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Bud Helms
January 31, 2010, 09:31 AM
Here are some pics I took of an old single shot cartridge loader that belongs to an acquaintance of mine. I haven't a clue what it is, but I can just imagine it stuck in a Mississippi Gambler's vest pocket.

Any one know what this is?

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56582&stc=1&d=1264948112

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56583&stc=1&d=1264948112

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56584&stc=1&d=1264948112

Bud Helms
January 31, 2010, 09:37 AM
More pics ...

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56585&d=1264948365

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56586&d=1264948382

This next one is disappointing because it shows some important detail and I must have jumped a half inch when the shot came. If it will help ID the piece I can reshoot it.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=56587&stc=1&d=1264948328


It occurs to me that I did not look at the breechface to see if it was a centerfire or rimfire. Nor did I make any attempt to estimate the muzzle diameter. I will check those details unless someone is positive of an ID. I may try a pic of the breechface and reshoot the fuzzy one above while I'm at it.

Mike Irwin
January 31, 2010, 09:46 AM
I THINK it's a National Arms No. 1 or No. 2 derringer.

They generally are worth a pretty penny.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.gunsinternational.com/images/listings/100088545-1-s.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.gunsinternational.com/Derringer-Antique.cfm%3Fcat_id%3D99&usg=___jnE1to4j97KiafhfNXzFKz8fTk=&h=99&w=160&sz=3&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=wwmzBsjRdPvNJM:&tbnh=61&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnational%2Barms%2Bnumber%2Bone%2Bderringer%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Bud Helms
January 31, 2010, 09:52 AM
That looks like it, Mike.

Man, that was quick! ;)

RJay
January 31, 2010, 01:57 PM
And as a matter of trivia, Colt purchased National and the little derringer became Colts " Third Model Derringer ".

Chipperman
January 31, 2010, 05:39 PM
I dunno, Mike. Nine minutes for the answer. I think you're slipping. ;)

Can you get another pick with the action open? Looks pretty cool!

Harley Nolden
January 31, 2010, 05:48 PM
National Arms Co. Brooklyn New York 1865 1870

Former Moores Patent Firearms Co.

.41 r.f. caliber, single shot deringer

Mike Ewrin is correct

Mike Irwin
January 31, 2010, 06:25 PM
Who's Mike Ewrin?

:)

Harley Nolden
January 31, 2010, 06:45 PM
ooooooooooooopps!

Hit the wrong key. My apology Mike Irwin


Hr Harley

Bud Helms
February 1, 2010, 05:17 AM
Can you get another pick with the action open? Looks pretty cool!

Yeah, I'll try to get a good clear one of the action open and of the beech face. I'll stick a ruler up on the muzzle too.

James K
February 1, 2010, 02:33 PM
Actually, the National (Moore) Second Model derringer became the Colt Second Model; the Colt Third Model (Thuer) is a side turn type. That is a National, as the Colt frame was a little different as were the grips. The caliber is .41 Short rimfire.

I make a value WAG at around $1000 in that condition. Colts, needless to say, go for more.

Jim

cek
February 8, 2010, 03:19 AM
FWIW, here's it's cousin, an All Metal No. 1 or First Model Deringer:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379182

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3460/3986634944_a9c8f6b40c_b.jpg