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Bud Helms
January 31, 2010, 09:31 AM
Here are some pics I took of an old single shot cartridge loader that belongs to an acquaintance of mine. I haven't a clue what it is, but I can just imagine it stuck in a Mississippi Gambler's vest pocket.

Any one know what this is?




Bud Helms
January 31, 2010, 09:37 AM
More pics ...



This next one is disappointing because it shows some important detail and I must have jumped a half inch when the shot came. If it will help ID the piece I can reshoot it.


It occurs to me that I did not look at the breechface to see if it was a centerfire or rimfire. Nor did I make any attempt to estimate the muzzle diameter. I will check those details unless someone is positive of an ID. I may try a pic of the breechface and reshoot the fuzzy one above while I'm at it.

Mike Irwin
January 31, 2010, 09:46 AM
I THINK it's a National Arms No. 1 or No. 2 derringer.

They generally are worth a pretty penny.


Bud Helms
January 31, 2010, 09:52 AM
That looks like it, Mike.

Man, that was quick! ;)

January 31, 2010, 01:57 PM
And as a matter of trivia, Colt purchased National and the little derringer became Colts " Third Model Derringer ".

January 31, 2010, 05:39 PM
I dunno, Mike. Nine minutes for the answer. I think you're slipping. ;)

Can you get another pick with the action open? Looks pretty cool!

Harley Nolden
January 31, 2010, 05:48 PM
National Arms Co. Brooklyn New York 1865 1870

Former Moores Patent Firearms Co.

.41 r.f. caliber, single shot deringer

Mike Ewrin is correct

Mike Irwin
January 31, 2010, 06:25 PM
Who's Mike Ewrin?


Harley Nolden
January 31, 2010, 06:45 PM

Hit the wrong key. My apology Mike Irwin

Hr Harley

Bud Helms
February 1, 2010, 05:17 AM
Can you get another pick with the action open? Looks pretty cool!

Yeah, I'll try to get a good clear one of the action open and of the beech face. I'll stick a ruler up on the muzzle too.

James K
February 1, 2010, 02:33 PM
Actually, the National (Moore) Second Model derringer became the Colt Second Model; the Colt Third Model (Thuer) is a side turn type. That is a National, as the Colt frame was a little different as were the grips. The caliber is .41 Short rimfire.

I make a value WAG at around $1000 in that condition. Colts, needless to say, go for more.


February 8, 2010, 03:19 AM
FWIW, here's it's cousin, an All Metal No. 1 or First Model Deringer: