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bamaranger
November 15, 2009, 06:21 AM
What is the avg range for your bow kills on whitetails? My records show an average of 15 yds, my hunting style is from treestands exclusively.

shortwave
November 15, 2009, 07:57 AM
I`d say, for me, 15-20 yds would be about average also.

Brian Pfleuger
November 15, 2009, 12:10 PM
My longest was 25 yards. My shortest was just this last Thursday, about 15 feet. Several others at less that 10 yards.

My average has got to be between 10 and 15 yards. Closer to 10 I think.

Rembrandt
November 15, 2009, 12:38 PM
From a tree stand average is about 25-30 yards. Hunted out west where you stalked through brush.....about 40-60 yards.

Tomas204
November 15, 2009, 05:04 PM
35-50 yds ,I don`t use a tree stand and I hunt Black tails they are not patterned as easy as a white tail

bowtekhunter
November 15, 2009, 06:56 PM
out here the closest shot i ahd ever had is only 30yrds my avrage is about 50 to 70 for elk and mule deer but i know people that have cleanly taken animals out to 125 yards with a bow consistiantly, i have a 100 yard pin on my bow and probably "could" hit somthing at that far...not that id ever try, might as well use a rifle

rantingredneck
November 15, 2009, 07:00 PM
My longest (and coincidentally biggest) bow kill was 35 yds. My shortest (and coincidentally 2nd biggest) bow kill was almost literally straight down. Average for me is around 10-15 yds. I tend to hunt funnels where I can get them in nice and close.

Old Grump
November 15, 2009, 07:01 PM
Practice at 40 but won't shoot more than 30 yards, 20 or less is better. I use a crossbow.

camper4lyfe
November 15, 2009, 08:55 PM
I'm not comfortable shooting over 20 yds. I can't hit accurately farther than that.

James R. Burke
November 16, 2009, 08:29 PM
I dont bow hunt, but know alot of folks that do. Sounds like you all have good common sense. Thats what gives bow hunting a good name in my feelings. The bow hunters I know take it very serious, practice alot, and limit there shots. Way to hard for myself so I wont even try. Leave it to you pro's, and more power to ya.

trooper3385
November 17, 2009, 12:52 AM
I practice out to 50 and I'm confident in my shot at that distance, but I try to keep everything under 30. I haven't shot a deer with my bow yet, but I've shot a few hogs. My longest shot was 28 yds and my shortest was 10 yds.

stevelyn
November 17, 2009, 03:51 AM
My longest was two caribou at about 45 paces, but that was on open tundra.

UniversalFrost
November 17, 2009, 05:41 PM
come on over to bowcountry forums if want to talk bow hunting.

oh and by the way my average is 15 yards ish. We (the other forum) did a poll and the concensus was between 12 and 17 yards. I do have pins set out to 60 yards on my bow and can hit a pie plate at that range repeatedy, but have never shot a deer past 30 yds.

bamaranger
November 18, 2009, 12:20 AM
Thanks for all the responses. My experience seems to be matching up w/ most other whitetail hunters.

Got my first shot of the year this evening....and missed! Mature doe, quartering away at 18 paces. She was amped, and I think jumped the string, I believe I shot over her.

On my bows w/ multiple aiming points, I keep pins/points to 30 yds. I have used the 30 yd point 3 times in nearly 30 years of bowhunting (two misses and a kill)

Wiht my "fast" bow, I have one tritium pin at 20 yds, which is what I missed w/ this afternoon.

telemark
November 18, 2009, 01:43 AM
My kills average about 40 yds, kills ranging from 50 yds to 15 yds, mostly stalking game.

wpcexpert
November 18, 2009, 03:44 AM
If I had to average, I would say between 15-17 yds.

Longest shot taken at 42 yds (kill)
Closest shot taken at 1-2 yds (kill)

I keep a 60yd pin and practice at that distance, but probably would never take that kind of shot. Unless I had time to put a range finder on it...if I had a range finder. The drop at that range is too drastic to be off by more than 2-3yds. Plus, I don't usually have that long of a shot.

Deerhunter
December 10, 2009, 02:43 PM
i know people that have cleanly taken animals out to 125 yards with a bow consistiantly, i have a 100 yard pin on my bow and probably "could" hit somthing at that far

100 yards you don't say, so your aiming 10 feet over the deer's back, at least?

I have my top pin set for 10 yards, I can shoot that pin out to 20 yards, not enough drop to matter. Then I shoot the next pin from 20-30 yards and the 3rd pin from 30-40 yards. I have only shot one deer with that pin. I would say I average about between 15-20 yards. Shot a decent 8 pointer at 17 yards in October.

I just have a hard time beleiving that anyone is shooting any animal consistantly with a bow at 50+ yards. I am not buying people shooting them at over 100 yards with a bow.

Brian Pfleuger
December 10, 2009, 03:11 PM
I just have a hard time beleiving that anyone is shooting any animal consistantly with a bow at 50+ yards. I am not buying people shooting them at over 100 yards with a bow.

There are plenty of people who can shoot accurately enough to kill a whitetail deer at 100 yards with a bow.

However, I know of no one who would try.

There are too many variables, deer don't stand still like paper targets do. However, I've known a number of people who have taken elk out to ranges of 60 yards or so, and I've seen 75 on TV.


On a matter of pure accuracy though, 100 yards is within the range of a well tuned bow, and there are plenty of shooters who could do it. Not most, not average, but plenty of guys can.

ZeroJunk
December 10, 2009, 03:25 PM
I shot quite a bit at 100 yards just messing around. I normally do most of my practicing at 50 yards.

I actually shot at a deer 60 yards away when I was young and more stupid than I am now.

Problem was that upon hearing the bow release the buck decided he didn't like it and was several feet away by the time the arrow got there.

Daryl
December 10, 2009, 04:14 PM
I've practiced out to 60 yards, and can hit targets pretty well at that range, but one of the longest shots I can remember taking at anything larger than a rabbit was on this bobcat some years ago.

22 yard shot, Thunderhead broadhead, PSE Mach Flight IV set at 70 lbs; it was a heart shot on the cat. This cat was actually stalked, rather than called in. I still use the same bow, and the cat is in the form of a rug in my den.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Daryl45/ArcheryBobcat.jpg

ZeroJunk
December 10, 2009, 06:29 PM
I have a friend that killed an elk at 70 yards. If I was sure of the range I think I could be effective at 60 yards, and I had a 60 yard pin for elk hunting.

I have probably been within 75 to 100 yards on a dozen 6X6 or better herd bulls over the years and it never occurred to me to try a shot.

At least they are not likely to jump the shot, so you are limited to your shooting ability and whether whatever you are using still has enough energy.

Point is that even though an elk is bigger you can make a longer shot because they are not so agile as a deer.

shortwave
December 10, 2009, 07:15 PM
Average would 15-20 yds. longest around 30.

bullspotter
December 10, 2009, 08:37 PM
for deer my avarge is pry 20ish from a stand, longest was 53 on a buck from the ground. On elk, my far one was 73, this year my elk was 12 yards and last year my elk was 53, The 73 and 53 yard shots were slam dunks, This year i didnt shoot my bow near as much and made 50 my absoult max for elk, Had several great 330+ ish bulls in the 65-70 range that i had to let walk do to the range..... ended up with a cow, upclose and personal but was not happy with that, I had to take her or maybe go with out this year. I will be shooting alot getting ready for 2010, those big bulls better watch out next year...... O and by the way anything past 40 or if im not sure I hit with the range finder so theirs no judgment errors.

wpcexpert
December 10, 2009, 10:14 PM
100 yards you don't say, so your aiming 10 feet over the deer's back, at least?


Ummm, probably not. He has a 100yd pin. A buddy of mine in AK keeps 2 different sights for his bow. One with normal distances and one with the first pin starting at 60yds. So no, you wouldn't be aiming over it's back, you would be aiming behind the shoulder...where your 100yd pin should be.

bowtekhunter
December 11, 2009, 12:49 AM
long range bow kills arent an unherd of thing where im from, i killed my buck this year at 65 yards and have killed elk past 75..and friends that CLEANLY kill animals with a bow out to 100yds and past, my bow shoots at 352 fps so that helps too:D

bamaranger
December 11, 2009, 01:38 AM
I am still enjoying this thread, and clearly, there are lots of folks who are far better shots than I am, and who hunt locations where longer shots are possible.

Consider this in our comments on long bow shots. With a rig that is shooting 300 fps, on a 100 yd shot, the "flight time" for the arrow is going to exceed 3 seconds. .....say again.....3 seconds+. A game animal can do a lot of things in 3 seconds, non of them conducive to good arrow placement.

For a 5o yd shot, the hang time will still exceed 1.5 seconds. Since lots of rigs don't do 300 fps (my "fast" bow does 250) and the arrow can only lose velocity from the moment it leaves the bow string, you are talking some serious "hang time" till the arrow arrives (hopefully) on target. This alone is reason enough for me to limit my shots to 30 yds.

All that said, I had a blast over Thanksgiving weekend, lobbing arrows 40- 50 yds at 9" foam disks at my mother in laws, W/ my single pin bow.(couldn't hunt, out of state) Once I got the hold over figured, I surprised myself. But the disks don't move.

Deerhunter
December 11, 2009, 08:26 AM
Does your bow actually shoot 352 ft/sec or is that what it is rated at?

I.B.O
I.B.O speeds are determined by shooting a bare bow with nothing on the string set at 70 pounds using a 350 grain arrow with a 30 inch draw. Most bow makers will test their bows with lighter arrows as well but most usually do not drop below a 330 grain arrow for testing purposes.
A.M.O
A.M.O speeds are determined by shooting a bare bow with nothing on the string set at 60 pounds using a 540 grain arrow with a 30 inch draw.


http://www.ikesoutdoors.com/1/post/2009/01/post-title-click-and-type-to-edit.html

Brian Pfleuger
December 11, 2009, 10:46 AM
my bow shoots at 352 fps so that helps too

I assume it's not a Bowtech then? Their fastest IBO speed is the 2010 Destroyer, @ 350fps.

There's almost no bow in the world that will shoot IBO with a hunting setup.

For instance, subtract 10 fps for every inch reduction in draw length below 30, roughly 3 fps for EVERY item attached to the string. Roughly 3fps for every 10 grains of arrow weight above 5gr per pound of draw weight....

My 2008 Hoyt Katera XL, rated at 305 fps, shoots 264 with a VERY typical hunting setup. I can get 285 with 5gr/lb arrows.

bowtekhunter
December 11, 2009, 11:13 PM
my target bow a bowtech destroyer 350 shoots 352 fps, with an extened grip at 30in draw and 330 grain arrows and set at 80lbs, my hunting bow a 2008 tribute shoots at 325 fps, i put shorter limbs on it to make the brace height shorter to get more speed and 350 grain arrows, this is the bow i make the long shots with and it seems to do just fine....speed isint every thing

LateNightFlight
December 11, 2009, 11:48 PM
My longest bow kill was at 65 yards on a NE Calif muley, holding on the top of his back with my 60 yard pin, I double lunged him. That was 30 years ago, and the distance between my 20 yard pin and my 60 yard pin would make today's shooters double over with laughter. I tended to miss anything under 40 yards. Over the back, and over the back again, and I'll never forget it because of one particularly nice buck I DID NOT GET, and by all rights should HAVE NEVER MISSED. :( I walked to the spot he had been standing and looked back at where I was standing and couldn't understand how I had chosen a 40 yard pin for a 30 yard deer. Perhaps I just spent too much time shooting at 60.

I had to give up bow hunting because an upper back injury prevented me from practicing. I still have that old bow, but someday I'm going to ask you guys to help me put together a lighter weight rig, particularly because now I can hunt whitetails from a tree stand, rather than suffer with the longer ranges of those mule deer.

One of my old Cali friends can consistently drill a pie plate at 100 yards. I hate him for that. ;)

ZeroJunk
December 12, 2009, 07:15 AM
my 20 yard pin and my 60 yard pin would make today's shooters double over with laughter


The bow I originally started with was screaming along at 224 FPS with 140 grain broadheads and XX75's. Worked.

rickyjames
December 12, 2009, 08:36 AM
interesting stuff. i jus got a new martin rated at 305 fps. it has a 3 pin sight and i am kicking around what distance to set them. my old browning bow has a 4 pin sight set at 10-20-30-40 yards and i have seperation between the pins. with the new faster martin i'm thinking 10-20-30 yards but i'm afraid the pins might be pretty much just stacked on each other. maybe set at 10-30-50 or 15-30-45 yards would give me more pin seperation. i'm not really a 50 yard shooter but i understand the faster bows are more forgiving (shoot flater) so it would be easier to compensate on a 20 or 40 yard shot than with my old bow. any suggestions?

Legionnaire
December 12, 2009, 12:12 PM
Can't say. Farthest shot I've taken was just over 20 yards, and the closest was less than five feet from the base of the tree I was in (I was 20 feet up). I'd guess my average would be around 15 yards as well.

Brian Pfleuger
December 12, 2009, 12:25 PM
my target bow a bowtech destroyer 350 shoots 352 fps, with an extened grip at 30in draw and 330 grain arrows and set at 80lbs, my hunting bow a 2008 tribute shoots at 325 fps, i put shorter limbs on it to make the brace height shorter to get more speed and 350 grain arrows, this is the bow i make the long shots with and it seems to do just fine....speed isint every thing

I agree that speed isn't everything. In fact, it's not even a close third on my list.

I have to ask though, genuine curiosity, if speed isn't everything then why on Gods green earth would you shoot an 80lb bow? I mean, assuming that you're not hunting water buffalo.

bowtekhunter
December 12, 2009, 01:50 PM
i dont really know, i have just always shot the most i could pull back

Brian Pfleuger
December 12, 2009, 02:11 PM
i dont really know, i have just always shot the most i could pull back

Gotta love an honest answer.:)

Fair enough.

I couldn't pull 80 on a good day, say nothing of the typical conditions in NY during bow season. Sitting in a stand for 4 hours, freezing to death and stiff from not moving. I like 59 lbs. Gives me 58ish ft/lbs of energy, which is almost double what my old bow would do at the same draw weight and less let-off.


Dang dude! 330gr arrows at 80lbs! Holy smokes! I just figured that out! That's 4.13 gr/lb. Damn!! It's a good thing that Bowtech is guaranteed forever.;):D

So, 330gr at 352fps.... that's 91 ft/lbs. I'd be shooting the biggest, narliest, nastiest open-on-impact that I could find if I had that much energy.

bowtekhunter
December 12, 2009, 08:36 PM
the worst part is pulling them out of the target:rolleyes:.....

bamaranger
December 27, 2009, 04:05 AM
As an addition to this thread:

23Dec at 4:50 PM I FINALLY got another shot and connected w/ a 145 lb 5pt.
Distance was 24 paces, likely 22-23 yds, from a treestand.
Buck went 30-40 yds, stopped and tilted over, in sight, 50 yd or so from tree.
It has been a LONG dry season and I am really tickled!!!!!!!!

That'll boost my average yardage a bit.

tachunter
December 27, 2009, 04:47 AM
I don't have the luxery to hunt out of treestands. I'm forced to stalk and try to get as close as possible. Most of my shots have been around 20-40yds. I would say my average is 30yds.

tachunter
December 27, 2009, 04:53 AM
My longest bow kill was at 65 yards on a NE Calif muley

Interesting, what zone you in bud? You on private land?

rather than suffer with the longer ranges of those mule deer.

Tell me about it. I live in California and understand this intimately. My town is 404ft. I hunt at 9000ft. My five mile walk from 9000ft ends up at 6500ft. Not the easiest hunting.

LateNightFlight
December 27, 2009, 07:49 PM
Interesting, what zone you in bud? You on private land?

That particular buck was on public land in X1, east of Fisk Ridge, which is north east of the McCloud area. During rifle season, the locals used to call that area little L.A. because it could get so crowded. One rifle season, a couple of guys pulled into my camp to see the deer I had hanging. As it turned out, they were actually from L.A.!

My five mile walk from 9000ft ends up at 6500ft. Not the easiest hunting.

I hear ya! I don't think I could do it anymore. I used to climb and drop thousands of feet by noon, which might not sound too rough, but anyone who has struggled through the manzanita trails above the trees knows what I'm talking about. I questioned myself often, "Why hadn't I been born a golfer?" ;)

shortwave
December 27, 2009, 09:05 PM
Congrats on that score bamaranger. Just think how good those fresh backstraps are gonna taste.;)

stratloverfender
December 27, 2009, 11:40 PM
im a bow nut, and my pse will shoot three inch groups at 55 yards or i wont leave the house. its due to the fact that yeah treestand shots are under thirty, but here in pa, there a lot of rows and fields that u can stalk up on deer on.

tachunter
December 28, 2009, 03:16 AM
but anyone who has struggled through the manzanita trails above the trees knows what I'm talking about.

I have wholes in my pants and jackets to show my understanding. lol Yeah, the rough terrain takes a little more out of my father these days. I bought him the primos walking/shooting stick to help him out through the canyons for Christmas. That basically gave him no option to quit any time soon. lol

rem870hunter
December 28, 2009, 03:32 PM
i practice to 30 yards on the ground,my group starts to open (going outside a 6" plate) past 25 so unless its a big target or i was shooting at a bear on its hind legs in self defense, i would'nt take the shot. i do go on my roof for 15,20 and 25 yards pracitice shots. i stand hunt during bow season so i need to practice from an elevated position as well as on the ground. i'm shooting a BEAR Black Bear 50# draw compound bow,easton gg aluminum arrows with 145 gr Bear SuperRazor broadheads.

rem870hunter
December 28, 2009, 03:40 PM
interesting stuff. i jus got a new martin rated at 305 fps. it has a 3 pin sight and i am kicking around what distance to set them. my old browning bow has a 4 pin sight set at 10-20-30-40 yards and i have seperation between the pins. with the new faster martin i'm thinking 10-20-30 yards but i'm afraid the pins might be pretty much just stacked on each other. maybe set at 10-30-50 or 15-30-45 yards would give me more pin seperation. i'm not really a 50 yard shooter but i understand the faster bows are more forgiving (shoot flater) so it would be easier to compensate on a 20 or 40 yard shot than with my old bow. any suggestions?

i use the gap in between my pins as in between yardage. meaning in between my 10 and 20 yard pins is my 15 yard,between 20 and 30 is my 25.

i don't think they should be stacked on each other like that. i would set the pins in 10 yard increments (10,20,30,40). or maybe the top pin be set for 5 doing a setup like this 5,10,20,30. the very close shots can be as tough as the very far shots.

wpcexpert
December 31, 2009, 09:18 AM
rickyjames:
so it would be easier to compensate on a 20 or 40 yard shot than with my old bow. any suggestions?

I run a 20/30/40/50/60. My standard FPS out of most of my bows have been 290ish. I've never had a problem with pin gap. I practice at close distance to know where my arrow will hit, usually a touch high at 12-15yds, on at 7-10yds, and low below 7yds. That's been with 8.1gr/inch arrows.

With my new birthday bow, my arrows are a touch over 10gr/inch. After wrap, veins, and broadhead, my arrows weigh in at 425gr. I believe I'm still over 290fps. Same pin gap, maybe a little closer at 40-60. But if the animal is between set distances, he gets shot in between pins. In the woods, my 20 yd pin is my work horse. Rarely ever use the others. Don't really know why I have more than 2.(20 and 30) I guess I'm a huge "just in case" kinda guy.

jakec2789
December 31, 2009, 11:39 AM
have you ever shot a deer at exactly 20 yards? i never have, so i set my pins at 23/36/45/51/60.

I know, not exactly even spread but it works fantastic for me. i shoot with broadheads in the 280 range. with my competition set up i'm right at 320. yes i know, hard to believe but a highly tuned bow is very capable of it.

as for hunting i have taken deer out to 60 yards, but i try to keep my shots under 40.

Brian Pfleuger
December 31, 2009, 10:08 PM
have you ever shot a deer at exactly 20 yards? i never have, so i set my pins at 23/36/45/51/60.

I've never shot a deer at exactly 20 yards but I've also never shot one at exactly 23 yards so I can't say as I understand your reasoning. Any choice of pin placements is going to be arbitrary and not cover points in between. That said, I don't set my pin at exactly 20 either but it's because with a reasonably fast bow (I shoot 265fps with 370gr arrows) I can have a "hot 20" pin that is zero at about 23 yards and close enough to aim right on from 18 to 27 or so.

Jack O'Conner
January 4, 2010, 07:50 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/PaulMarylandbuck.jpg

I started out bowhunting in 1972 with a 45 lb Wing Archery recurve bow and cedar arrows with turkey feather fletching. As the years clicked by, I commissioned a custom built bow crafted for me by Owen Jeffrey with 60 lb draw. Both bows took many deer for me, but in 1997 a bicycle accident left me with an unhealed elbow fracture. My recurve bow days were over.

Modern Ten Point crossbow with compound limbs and 4X scope sight is my current venison-getter. Its a genuine keeper!

Most deer were taken at 20 - 30 yards. But a few were shot even closer.

I advise stay away from carbon arrows and mechanical broadheads. Go with Easton XX75 aluminum shafts and Thunderhead 100 grain broadheads. Penetration will be successfull every time!

Jack

jakec2789
January 4, 2010, 08:16 PM
i have never had an issue with carbon arrows. never broken on me. i've even had them meet cinder block walls during an indoor 3d tournament and never had one break. in fact the only ones i've ever had break is when i accidentally pulled a robinhood.

Brian Pfleuger
January 4, 2010, 08:23 PM
I advise stay away from carbon arrows and mechanical broadheads. Go with Easton XX75 aluminum shafts and Thunderhead 100 grain broadheads. Penetration will be successfull every time!

No offense to you Jack but this is what people said when compound bows were invented too. Heck, some people STILL say it about compound bows. Modern arrows are very safe and produce FAR more energy than is necessary to get adequate penetration from mechanical broadheads.

I virtually guarantee that your 45 lb Wing Archery recurve generated less than 20 ft/lbs of energy and your 60 lb draw Owen Jeffrey bow almost certainly generated less than 30 ft/lbs. By comparison, a 45 pound compound bow bought today may generate near on 50 ft/lbs and a 60lb bow can approach 70ft/lbs. It doesn't take more than a few foot pounds to open these mechanical broadheads and a 2 1/2 inch hole is a nasty, nasty thing.

18 yards, 60lb Hoyt Katera XL (58 ft/lbs energy), Rage 125gr broadhead:

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53362&d=1257268550

This is the right side of the deer, with the leg extending off the right side of the picture.

Ryanfromcanada
January 4, 2010, 09:28 PM
I dont have any Bow killing experince but i can say that i practise to 45 yards so that i can hit the vitals but i will keep shots within 30. Problem here is that still hunting from the ground with the bow is hard to get a clear shooting lane past that far. But in the open praieies with a fast bow i think that 50 yards isn't unreasonable.