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andrewstorm
April 28, 2010, 12:25 AM
A man I know has a 1858 rem 44,target model looks new except on the stop side of the cylinder indentations it looks as though its mared from bad timing,theres no line from the cylinder stop,just wonder if this is a sign of bad timing or bad cylinder alignment it seems the cylinder wont drop out of the frame,like my previous remmie,it must be turned and wiggeled,its very tight.might another cylinder fit different, unfired is it worth $175.00 ?:cool:

zippy13
April 28, 2010, 01:34 AM
See Tuning the Pietta Cap & Ball for Competition, Part 1: Diagnosing the Problem Areas. Although not specifically for the Remington 1858, it has descriptions, with pics, of the common problems. Hopefully, the tight cylinder is due to the target model's better fit. :rolleyes:

http://www.theopenrange.net/articles/Tuning_the_Pietta_Part_One.pdf
http://www.theopenrange.net/articles/Tuning_the_Pietta_Part_Two.pdf

madcratebuilder
April 28, 2010, 07:03 AM
The "target model" should have the same fit as a fixed sight model. The only difference is the adjustable sights on the target model, AFAIK.

The peening of the cylinder notches is from the timing of the bolt raising to the cylinder. On my target Pietta the bolt slowly raises into the notch. It does not snap up like a Colt well. Three of the four 1858's I have do this slow raise into the notch. Maybe reduce the bolt spring pressure?

Price? I bought mine on sale two years ago for just under $200.

Turning the cylinder as you remove it is normal on all mine, same when you install the cylinder. You have to turn it to get it over the hand.

Hawg
April 28, 2010, 08:00 AM
If you pull the hammer back just far enough for it to clear then the hand and bolt both will be fully retracted and the cylinder will fall in or out from either side.

andrewstorm
April 28, 2010, 08:59 AM
Thanx for the info,another question since you guys have one of theese,whats the most grains of 777 I should use,Ive heard some say 35 gr777 was there hunting load.:cool:

Hawg
April 28, 2010, 09:33 AM
28 grs. of 777 equals 35 grs. of bp which is a pretty heavy load. 35 would equal 42 of bp. I have used 40 with no ill results.

andrewstorm
April 28, 2010, 10:30 PM
Thats a hellova load ,thats what i shoot in my r o a with a 190 gr buffalo bullet, u think i could fit this load in the 1858 target?:cool:

Hawg
April 29, 2010, 05:31 AM
I actually used Pyrodex which compresses more than bp so I don't know if you can actually get 40 grs. of real bp in a 58 chamber under a ball. Pretty sure you can't do it with a conical.

madcratebuilder
April 29, 2010, 07:57 AM
Hawg's right, 40 grs of BP under a round ball in a 1858 is going to be a tight fit.

The T7 is fine for hunting loads, I would try different weights and use the most accurate and compromise some energy. I'm thinking somewhere around 30grs of T7 would be a good starting point. YMMV

andrewstorm
April 30, 2010, 11:13 PM
I used 30 grain pellets and they seemed anemic compared to 777.Ive shot 44 mags that kicked less than a cylinder full of 777 in a 1858.:eek:

ClemBert
May 1, 2010, 11:59 AM
28 grs. of 777 equals 35 grs. of bp which is a pretty heavy load. 35 would equal 42 of bp. I have used 40 with no ill results.

You mean 777 is about ~15% more powderful than 3Fg...right? ;)

28 grains 777 = ~33 grains 3Fg

35 grains 777 = ~41 grains 3Fg

In other words, reduce the 777 load by about 15%. (3Fg x 0.85 = 777)

herb
May 7, 2010, 03:58 PM
40 grs pyrodex behind ball in pietta target model works O.K. for me with a couple of hundred rounds with no ill effects BUT 40 grs 777 is too much pressure in pietta. Works fine in ROA, in fact 45 grs in ROA with ball is O.K. :)

andrewstorm
May 15, 2010, 01:49 AM
I use 40 gr 777 in a blue r o a buffalo bullet 190 gr 1150 fps & 500 lbs energy good for deer black bear coyote hogs squirrel cougar if necessary ones been spoted on the back 100 ac,swating a wild turkey,he was also observed stairing down a mounted 10 pointer ,thru sliding glass doors on the walkout basement,its a wild world:cool: