.jpg

FrankenMauser
April 2, 2012, 01:32 PM
D.Nix, don't worry.

I'm a wadcutter fan, too ... regardless of the cartridge. There's just something about that massive meplat and a cylindrical projectile, that appeals to me. ;)

For my .44 Mag, I've been considering an NOE (http://www.noebulletmolds.com/Mcatalog/CatalogPages.html) Tri-Weight wadcutter (http://www.noebulletmolds.com/Mcatalog/FSImages/STOCK%20DRAWING%20page%207.jpg) mold (also available in .38 and .45 calibers, and pointed versions). However, NOE's current lead time is about 14-16 months. So, if he doesn't have what you want in-stock, you'll have to wait a while. And, right now, he doesn't have any of the tri-weight molds in stock, in any configuration or caliber. :(

So, I think I'll end up picking a few weights of wadcutters from Tom's catalog (AccurateMolds.com (http://www.accuratemolds.com/)), and have him cut me a 2, 3, or 4 cavity mold. (If you also chose to go this route, you could even have a cavity for a .44 and a .45 WC in the same mold.)


Some other options are NEI (http://www.neihandtools.com/), Ballisti-Cast (http://www.ballisti-cast.com/Bullet%20Designs%20Page%205.htm), LBT (http://lbtmoulds.com/moulds.shtml), and Mountain Molds (http://www.mountainmolds.com/) (design exactly what you want).

wylie3k
July 19, 2012, 02:50 PM
Anyone have a load for 44 mag 200 gr WC? I've got some coming today and just can't seem to find any data on this one. I have 2400, Blue Dot, W231, Unique, Bullseye and Trail Boss. Thanks, Any help is appreciated.

artsmom
July 19, 2012, 03:41 PM
Accurate Molds are top quality. Tom usually beats his advertised lead time and gets the mold to the customer quickly.

Edward429451
July 19, 2012, 03:48 PM
200 gr WC?

Try 10.0 gr of Unique, or 9.0 gr of WW-231 for a start load in 44 Mag.

wylie3k
July 19, 2012, 05:46 PM
yes it's a 200 gr DEWC not a SWC.

Sport45
July 19, 2012, 10:01 PM
Make your own BTWC by loading a flat base SWC backwards. I think I read about someone trying this years ago and they had good results. The lost case volume meant lower charges and velocity, but they weren't concerned about that since they were only shooting paper.

But then again my recollection is fuzzy sometimes...

GP100man
July 19, 2012, 10:35 PM
http://noebulletmolds.com/orders/catalog/index.php?cPath=37&osCsid=c830pnpl7kb1h8mqbgn4hs3m85

Give this a looky seeyee !!!!

GP;)