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suzukibruce
May 14, 2010, 01:09 AM
first i want to say hi and i'm new to this forum. i just purchased my 2nd 1858 remmy here is the link... http://www.auctionarms.com/Closed/DisplayItem.cfm?ItemNum=9723774.0

what i am wondering is i'm thinking of getting the r&d conversion for it and have 2 questions. 1, who imported the lyman? i was told it may have been uberti but he wasnt sure. 2, this is a matter of opinion, do i go with .45LC or .45ACP? which is more potent? this is going to be a carry gun for when i go fising hunting hiking etc... thanx for the help!

madcratebuilder
May 14, 2010, 07:10 AM
Welcome to the asylum. Lyman was the importer and your revolver may have the manufacturers marks under the loading lever. Looks like a Pietta to me but it's hard to tell with out a close inspection. There is a difference in cylinder length between Pietta and Uberti. When you get the revolver it can be determined what you have.

.45lc well have more energy than .45acp but your are limited to what you can shoot in conversion cylinders, normally cowboy loads. You need to follow the cylinder manufacturers recommendations.

RemTim
May 14, 2010, 09:51 AM
It was made by Uberti in 1971 (xxx7). I have two just like it. I prefer old guns, they made them better back then. Both of mine are nick free as the metal is extremely hard. The black one made in 1971 (xx7). The natural metal one is a work in progress...I.'m refinishing it..eventually. It was made in 1972 (xx8).
http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af164/RemTim/IMG_0121-1.jpg
I was eying the one you bought for the past few days; never bid due to lack of funds. I wanted it pretty bad. These guns are very high quality; they don't make em like they use to. You'll love it!!

Uberti made the Remingtons Lyman imported. I believe Armi San Paolo manufactured the Lyman Colts.

...and welcome to the forum. If you aren't happy with your purchase, let me know (seriously). I am not always broke and I would love to have more of these guns.

suzukibruce
May 14, 2010, 02:15 PM
thanks, i had a 12" bison before but sold it like a dummy... i wasnt a big fan of the brass frame but fired it alot before i took it to the range and the range master was watching me load it and freaked out when he saw me filling the cylinders to the top and then pressing the wad and ball in. he came over and showed me the safe way to load one and i loved shooting it. i had a buddy offer me more than i paid for it to sell it and did. but i'll always remember how impressive the recoil off that big beast was with 50 grains of powder...:eek:

4V50 Gary
May 14, 2010, 07:55 PM
Borrow or buy a Lyman Black Powder Manual. It'll tell you safe loads for whatever gun you shoot. BTW, the only gun you can regularly overload with black powder is the Ruger Old Army. They engineered it for dummies (like me) who tend to stuff 'em to the brim. Thanks to Ruger engineers, I still have both hands and both eyes. :o

CajunPowder
May 14, 2010, 10:59 PM
I'm beginning to think that when the original creator of the Uberti company, "Grandpa A. Uberti" was alive, there were some really nice 1858 New Army pieces coming out of his factory.

suzukibruce
May 15, 2010, 05:52 AM
ok so how collectible are these? i now know mine is 3 years older than me...lol... i'm thinking some custom work, engraving, sites, shortened barrel, magnaport, differant/refinish grips, maybe duracoat, and definatly conversion cylinder just havent decided on 45colt or acp... what have you guys done custom to these and will it deminish the value of the piece or not?59795

Hawg
May 15, 2010, 06:50 AM
Not much collector value. Value will be increased by the work done on it but IMHO will never be worth what you put into it.
BTW you cant overload any steel framed bp revolver with bp. They simply won't hold enough.

RemTim
May 15, 2010, 09:02 AM
BTW you cant overload any steel framed bp revolver with bp.
Hawg, I have read this quote in a couple of your posts. I have a couple of these old Uberti made Lyman Remingtons and I would like to retire my powder measure. Does loading the chamber full of powder do any damage to the revolver? Being a Remmie made of really hard steel, I would think not but don't want to damage my guns.

I use my Remmies for protection, so appearance and new gun status mean little to me. Quality is of the most importance so I want the most quality for the buck and I don't have time or patience to play games with Cabellas and the like.(or am I willing to fork out extra money for shipping their sloppily made products back to them)

The Lyman Remmies don't hold a lot of value; they are sleepers when it comes to value for the money though. They are definitely a step up from the Remmies I have handled in the past.
I started to order a new Uberti imported by Taylor Arms from a local shop for an outstanding price of $290 (tax included). I bought two Uberti made Lymans (with no issues) with holsters for just a few more bucks ($162 and $175). Taking the current Uberti quality issues into consideration, I am pretty sure of myself when I say I made the right choice. I don't want a shadow of the legendary Uberti quality, I want the best I can afford......or so is my humble and somewhat inexperienced opinion.

suzukibruce
May 15, 2010, 09:33 PM
remtim, i'll tell you this, my traditions bison took a full cylinder, about 50 grains i think, with a brass frame with no problem, i put probably 50 rounds through it like that before i was told "no more than 35 grains" i don't see companies these days making a firearm that isnt idiot proof. jus think of the lawsuits alone not to mention bad press... has anyone heard of a remmy blowing up from black powder? i only hear about smokeless explosions...

suzukibruce
May 15, 2010, 09:37 PM
check out this site i found!!!

http://www.scorrs.org/photos.htm

mykeal
May 15, 2010, 10:27 PM
RemTim - Hawg is correct. You can literally load a black powder steel frame revolver full in every chamber and fire it without damage. It is not physically possible to overload one with black powder (no smokeless, of course).

However, given your parameters and requirements I'm puzzled as to why you don't get the Ruger Old Army. It excels in every area you mention as being of overriding importance.

Finally, you don't mention accuracy as a concern. Please be aware that fully loading a black powder revolver is never the most accurate load. All shoot more accurately with a more moderate load. Personally I would place accuracy much higher in importance than sheer power; if power is necessary get a centerfire cartridge gun.

suzukibruce - the issue is not exploding the cylinder; that's not going to happen with a black powder revolver loaded with black powder, even crammed full with every grain possible. The issue is battering the frame loose over time when repeatedly subjected to such maximum loads.

suzukibruce
May 15, 2010, 10:36 PM
well for one thing i love the remmys, miss my bison and wish i never sold it, second is cost, i got the lyman for 161 plus 20 shipping, 3rd is i wanted something not too expensive for my own custom work which btw i have never done before so to me posibly ruining a colt would be a travesty in its own not like ruining a lyman isnt its just i want to cut down the barrel, crown it reblue or nickle plate maybe even dura coat i really havent made up my mind, i realy would like to do nickle with pearl grips short nicely crowned barrel say take the barrel down to the lever latch but is the site post threaded or brazed? see i don't know until this thing arrives then i'll really get into it!

RemTim
May 15, 2010, 10:42 PM
Suzuki Bruce, I figured if a brass frame could stand 50 grains or so, my steel framed Lymans would have no problems. I love my guns and I worry about long term damage to them.
I'm going to have to try it. You had no problems and HawgHaggen says its okay to fill the chambers; that's good enough for me.
I thought about cutting the barrels on mine, but couldn't bring myself to do it. I like the long barrels, they make the gun appear a tad more intinmidating. I wanted a Remmie with a 12" barrel, but I couldn't find one that had a steel frame instead of brass and I couldn't afford a stainless version. I had a brass Remmie in the early 1980's, Even though I had no problems with it, I prefer a steel frame and will not be getting another brass one (unless it is dirt cheap, then I would resell it or trade it. My understanding is they are not historically correct (not that that matters that much to me).
Your plans for your Lyman sound interesting. I don't see how you would be ruining the gun by customizing it to your taste.

suzukibruce
May 15, 2010, 11:01 PM
yeah ive been hoping for one too, i carried my brass one for a bit but it was too bulky and banged into everything... i really want the 5" barrel cabelas has but with all the negative reviews i have been hearing about their pistols i think i'll work with what i got, i'm thinking stainless duracoat... hey is the front site screwed it or brazed on your 1971?

RemTim
May 15, 2010, 11:12 PM
As for the front sight, it looks like it may be screwed in, but I'm not sure.
I had thought about Cabellas. I placed an order for the 5 1/2 barrel version but canceled before it was shipped. I was scared to take a chance.
According to the guys here, the new Ubertis have thier share of problems. I think CajunPowder was right when he said, I'm beginning to think that when the original creator of the Uberti company, "Grandpa A. Uberti" was alive, there were some really nice 1858 New Army pieces coming out of his factory.
You would think the quality would be excellent since the company was aquired by Beretta.

RemTim
May 15, 2010, 11:36 PM
These are simple guns. I can not understand why i the Italian manufacturers can not produce guns of perfect quality every time.

mykeal
May 16, 2010, 06:34 AM
A question that's been asked many, many times. The answer is just as simple as the guns themselves (which, of course, are not an Italian design at all) - money.

There is at least American company that does make virtually flawless revolvers: USFA. If that's what you want, it's easy to get. Just pay the money.

And if you're sure that such quality doesn't need to cost that much, the field is wide open to anyone who wants to show the world how it's done. Many have tried, none have succeeded.

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 10:57 AM
Mykeal,
Thanks for the confirmation of full chambers are safe to shoot. It is best to be sure; I have read many articles in which the author implied that it was a dangerous practice.
BTW, I like the old Uberti Remmies and do not desire a ROA as they do not have the safety notches between the nipples. I realize that Ruger is a higher quality and if they had this feature I would probably would like to have one.
I don't mean to come on strong by what I am about to say and I definitely mean no disrespect:I realize you have considerably more experience than me.
Apparently you feel my standards are too high. My expectations are met and exceeded by my choice of guns. I know these companies still produce quality, just not consistently. And no, I do not expect absolute perfection.

I know I said "perfect quality every time"- a bad choice of words. Decent would have been a better choice.
I respectfully disagree with your defense of poor quality control. In the beginning, Uberti had very good consistent quality or should I say much better than today. To add insult to injury, try contacting Uberti or Pietta about the poor quality they turn out; they will turn a deaf ear to the customer and give an unapologetic response.
Apparently you accept and defend their poor workmanship; I don't. Yes, cost is a factor in quality. I still believe that good consistent quality is important in business; I guess I'm old fashioned and do not accept the downward spiral in quality that you defend .I give poor quality the well deserved one finger salute. Or so is my humble yet opinion. $350, even $200 is a lot of money to spend to play Russian Roulette with quality. Judging from the reports of bad experiences with these manufacturers on this forum and elsewhere on the INTERNET I am not alone in feeling the way I do, my friend.

arcticap
May 16, 2010, 01:18 PM
Judging what used C&B guns can cost for sometimes inferior quality, the new production guns are much better made with regard to higher quality standards of materials, workmanship and tolerances overall.
The new machinery and higher quality and satisfaction of the Pietta guns is a testament to that. If we look at the Euroarms guns of today verses the ASM guns of yesteryear, the Euroarms guns would win hands down.
Any company, even ASM or ASP was capable of making the best and the worst guns. Sometimes buying the older guns is Russian roulette when it comes to the interchangablility of parts and when it comes down to finally shooting them and their reliability and accuracy.
Sure $200 is a lot of money. But an American made conversion cylinder alone costs $250 - $300. Why does a conversion cylinder cost more than the new gun does? Because the Italians are producing much higher volumes with very little mark up in the end. By comparison the cost of a Pietta cap & ball replacement cylinder is only about $40 - $50 and they all seem to fit perfectly, while a Uberti cylinder will cost about twice as much.

A majority of today's revolver defects are pretty minor and cosmetic. The problem is that Italian manufacturers just can't afford to provide the customer service to fix the defects for each and every customer. So they sell them at much lower cost.
For $200 including everyone's mark up and transportation from Italy, it's amazing that it can be done at all, and the level of quality is still very good overall. The difference is that today's market is a high volume operation with not as much hand fitting of parts because of the better and more modern production methods. Way, way more guns are being made today, so the number of defects is more noticed. Yet the discount prices today are actually relatively low.

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 03:36 PM
Point well taken, Articap (and Mykeal).
My biggest fear of the new productions came fron reading IInternet forum threads in which buyers were complaining about Piettas with crooked barrels. Some buyers complained about paying return shipping only to have another Pietta shipped them which had same issue of misaligned barrels.
As a general rule, evidence does support the theory that an older Uberti gun is higher quality than a new production since the metal is softer in today's Uberti
Cosmetic issues are pretty much non issues of you use your guns. Gun bueaty takes a backseat to practicality for me personally. I carry my guns and use them. Purty is nice but the issue with me is whether thre gun is going to shoot every time I pull the trigger. Springs break, but cheap ones break more often. That's why I carry two, just in case one fails when my or my families lives are on the line.
I don't have a gun collection. I have my defense guns. I choose black powder because it is cheaper to shoot than modern firearms. As long as my guns fire when I pull the trigger I'm happy with black powder. I take the extra precaution of using clear fingernail polish to seal the caps so the humidity doesn't harm the powder and so far so good.
You are right; buying a used gun can be win or lose also.
I guess my quality quirks come from the gun my experience with the third Remmie that I don't claim but still own. It is an ASM made in 1994. The gun is well made, but the quality and the feel of it compared to my Lymans is..well, I hate to say for chance of insult to someone who favors an ASM..poorly balanced and cheap. It is like handling a toy in comparison to a real gun. Being rather new to this game, I don't want to make another unsatisfactory purchase. Most of the Remmies I had handled in the past were of the same or slightly better than my ASM.
Money is tight for me, I try to make the best of my purchases. I realize that I did not take all the facts into consideration when articulating my posts. You all seem to be a great bunch of guys with far more knowledge than I possess. I am sorry if i rubbed anybody the wrong way while attempting to explain (poorly) my position.
Regards,
Tim

Hawg
May 16, 2010, 05:08 PM
Apparently you accept and defend their poor workmanship; I don't. Yes, cost is a factor in quality. I still believe that good consistent quality is important in business; I guess I'm old fashioned and do not accept the downward spiral in quality that you defend

I think that you hear more about the bad ones than the good ones. I've had several Pietta's from Cabela's and all were good quality with no mechanical or cosmetic problems. If you want to compare quality versus cost price a Pietta against a USFA. Yeah the USFA is going to be better quality but is the difference in quality worth the price? Not to me. Besides everybody makes a lemon that slips thru now and then. Colt does it, so does S&W, Glock and everybody else. But for the money you spend you can't beat a Pietta.

mykeal
May 16, 2010, 05:55 PM
the metal is softer in today's Uberti
I've seen no evidence to support that. I have seen the occasional anonymous internet claim, which is a long, long way from evidence.

My personal experience with Uberti, starting with a 1972 Colt Pocket Police and most recently with a 2007 Walker, leads me to the opposite conclusion.

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 06:26 PM
My personal experience with Uberti, starting with a 1972 Colt Pocket Police and most recently with a 2007 Walker, leads me to the opposite conclusion.

Mykeal, You have more experience to base your conclusion on. I had made a comparison to later Ubertis. However, as you pointed out to me here:
First of all, be very careful about generalizing about an entire population of revolvers based on one or two samples. You have examples, not proof, of 'better metal' used during a certain time frame by a given manufacturer. Someone else may have examples of poor metal used by that same manufacturer in that same time frame. One thing we can be sure of is that quality is an elusive goal and man-made objects can and will vary considerably in quality from day to day!

I would place more emphasis on your research than your two examples. And that's without knowing the source of any of that research. If it's simply anecdotes about what one person found on one gun, there's not much credibility there UNLESS there's lots of people making the same claim, such as was the case in the late 80's and early 90's about the small action parts on some of the Italian replicas.

Second, my earlier post (being quoted here) is perhaps slightly misunderstood. NOBODY makes every part used on the guns that bear their trademark. NOBODY. Period. ALL gun manufacturers use subcontractors to make forgings, castings, springs, grips, etc., or to do machine work, finishing work and even in some cases final assembly work. To say that a Uberti marked gun might contain parts made by someone else is simply stating the obvious. I'll guarantee you that every Uberti marked gun has at least some parts made either partially or completely by someone other than Uberti, and they may not even be under contract to Uberti when they made the part. That's simply standard practice by any and all mass market product manufacturers.
on the following thread: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406466 II have no basis to make that assumption. I am extremely glad to find out I am wrong on that assumption; that opens a wider range of goodies to choose from. I want a big granddaddy Walker next. Thanks

suzukibruce
May 16, 2010, 06:32 PM
wow... alot of info on this forum... well putting in my 2 cents is this, i drive a 1980 bronco, ride an 82 suzuki gs and a 78 nautiline houseboat, and also have a 2004 silverado, a 98 sea ray and a 02 vulcan. the chevy the sea ray and the vulcan have had more issues with them then all of my older vehicals combined... also i have an sks, a mossberg 500, and an iver johnson hammerless .32. i like the older stuff because in my opinion "they just don't make 'em like they used to" is a fact. let's take my bronco and silverado head to head in a collision, dollars to doughnuts i'll be driving the bronco home... and i have had the same type of experiance with firearms, give me an original SAA colt vrs a Vaquero any day, the fact is this, older firearms had more people putting their hands on them then the newer ones, back in the day it wasnt about the bottom line it was about making a quality product that people would advertise for you by word of mouth. today it's "how much advertising will get us the most sales?" and if 10% of the guns need to be returned for some "hands on repair" then that fits in with the profit margin, they can afford that when they are selling 10 million guns a year vrs 10 thousand. so they have these cookie cutter guns that more machines touch than people and ship them out and if a few have to be returned then they hire a gunsmith to fix the issue or like they do now just send out a new gun altogether, problem fixed. now they get alot of "well i had this problem but they took care of it" reviews instead of a few "wow what a great piece, i will recomment it"

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 06:43 PM
Well said, Suzuki Bruce
BTW, I'm anxious to hear how you like your gun when it arrives.

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 07:50 PM
Hawg, I'm glad you have had good service from Pietta. Cabellas has good pricing. I was eyeing a couple of nice pieces; the 5 1/2 inch '58 and the New Army 58, but the internet rant about crooked barrels and soft metal internals scared me off.I've seen a lot of nice looking Piettas offered used and new. For the money, Pietta is a good buy, that is certain.
Perhaps there is no definite answer to the age old question, " Is Uberti worth the extra money over Pietta?" There are strong arguments on both sides. I think the only thing that matters is that the buyer is happy with his (or her) choice.

SirBustaCap
May 16, 2010, 08:37 PM
RemTim; That black '71 - I had one just like it and sold it.I regret it.
SuzukiBruce, you made an excellent choice that I doubt you will regret.It is an Uberti, by the way.

Hawg
May 16, 2010, 09:04 PM
RemTim that blued 58 in the pic was made in 2000 and has been ticking along ever since. Up until it got stolen anyway.

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 09:33 PM
Hawg, that is a nice piece. Do you have any idea who took it?

suzukibruce
May 16, 2010, 09:43 PM
if it ever shows up... the shop i got it from wanted a copy of my drivers lic. to show i'm 21 (i'm 35) and the address, well i moved a few weeks ago 800 miles away and havent changed my licence over yet. so i sent a pic of my debit card, d.l., soc sec card and an invoice from someting i had shipped here... havent heard anything back from her so i hope its all good. if need be she can ship it to the old address and i'll have my new tennant ship it to me... i got the pistol, original box, owners manual and the triple K holster for $161 + $20 shipping... she ain't backing out on that sweet deal!

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 09:47 PM
SirBustaCap, Thank you. It was a Valentine's Day present from my wife. That's just one of the reasons that I'll have it til the day I die unless it gets stolen, then I'd have to take the other one and hunt it down if I knew who had it.

suzukibruce
May 16, 2010, 09:56 PM
yup remtim and remember back powder is not a regulated firearm so most gun laws do not apply... the other reason i like black powder... this is something i posted on another forum

the problem is i live in a carry state noone carries in, we get alot of "outta staters" and they get squeemish when they see a gun, my girlfriend carries a m&p .40 and i carry a .32 iver johnson and i get less funny looks than she does. but i can't be walking around with some girlie mouse gun and my girlfriend has a .40 caliber hand cannon... she always teases me "if i have to, i'll put down what that (pointing at my little gun) wont" so i have been looking at saa style colts but for the "size of hole vrs. cash spent" the remmy is the ticket... and black powder will be the last thing they ever ban... but i do love my antique I.J.'s

http:i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/suzukibruce/024.jpg[/IMG]

suzukibruce
May 16, 2010, 09:57 PM
ok how do i post pics?

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 10:03 PM
sign up for a free account at photobucket.com, upload to their server then click add image to add it to your post

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 10:11 PM
SuzukiBruce, I'm sure you are aware of the ffl requirement for conversion cylinders then there is the increased cost of ammo. If you alternate back and forth between c&p cylinderrs and conversion cylinders, you may have timing issues, or so I read- not sure of that.
yeah I love black powder, I love my rRemmies, but there is a 1847 Walker out there that will be part of my black powder arsenal soon.

suzukibruce
May 16, 2010, 10:14 PM
yeah i know once you put a conversion cylinder into it the rules change... still cant figure this pic post thing...
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/suzukibruce/024.jpg

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/suzukibruce/024.jpg

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 10:22 PM
Bruce, that a neat little gun; I bet you are attached to it.

mykeal
May 16, 2010, 10:46 PM
let's take my bronco and silverado head to head in a collision, dollars to doughnuts i'll be driving the bronco home

NHTSA and the Traffic Safety Institute have disproven that myth with empirical evidence many, many times over.

RemTim
May 16, 2010, 11:24 PM
Mykeal, Is that data a cross the board comparison between older and newer vehicles or just SUVs. I can't help but wonder if for instance a 1972 Monte Carlo were to hit a 2002 Monte Carlo head on,. I would think the 72 model would have considerably less damage. What do you think?

Hawg
May 17, 2010, 12:15 AM
Hawg, that is a nice piece. Do you have any idea who took it?

Yeah, my ex son in law. He took that one, the 60 Colt in the same set of pics and 13 other pistols.

suzukibruce
May 17, 2010, 04:06 AM
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/suzukibruce/3220029944.jpg


Thats a warn winch bumper rated at 25000 lps constant pulling and 50000 lbs snapping bolted to a frame made before "crumple zones" see the top? thats so you can stand on it and that is diamond plate steel you'll be standing on..so yes i do think that in a head on collision the bronco would fair WAY better...

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/suzukibruce/861513139.jpg

now the front of this is a rubber bumper with an ALUMINIUM reinforcement behind it with "bumper shocks" and crumple zones in the frame. also it sits lower than the bronco which has no lift so the chevy would more than likely take it in the grill which btw is plastic and reinforced with the radiator support, also plastic. now if you look, see that dent in the fender? i bumped my mailbox at less than 5 miles and hour and did $1297.43 damage to the truck.... also if you look real closely you'll se a ripple in the bed side right at the tire, thats from leaning againt it putting the old rims and tires in the back...

bronco weight approx 7900 lbs, silverado 4500 with me in it... i had it weighed at a scrap yard after towing an s-10 in for scrap...

so if you still believe the ntsb, i'll make a bet with you. i'll drive the bronco and you drive my chevy, we will have a head on collision at 30 (a combined speed of 60mph) mph and if i am wrong i'll give you both trucks... but i do believe we would have to get the engine block out of your lap first...

mykeal
May 17, 2010, 04:35 AM
Way off topic.

suzukibruce
May 17, 2010, 04:37 AM
yup, but you brought it up, besides i started this thread...lol...

and remtim yes i do love my little .32, but i have always believed anything worth putting a hole in is worth putting a BIG hole in...

mykeal
May 17, 2010, 04:43 AM
Actually, you brought it up with the claim about crash survivability. I answered it, which I shouldn't have. And now I'm correcting that. Yes, it's your thread. You may continue to post whatever you'd like. Please excuse me if I don't wish to perpetuate my error.

suzukibruce
May 17, 2010, 04:53 AM
actually i said nothing about the passengers or driver just the vehicle, i really never worried much about me in a crash, i'll heal the truck won't. and i hate that peice of crap chevy it hasn't ran right since i hit the mailbox with it... and i'm a big chevy fan. i got the beast, i mean bronco for my ex... and i was trying to be funny, not ruffle feathers. i'm new here and not trying to make enemies off the bat... sorry if i offended you in any way it was not my intent.

Hardcase
May 17, 2010, 09:09 AM
Heheh, you're gonna have to work harder than that to make enemies here :D

Something along the lines of, "I heard that Hawg Haggen just loooooves Ruger Old Armies." Something like that!

RemTim
May 17, 2010, 09:49 AM
SuzukiBruce, I unintentionally ruffled a few feathers on too. I'm going to work on how to present my opinion as an opinion and not a fact, so I don't offend anyone who has a different point of view. I am here to learn and share what I learn if I think it may help someone out. My presentation and articulation of facts and opinions needs work and if I offended anyone, let me have it so we can move past it and be friends.

I checked out USFA, the pricing is outrageous. I agree that the modestly priced not so perfect Italian reproductions (old or new) are exceptional in value. I can see where my expectations were way too high for the money spent. As always the old saying "You get what you pay for" is all so true.

Something along the lines of, "I heard that Hawg Haggen just loooooves Ruger Old Armies." Something like that!
Hardcase, since you mentioned it, I think I read a couple of Hawg Haggen's posts where he was saying something like that.

Hawg
May 17, 2010, 12:03 PM
Heheh, you're gonna have to work harder than that to make enemies here

Something along the lines of, "I heard that Hawg Haggen just loooooves Ruger Old Armies." Something like that!


Hmmmmmm

Hardcase, since you mentioned it, I think I read a couple of Hawg Haggen's posts where he was saying something like that.

:p


Actually I'll be the first to say they're good quality guns, very well made and reliable. They just don't resemble anything that was used back in the day so they're not my cup o tea. Gotta try harder than that to make enemies. :D

suzukibruce
May 17, 2010, 01:02 PM
guess what....

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t326/suzukibruce/P5170088.jpg

WOOT!WOOT! super fast shipping too!

RemTim
May 17, 2010, 01:08 PM
Hawg, I hate to imagine my shooters walking off like that, much less 14 pistols. I am sorry for your loss. I hope your scumbag ex son in law gets what he deserves. A man's guns will always hold a special place in his heart. Your guns are like your friends and family, there's a special bond there.... I don't mean to get mushy. that's just messed up. I can't say what I mean here, due to polite company.:(

suzukibruce
May 17, 2010, 01:08 PM
i still dont get the wear on the cylinder though, the #'s on the gun match the cylinder so it's the original, and there isnt enough holster wear on the rest of the gun to explain it that way either... and i dont think its ever been fired, i took it completely appart and found zero rust and no powder residue anywhere either, not even in the chambers or nipples or in the hole in the middle where the rod goes... wierd....

RemTim
May 17, 2010, 01:14 PM
SB, I'm glad you got your Lyman. If my financial timing wouldn't have been off, that purdy baby may have been in my arms.:D

suzukibruce
May 17, 2010, 01:21 PM
remtim you got your post up before i finished my last...lol.. Hawg Haggen i feel for you about the loss, my grandfather was a belly gunner on a b17 in the 8th AF 390th bomber group rectangle "J" was his squadron. he was shot down over germany and he and the nivigator were the only survivors. as they were coming through the forrest they went down in they came across a nazi soldier on a machine gun in a nest. they drop to the ground and circle this guy, my grandfather gets to him first and cuts the guys throat from behind. he rolls him over i the guy was already dead and filled with holes. anyway the navigator takes the (mg34?) machine gun and my grandfather takes an artillery luger off the guy. well they comandeer a kubelwagon and head for allied territory, at some point they run over a land mine with this jeep and flip it. well to make a long story short he ships the gun to my grandmother. he then eventually passed it on to me and not my father (he's a left wing anti gun fruitloop) when i turned 21. well i had a roomate and when he moved out he helped himself to it. md state police recovered it but since i had no proof of the serial # or ownership they kept it. it's probably either 1, a box of paperclips now or 2, sitting in some captains gun cabinet... well Merle, my ex roomate, has a left eye that will always water (the joke is i made him cry, FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE...lol..) and i have a right hand that always bothers me when its cold out....

RemTim
May 17, 2010, 01:29 PM
SB, Hawg Haggen was the one with the loss. I lost a single shot shotgun when our house was broken into. No sentimental value there, never had an attachment to it. Merle sounds like a real work of art also, I'm glad you had the opportunity to get a little vengeance.
My gun heartbreaks in the past were from selling them when I should have kept them; we all know that feeling I am sure. Of course my heart is breaking when you are fondling that purdy '71 Lyman that should have been mine.:D Seriously, I hope you enjoy your Lyman.
There was a Lyman went thru GunBroker a few days ago (but after your auction ended), someone used the buy it now before the auction ended. It was made in 1960, the year I was born. It would have needed refinishing as it had some surface rust on one side of the frame barrel and cylinder; nothing big. I had planned on buying it. There will be more. I feel pretty safe buying these old Lyman Remmies sight unseen, the quality seems to be consistent.

Hawg
May 18, 2010, 12:10 AM
Thanks guys. The bad part is about half of them I inherited when my dad died.
Good news is he's in jail on meth lab charges and this is his third strike so he's looking at 20 years.

suzukibruce
May 18, 2010, 12:36 AM
good, thats right where he belongs.

RemTim
May 18, 2010, 01:32 AM
Good news is he's in jail on meth lab charges and this is his third strike so he's looking at 20 years.
I hope he is somebody's bitch!

SB, How do you like you Lyman? Are you satisfied with the quality?

suzukibruce
May 18, 2010, 01:55 AM
she hasnt left my side since i got her... when i got home today i took a nap and when my girlfriend came home it was sitting at the door. she comes in and starts this 20 questions game with me and i never even thought it would be here so soon...lol... but i love it! been practicing draws since it showed up, i got this thing i am quite fond of doing with my ivers, i don't know the technical term for the type of draw but as i draw it from the holster i move my hand foward so the gun spins and as it comes around i can cock the hammer... i'm real good with it using my ivers but this beast is a bit less agile and the spring is hard...lol... but all in all i love it... no i'm not selling her but if i happen to die i'll make sure she goes to you, ok?

RemTim
May 18, 2010, 02:05 AM
. no i'm not selling her but if i happen to die i'll make sure she goes to you, ok?
I didn't think you even consider selling it once you handled it. I was ribbing you earlier. Of course I would buy it it a heartbeat....:cool: