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lowracer
November 29, 2009, 01:27 PM
Exile Machine LLC is pleased to announce a new California Compliance Product, a featureless rifle stock adapter/grip that we call the Hammerhead (http://www.exilemachine.com/gallery.html). Remove all evil features, attach the Hammerhead in place of the pistol grip, slap on the buttstock of your choice and (optionally) a pistol buffer tube, and enjoy using your legally-owned large capacity magazines the way nature intended.

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6900.JPG

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6917.JPG

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6807.JPG

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6719.JPG

Approximate Weight: 400g. Approximate Dimensions (cm): 13L x 7H x 3.6W

This may or may not be legal in other states with restrictive Assault Weapons laws. Check local laws for details and consult an attorney if in doubt.

-Mark
Exile Machine LLC
www.exilemachine.com

Abel
November 29, 2009, 01:39 PM
Is this some kind of joke? Are you serious?

lowracer
November 29, 2009, 01:43 PM
It's for real. If you're in CA and you want to shoot your legally-owned 30-round mags through your AR-15, you have to remove the "evil" features. Pistol grip's one of 'em.

Otherwise you can have all the evil features you want but you'll be limited to a 10 round mag that's locked into the magwell with a device called a bullet button. You can't press this button with your finger, it won't drop the mag. You have to poke it with the tip of a bullet.

So for guys doing competition or just wanting to use their 30-rounders, this is a new way to go.

Abel
November 29, 2009, 02:37 PM
Wow. I'm very sure that I would either A.) Move to another state. or B.) Shoot a better looking rifle.

Ozzieman
November 29, 2009, 03:21 PM
One more GOOD reason to NOT live in CA.
But with that said, good idea and looks well thought out and gives me one more reason to feel sorry for CA residents.
I hope it works out for you.

EdInk
November 29, 2009, 03:28 PM
California gun laws are so stupid. You can shoot 30 rd mags but not from a rifle with comfortable grips. Just plain stupid.

NSO_w/_SIG
November 29, 2009, 04:17 PM
Seen similar set ups before, MD is bad but I couldn't take CA's laws that is horrible looking. However, good luck.

TriumphGuy
November 29, 2009, 09:19 PM
Any port in a storm, I suppose. I'd just get a mini-14 or an M1A instead.

olyinaz
November 29, 2009, 11:04 PM
>>>I'd just get a mini-14 or an M1A instead.<<<

Bingo! Which speaks volumes to how stupid CA's gun laws are.

Just think of all the crime they're preventing!! :barf:

Oly

BillCA
November 29, 2009, 11:56 PM
Wow. I'm very sure that I would either A.) Move to another state. or B.) Shoot a better looking rifle.
Your perogative... but would you move to another state - with all the associated costs & expenses, in this economy simply because your state passed a bad gun bill? Sure you can buy a different type of rifle (10 rd mags only though). But move or buy a different rifle, the anti's win.

Bingo! Which speaks volumes to how stupid CA's gun laws are.

Just think of all the crime they're preventing!!:barf:

The last bust I read about in Los Angeles said they had recovered something like 27 AK rifles (AK & SKS probably). None of which were neutered with 10-round magazines, bullet-buttons or non-pistolgrip stocks. They also recovered 12 AR-15's, 5 Class III M16's, and an M60.

So, yeah, those CA gun laws are preventing gangs from getting the guns from CA gunshops. They're simply stealing them out of state and transporting them to L.A.

lowracer
December 1, 2009, 07:57 PM
Website's been updated with all-new imagery. Got an ACE ARUL stock in today and slapped it on. Some people had requested to see this stock inverted.

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6955.JPG

And here it is with the Hammerhead going solo, still a legal configuration:
http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6950.JPG

Lots more photos here:
www.exilemachine.com/gallery.html

cornbush
December 1, 2009, 08:14 PM
:barf:
I would rather have a Hello Kitty Hi-Point carbine than that.

lowracer
December 1, 2009, 08:31 PM
I would rather have a Hello Kitty Hi-Point carbine than that.
Well, you're in Utah, you can have whatever you want... :D

Crankylove
December 1, 2009, 09:36 PM
Quote:
I would rather have a Hello Kitty Hi-Point carbine than that.

Well, you're in Utah, you can have whatever you want...

And when you're in Utah, you can, and are expected, to have multiples..............

lowracer
December 1, 2009, 09:37 PM
And when you're in Utah, you can, and are expected, to have multiples..............

:D:D:D

Abel
December 2, 2009, 07:22 AM
BillCA, don't be so serious man. Of course I would move! I would make that #1 on my to-do list. In the meantime, an M1A would placate me nicely. I wouldn't bring that there CA-legal boat-anchor of a gun to a dookie-shootin' contest.

FrankenMauser
December 2, 2009, 01:54 PM
I wouldn't bring that there CA-legal boat-anchor of a gun to a dookie-shootin' contest.

Very mature.

The man is attempting to market a product which will allow firearm owners to enjoy their weapons more fully, in a highly restrictive state, and all you can do is attack his choice of residence and appearance of the rifle.

<3 1nt3Rne7s

ISC
December 2, 2009, 05:00 PM
Your perogative... but would you move to another state - with all the associated costs & expenses, in this economy simply because your state passed a bad gun bill? Sure you can buy a different type of rifle (10 rd mags only though). But move or buy a different rifle, the anti's win.



I imagine alot of Jews said something similar before moving into the ghettos.

Kali is falling apart because the leftists are destroying the state with insane laws and failing to deport illegals. It's a sinking ship and if you aren't trying to get out you will drown in the next 10 years.

Oppressive gun laws are just an example of the abuse of civil rights that occur at the hands of state government. I can't imagine how anyone that is serious about his second amendment rights can live there and still contribute to the perverted state goverment and economy.

Abel
December 2, 2009, 05:35 PM
The man is attempting to market a product which will allow firearm owners to enjoy their weapons more fully, in a highly restrictive state

Ha! You go buy one then. :barf: Let the marketplace decide how much "The Hammerhead" is needed to enjoy these weapons. I'm sure people laughed at Al Gore when he invented the internet...and look at us now! Thanks Al Gore. :D

Dino.
December 3, 2009, 09:12 AM
Man, that's fugly. :eek:

dirksterg30
December 3, 2009, 09:49 AM
Wow. I'm very sure that I would either A.) Move to another state. or B.) Shoot a better looking rifle.

You should see some of the other Kalifornia-legal abortions:

http://www.riflegear.com/blogimages/KittyRifle.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b22/moulton/IMG_2168.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a212/SVORay/riflesfull.jpg

lowracer
December 3, 2009, 10:56 AM
...and each one of those abortions attached to a rifle extends a stubby middle finger to the CA Dept of Justice.

By using these compliance products, CA shooters trapped behind CA's iron curtain have over the last 3 years been legally able to import 300,000 AR-15s into CA (that's on top of the 100,000 ARs that were already there), and this number is growing at 100,000 rifles per year. Each one of those "aborted" rifles is a slap in the face to the socialist legislators who said these rifles were baby-killers and should be banned. At the same time, calguns foundation is working to get these laws invalidated in the courts. Their work, by the way, will have the side-effect of incorporating the 2nd amendment to the states, which benefits everyone in the US.

Get your priorities straight. The CA shooter is not your enemy. Those who choose to remain in CA and fight this liberal madness should be applauded and aided in that cause. Sell them guns, donate a few bucks to the Calguns foundation, do something to help instead of poking fun. These guys are shooters like you. Many/most are conservatives who are stuck in a damned liberal police state. You cannot even begin to imagine the legal hell they're in until such time as your state legislature decides to copy the CA laws verbatim and slap you in chains too.

Baratacus
December 3, 2009, 11:46 AM
yeah, for more validation to that point, see California Air Resource Board vehicle emmisions requirements. More and more states are adopting the CARB restrictions to vehicle emissions. People used to poke fun at californians and their restrictive vehicle emissions laws. Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, new york, oregon, pennsylvania, rhode island, utah, vermont, and Washington, won't be poking fun much longer. :(

With all of the litigation and lawyers here in California and various activist groups with plenty of lawyers on staff, if something passes California legislature and it Sticks, it's pretty damn iron clad. Other states love all of this R&D that california does for them in the legal arena and will carbon copy California laws and legislation just to avoid legal hassles down the road. If it passes here in California, expect it to be comming soon to a theater near you... :eek:

also start looking into local organized militias. If the second amendment actually comes into play, they'll be taking it at its non-truncated form. The right to bear arms being reserved for members of a well organized militia. I don't think there's a person on here who wouldn't start or join a local militia group.

on topic, it looks like there isn't enough space for the thumb at the top of the hammerhead. Is it as tight as it looks in the picture or is that just an odd angle it's shot at?

FrankenMauser
December 3, 2009, 01:43 PM
Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, new york, oregon, pennsylvania, rhode island, utah, vermont, and Washington, won't be poking fun much longer.

Utah's vehicle pollution regs have been tighter than CA, for about 8 years now. Anyone know why?...
Because we get all of California's pollution, on top of our own!! Whoohoo!! Add the fact that the Salt Lake and Cache Valleys are extremely prone to atmospheric inversion phenomenon (trapping of hot, pollution-laden air below layers of cold air, which cruises over the tops of the mountains), and you've got air quality up to 15 times more dangerous than Kali's worst days (and it lasts for weeks at a time, here).

Pollute my air, steal our water and electricity, and infer that I'm poking fun....


I still support any attempts to circumvent the Kali gun laws (for legal, responsible owners; using legal methods).
In no way, do I support CA. It's the attitude.

lowracer
December 3, 2009, 01:50 PM
Getting back toward the topic a bit, here's a Hammerhead configuration that I particularly like. If it had one of those smooth anodized free float tubes, take off the iron sights and put on an aimpoint red dot sight, I think it would look pretty badass:

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6946.JPG

And pardon the bad photoshop chop but you could even cut down the lower tube if you like (it's just a tube now, doesn't need to contain any buffer/spring. How short can you make it? Just watch your overall length under CA law doesn't go below 30":

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6946_CR.JPG

In a free state you could cut it even more, mill out the buttplate with a dremel tool, bolt it together and make a sick thumbhole stock.

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6946_CR1.JPG

Or use the spare tube you cut off to do something like this:

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6946_CR2.JPG

Slopemeno
December 3, 2009, 03:30 PM
by hook or by crook, I say.

FiveForSure
December 3, 2009, 04:08 PM
Call me crazy, but I actually think a few of these look pretty interesting:

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6719.JPG

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6946_CR1.JPG

lowracer
December 3, 2009, 04:11 PM
Thanks! We do sell to other restricted states, including MA. Haven't checked the laws there though, been concentrating on CA and CT (yes even CT has a remnant of the '94 AWB that they can't seem to shake).

I put Hammerheads up on gunbroker from time to time, just had one go for less than retail. There's one out there now if you want to try for it.

FiveForSure
December 3, 2009, 04:16 PM
Thanks! We do sell to other restricted states, including MA. Haven't checked the laws there though, been concentrating on CA and CT (yes even CT has a remnant of the '94 AWB that they can't seem to shake).

I put Hammerheads up on gunbroker from time to time, just had one go for less than retail. There's one out there now if you want to try for it.

I don't own an AR, and in MA the 30-round mags are illegal unless they're pre-ban, regardless of whether or not it has the other features (at least I think that's how it works here..?). However, if I did own an AR I'd probably want a flash hider, and I'd definitely have to look into a solution like this one to get the job done. I'd probably be in for a hammerhead, even more so if a full stock like the retouch I quoted was available.

My personal (and somewhat pricey) solution was to get a pre-ban Mini-14. :D

Schneiderman
December 3, 2009, 04:41 PM
I don't get why people are so concerned about what a gun looks like. For me it's about function and budget... If I lived in CA (but I don't and wouldn't) I'd be fine with this type of stock since it would allow me to have the other things I want. Looks is probably the last thing on my list of desirables.

lowracer
December 3, 2009, 05:16 PM
And in CA if you want a rifle that "Looks" like a free-state AR-15, you can go with a fixed-mag build. I built one that way when I lived there.

You install a small aluminum piece that blocks the magazine release so you can't drop mag with a finger press. You push the center of the mag release with the tip of a bullet.

Can't run anything over 10 rounds in the mag that way but you can modify a 30-rd mag to take only 10. Then you have looks, you can have all the evil features you like, even a pistol grip.

For me, I agree I'd rather have 30 rounds dropped the way nature intended.

lowracer
December 6, 2009, 06:50 PM
Couple other ways to configure it... The first way you don't wrap your hand around it, you cup it underneath like a Monsterman grip. For a right-hander, the thumb stays on the right.
http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_7023_S.JPG

And for those who need to get down low... Nothing says you have to use a 30-rounder just because you can. Especially useful for competitions or sniper situations where you are shooting prone. No pistol grip to get in the way.
http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_7007_S.JPG

Love those ACE ultralight stocks. This is the AR-UL-E entry size, in an inverted configuration.
http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_7018_S.JPG

lowracer
December 8, 2009, 03:17 PM
http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_7065_S.JPG
Hammerheads in formation, deployed for battle against restrictive CA gun laws.
(As for those two in the middle... "don't ask, don't tell")

TangoMcBlasty
December 8, 2009, 03:57 PM
Hey man, great job! I know I'm in the minority here but those actually look pretty cool to me. I think it's a great alternative to the bullet button and definitely better looking than the Monsterman grip.

I dunno what's up with all the California bashing. I was born and raised in LA so clearly I'm biased but blaming California residents for restrictive gun laws is counterproductive.

I actually applaud products like this because they show the uninformed that gun control laws are usually based purely on appearance. The more products like this on the market, the more people will understand that the human not the hardware will determine whether or not the gun will be used in a lawful manner.

Brian Pfleuger
December 8, 2009, 04:05 PM
Ok, so I know one less thing than nothing about the AR platform, but why do you even need that thing? I mean, why can't there just be a stock attached that looks more or less "normal", like traditional?

lowracer
December 8, 2009, 04:18 PM
...why can't there just be a stock attached that looks more or less "normal", like traditional?

Because CA law says that the pistol grip is evil if you have a detachable magazine on a centerfire rifle. There's no logic behind it other than they've got liberal idiots in the legislature. If you want to have a detachable mag in CA, you've got to do something to replace the pistol grip. Hammerhead is just the latest way...

TangoMcBlasty
December 8, 2009, 04:20 PM
why can't there just be a stock attached that looks more or less "normal", like traditional?

I'm not an expert but CA firearms laws pretty much boil down to appearance. In CA, any long gun that has the "appearance" of an assault weapon is considered an assault weapon. So for example anything with a detachable magazine and pistol grips, heat shields, flash suppressors, etc makes your long gun ban-worthy. It's obviously more complicated than this, but that's the gist of it.

One way around this is to have a nondetachable magazine. So if you want to have a traditional AR pistol grip, you need to modify your lower receiver so that a tool is required to detach the magazine. Obviously this negates the utility of the firearm so some people decide to go with stocks and grips that comply with CA law.

I don't want to hijack the thread so I'm just scratching the surface here. The CA DOJ has lots of documentation online. Like I said, I'm not an expert so feel free to correct or augment this.

aarondhgraham
December 8, 2009, 04:47 PM
Schneiderman said: "I don't get why people are so concerned about what a gun looks like. For me it's about function and budget... If I lived in CA (but I don't and wouldn't) I'd be fine with this type of stock since it would allow me to have the other things I want. Looks is probably the last thing on my list of desirables."

Oh my friend,,, do not ever forget that you are dealing with an "irrational" mindset when thinking about California gun legislation.

They care nothing for rationality or even saneness,,,
They only care about nibbling away at what should be a fundamental right.

People who say: "These laws make no sense at all." are forgetting that the Cali-legislators do not care. They are only trying to restrict gun ownership and usage in any manner available to them.

I lived in California from 1975 to 1996,,,
I decided to leave and move my life back to Oklahoma,,,
When the state decided that my Marlin Model 60 (.22 lr) was an assault rifle.

There are two laws that will never get enacted in California (or the U.S. for that matter),,, They are:
1. Sales tax to replace income tax. - Too much power in the hands of the people - A simple refusal to buy luxury products for 6 months and we kill the funding for anything the public truly doesn't like.
2. A law saying new legislation must pass a test of constitutionality before it is enacted. - They now can pass any law they can agree on. - It's up to the citizens to challenge an unconstitutional or irrational law after it has been enacted.

Sorry about thread-jacking but when I read about the restrictions on gun ownership/use that have been enacted since I left California, I wonder why anyone still lives there.

Aarond

Brian Pfleuger
December 8, 2009, 04:56 PM
Because CA law says that the pistol grip is evil if you have a detachable magazine on a centerfire rifle. There's no logic behind it other than they've got liberal idiots in the legislature. If you want to have a detachable mag in CA, you've got to do something to replace the pistol grip. Hammerhead is just the latest way...

I know about the pistol grip thing, why does there have to be ANYTHING there? Why not just a normal rifle stock?

Like this one:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b22/moulton/IMG_2168.jpg

Only, why the need for the doo-dad underneath?

Skans
December 8, 2009, 05:30 PM
Am I the only one that thinks this is a decent solution to folks in Kalifornia who want a "tactical" AR with detachable 30 round magazine? Works for me - I don't see the big deal.

lowracer
December 8, 2009, 05:31 PM
One of the first products to replace the pistol grip for this law was a simple bolt and small aluminum tab to hold the selector detent spring in place. No pistol grip, no grip of any kind... But how do you grasp the rifle then? It's not easy with nothing there. It's much better to have something there to hold on to.

Just remember that every black rifle that gets imported into CA, no matter how it's configured, ****** off their liberal legislators. The more black rifles, the more common they are, and thus the harder they are to ban. If I had an 01 FFL I'd be transferring truckloads of CA legal black rifles there 24/7.

It may come to that.

Brian Pfleuger
December 8, 2009, 05:45 PM
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great idea if it gets these rifles into CA. I just didn't get the need to have it there at all, now I do. Sure, it ain't the prettiest thing, but if it works, it works.

stellite
December 8, 2009, 06:34 PM
blame this hairy beast for this Kali problem


http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/rosieksm.jpg




Poor Kalifornicans, it sucks that they are reduced to a rifle that has no grip. you litterally need to cut your shooting hand off and install a round telescopic fitting on your wrist with a hook for the trigger that would work best.



Kali makes as much sense as this:

http://priuschat.com/forums/attachments/freds-house-pancakes/14790d1242862987-one-more-funny-bunny-pancake.jpg

azredhawk44
December 8, 2009, 07:12 PM
And here it is with the Hammerhead going solo, still a legal configuration:

http://www.exilemachine.com/IMG_6950.JPG

That shouldn't be legal in CA.

That's a MagPul PMAG. MagPul was incorporated in 2004, and didn't start producing PMAGs until either 2005 or 2006.

California magazines > 10 rounds must be manufactured before 1989, I believe.

There's not a PMAG on earth that was manufactured before 1989.

Is that a modified 10/30 magazine, with a 10 round artificial stop in it?

lowracer
December 8, 2009, 07:32 PM
That shouldn't be legal in CA.


It is. It's legal to repair mags that were legally owned prior to the ban, which took effect in 2000 (not 1989). To repair a legally owned mag you can take each and every part and replace it with a brand new one from a legally-acquired repair kit (just a disassembled mag), and there is no requirement to prove that you did so, or to retain the old parts. So yes you can have a MagPul PMAG or any other modern AR-15 mag.

CA's magazine laws are so ridiculous it would require an entire thread to go into all the details.

Skans
December 9, 2009, 09:54 AM
CA's magazine laws are so ridiculous it would require an entire thread to go into all the details.

I personally love the inventive ways that Californians use to legally own Assault Weapons. That's right, I called it an Assault Weapon. It's no longer a Military Style rifle, so I call it what the antis hate - a Kali-legal Assault Weapon.

Take heed - the rest of us are not immune from retarded Presidents, legislators, governors, or Commissioners. We all need to be thinking of inventive ways to bypass retard-legislation.

lowracer
December 17, 2009, 07:48 AM
We are building up a dealer network within CA. Our first dealer is Parallax Tactical in San Diego. If you're in the area stop in and see a Hammerhead in person.

More dealers coming soon.

We're also expanding into the northeastern states with Assault Weapons Bans, vestiges of the 1994 crime bill that refuse to die. In these states they are generally allowed to have 1 feature from the list of evil features. The Hammerhead allows them to pick a different evil feature than the pistol grip. Little bit trickier there since none of these states define the term "pistol grip."

lowracer
December 20, 2009, 08:10 AM
We've signed up Authorized Dealers Addax Tactical and Valkyrie Tactical in southern CA. Full CA dealer network should be in place by Feb 2010.

armabill
December 20, 2009, 04:16 PM
lowracer has a good idea here.

lowracer
December 22, 2009, 03:58 PM
lowracer has a good idea here.
Thanks! (Check's in the mail...) :D

We are having some of these duracoated in Flat Dark Earth and Olive Drab at customer request. Will post photos soon.

Lloyd Smale
December 23, 2009, 07:47 AM
just think if everyone in ca that wanted a legal ar would take the money that would be spent on something like this and donated it to the nra or any local gun law fighting orgaization you might get rid of some of the comunist laws you have to live with in that state. My state michigan is better but far from perfect. Here we cant own short barreled rifles or silencers even with batf documentation.

Ar15M4
December 23, 2009, 12:27 PM
I would buy one if I lived in a communist state like Kalifornia.

I don't care what it looks like as long as you can have 3 times the cap. in the magazine. I don't like loading mags. So If I can buy something that would spare my fingers, I would be game.

But I live in the midwest, where we are still sort of free.

lowracer
January 1, 2010, 09:33 AM
We will have a limited quantity in FDE and Olive Drab, available soon...
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/175/hhca5.jpg

Palmetto-Pride
January 1, 2010, 12:16 PM
So, yeah, those CA gun laws are preventing gangs from getting the guns from CA gunshops. They're simply stealing them out of state and transporting them to L.A.

Are you kidding me.......it almost sounds like you agree with those stupid laws. I would be willing to bet that most of those worthless thugs already have rap sheet a mile long that would/should prevent them from buying guns in the first place so a simple background check would prevent them from buying guns from CA gun shops. The only thing those laws prevent is law abiding people(people that wouldn't use the gun in a crime in the first place) from getting them...............rant over!!

Brenten
January 3, 2010, 10:45 AM
I applaud the attempt at getting guns for CA people. However, this is insanity and does not solve the problem, California is bankrupt, corrupt, crime is at it's worst levels, gangs are rampant. and yet law abiding citizens are not allowed to defend themselves.

lowracer
January 3, 2010, 11:09 AM
California is bankrupt, corrupt, crime is at it's worst levels, gangs are rampant. and yet law abiding citizens are not allowed to defend themselves.

Every black rifle we ship into CA helps solve the problem of CA being an anti-gun state. When AR-15s are as common as dirt, they become logistically impossible to ban.

The Hammerhead, while it looks different from what you're used to seeing, allows the CA rifleman to legally load the AR-15 to its full rated ammunition capacity. That is much better for defense than 1) No rifle at all, or 2) A rifle that is castrated to only carry 10 rounds and release the magazine by poking at it with the tip of a bullet.

Brenten
January 3, 2010, 12:16 PM
lowracer, I agree. it is a way of getting guns into CA, just a sad state of affairs for CA owners.

Big Bill
January 3, 2010, 03:22 PM
California gun laws SUCK!!! When are people over there going to throw the creeps out?

lowracer
January 3, 2010, 05:01 PM
California gun laws SUCK!!! When are people over there going to throw the creeps out?

The pro-gunners are substantially outnumbered right now at the ballot box. It's a crappy situation to be in, and I'm thankful I was able to escape. No matter what the issue, you write to your senator and it comes back with "thanks for writing but I'm going to pursue my socialist agenda regardless."

There is progress though in the courts. The Supreme Court's Heller decision last summer is opening up a 55 gallon drum of whoopass on the anti-gunners and the city & state weapons bans are about to take a beating if not being thrown out completely. Once the 2nd Amendment is incorporated to the states, CA will likely have shall-issue CCW, the roster of approved handguns will go away, and the AW ban will follow.

Meantime, ship all the guns and ammo you can into CA. Those guys are trapped behind enemy lines and need the rest of us to keep them supplied.

Art Eatman
January 4, 2010, 09:25 AM
Drifted off into politickin' and philosophy...