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Delmar
December 12, 2009, 10:14 AM
I talked to a guy last week who has a pietta 1858 with a "drop in" conversion cylinder and he told me he had to send it to a gunsmith to make the thing work like it should. Have any of you had a better experience? What brand conversion cylinder was it, and what adjustments did you have to make to make it function properly?

Fingers McGee
December 12, 2009, 11:46 AM
I had a pair of Pietta Remmies that I bought R&D cylinders for when they first came out. Both cylinders worked fine in both pistols without having to do anything to them.

Conversely, I know a shooting pard that bought an R&D for his Pietta Remmie that didn't. He ended up sending the pistol & cylinder in to have them matched so they'd work together.

Sometimes they work fine & sometimes not.

ClemBert
December 12, 2009, 11:57 AM
I wonder if the both the Uberti and Pietta cap-n-ball revolvers aren't as precisely made as a Ruger Old Army. I've read many posts that Uberti and Pietta revolver more often times than not require a little gunsmithing to get the Kirst or R&D (Howell) cylinders to fit. I've hardly heard the same of the Rugers but I'm sure there are a few. The point being I think I would expect the Uberti's and Pietta's to need a little help and would be surprised to find the conversion cylinders pop right in. Whereas, I would expect the opposite for Rugers. As one data point my Ruger accepted an R&D cylinder perfectly. But your mileage may vary.

Wobble
December 12, 2009, 06:20 PM
I bought an R&D for my Uberti 1858 and it popped right in, no problems. Works great. Actually, I did a lot of research before I bought. I found no reports of anything but a couple of minor fitting problems that were resolved easily by owners.

Model-P
December 12, 2009, 10:27 PM
I have an Uberti 1858 from 1978. Are Ubertis today the same? Could one of these R&Ds fit?

Riot Earp
December 13, 2009, 07:58 PM
Bought a Kirst for a Uberti .36 Rem. It didn't fit.

Bought a Kirst for a ROA. It fit perfectly.

Your mileage may vary.

long rider
December 13, 2009, 08:14 PM
Not all 58s are the same, even if they are made
by the same maker, i have two 58s by asm, and
the drop in conversion fits better in one than the
other.

poetgrey
December 14, 2009, 03:45 AM
Me too. Bought an 1858 last fall along with an R&D with no tuning. Have you read my broken hand post? It's all in the hand. Next project: convert my Uberti 1860 Army and put a gated Kirst in the Remington. I love the .45Colt cartridge, it is a forgiving round when reloading.

Delmar
December 14, 2009, 05:30 AM
I found an article about installing the Kirst Konverter. This talks about some of the smithing they had to do.
http://www.hobbygunsmith.com/Archives/June04/Feature.htm

Delmar
December 14, 2009, 05:32 AM
Not all 58s are the same, even if they are made
by the same maker, i have two 58s by asm, and
the drop in conversion fits better in one than the
other.Does the standard cylinder fit better in one than the other?

Huntzalittle
December 14, 2009, 09:20 AM
I bought a R&D Conversion cylinder last year for my Uberti 1858 and it dropped right in with no additional work :) I'm very happy with it and have been reloading the brass. Makes a nice addition to what I have.

noelf2
December 14, 2009, 10:35 PM
I have 2 pietta 1858 NMAs. One target model and one case hardened steel frame. R&D fit's perfect in both without any modifications.

flatheadsal
December 15, 2009, 11:42 AM
I have a pair of ASM 1858's, Taylor's inc suggested I send them in for free fitting because they are not Pietta or Uberti, the smith there did a superb job and I'm very satisfied, this was about 2 yrs ago, flathead
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh93/flatheadsal/febebay003.jpg

Delmar
December 15, 2009, 04:17 PM
I have a pair of ASM 1858's, Taylor's inc suggested I send them in for free fitting because they are not Pietta or Uberti, the smith there did a superb job and I'm very satisfied, this was about 2 yrs ago, flatheadSo if I buy the conversion cylinders from Taylor's inc, they will fit them free?

long rider
December 15, 2009, 05:25 PM
Delmar, yes to the QS the standard does fit
better in one than it does with the other,
one is a tad bit sloppy but they both shoot
good, but they shoot high with the 45 but
thats the norm with the58 cnversion cylinder.:D

long rider
December 15, 2009, 05:30 PM
delmar, if i was you iwould get the cylinder then i
would see if it fits first before you send it to taylors
some folks get lucky and some have to have them
fit to the gun, thats why i allways say they are not
ALL the SAME even if they are from one maker.:(

Delmar
December 15, 2009, 06:00 PM
delmar, if i was you iwould get the cylinder then i
would see if it fits first before you send it to taylors
some folks get lucky and some have to have them
fit to the gun, thats why i allways say they are not
ALL the SAME even if they are from one maker.my assumption was, if Taylor's was willing to fit it for free, I would have to buy the conversion cylinder from them, to get that deal. On the other hand, if I have to fit it myself, I'm looking for the best price.

flatheadsal
December 15, 2009, 06:52 PM
Delmar, I don't know if they are still fitting them, it was a couple yrs ago,but yes you'd have to buy them there, flathead

long rider
December 15, 2009, 07:55 PM
I dont mean to be a killjoy, but i have heard some
storys about taylors, how some folks have sent
there smokers to be worked on so the cylinder
will fit, and the nightmare begains, some say they
have kept the gun for months, no return phone
calls and so on, but thats what i have heard, i
got my conversion cylinder in old west gun shop
in phoenix and i had no probs with it.
its all down to trust, when you send your gun
to be worked on, unless you no the folks, mysellf
i woud not send them to anyone i did not know,
but thats me.:)

Delmar
December 15, 2009, 08:06 PM
I don't know any gunsmiths.

flatheadsal
December 15, 2009, 08:15 PM
I think if you buy a cyl for a Pietta, you have a very good chance of it fitting, I only sent mine because the smith at Taylors told me in stock condition they WOULD Not fit my ASM's, I spoke to the smith directly a few times before I felt confidant enough to send my pistols there, if I remember right it took about 3 weeks all told with shipping both ways. As I stated I don't know if they are even doing that anymore.

flatheadsal
December 15, 2009, 08:17 PM
longrider are you sure you didn't hear that about Kenny Howell who made the cylinders for Taylors? I read some horror stories about him, not Taylors

long rider
December 15, 2009, 08:20 PM
DELMAR, i did not post my replys to put you of
it was just my op, you do what it good for you
pard, but i am sure there are other gun shops
that stock drop ins and it does not take a lot
of know how to fit one yourself,i have tinkerd
with a few myself to make them fit, it was no
big deal. i have one for sale its a ubertie 45
its on the buy and sell forum, and it will fit a
asm. anyway good luck, shoot safe.:D

long rider
December 15, 2009, 08:25 PM
FLATHEADSAL, you know you could be right on
that one, that now rings a bell:eek:,
like i said to delmar it was not to rain on anyone
i hope it goes well for all.:)

ClemBert
December 15, 2009, 08:59 PM
Just to be clear up some possible confusion. Taylor's & Co. doesn't actually make anything. They are an importer, distributor, and retailer of firearms and firearm parts.

The two most popular and readily available conversion cylinders are made by Kirst Cartridge Konverter and the other one is Howell Old West Conversions (previously known as R&D Gun Shop). Taylor's and Co. is a retailer of conversion cylinders designed and made by primarily Howell Old West.

To my knowledge there is no such thing as a "Taylor's Conversion Cylinder".

p.s. The horror stories I read about on this and other forums concerned firearms sent to Howell Old West to be worked on not Taylor's.

Delmar
December 15, 2009, 09:05 PM
i have one for sale its a ubertie 45
its on the buy and sell forum, and it will fit a
asm. Pietta 38 is what I will be looking for, but I would be very interested in yours If I had a .44

flatheadsal
December 15, 2009, 09:17 PM
You're right Clembert, the cylinders I bought and were fit for me by Taylor's are R+D's from Howell,they are the distributer for R+D, I should have clarified that, flathead

long rider
December 15, 2009, 09:19 PM
YEAH ME TOOOOOOOOOOOO:rolleyes:

grymster2007
December 16, 2009, 01:08 PM
The R&D conversion cylinder for my '58 Remington needed the cylinder pin bore reamed slightly. After that, it has performed flawlessly. Not easy to build accessories for a product manufactured by another company and to not especially exacting tolerances, so some fit issues can be expected.