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smleno1mkIII
November 7, 2009, 02:03 AM
Hmm. Enfield,03 springfield, gewehr 98 , steyr mannlicher,ross ,p17, 03turk, chau chau na just kidding lol.:)

SigP6Carry
November 7, 2009, 03:04 AM
I'm thinking whatever whichever army gave me. Also, just a heads up, if you use correct spelling and capitalization, it looks a lot better than it does as is.

edit: I believe it's Gewehr, Chauchat and I'm not sure what this 03 Turk is you mean.

But, I'd presonally prefer one a K-11 or M1887, myself.

Chipperman
November 7, 2009, 10:01 AM
There's an old saying:
When going to WWI, the Germans took a hunting rifle, the Americans took a target rifle, and the Brits took a battle rifle.

Any of them will do the job. In WWI, I'd be more interested in staying deep underground than what rifle I was carrying. :eek:

the rifleer
November 7, 2009, 10:57 AM
Well if i was fighting it wouldn't be a video game where you can choose your weapon and your team, however i would want either an m1 Garand or a 1903 Springfield and a 1911 on my side.

Parapliers
November 7, 2009, 11:12 AM
British Enfield for the magazine capacity and the sights. My favorite rifle today is the 03-A3 for the magazine cut-off and the sights. I wish someone would make a mini - 03 in stainless steel and chambered for intermediate cartridges.

Crosshair
November 7, 2009, 12:17 PM
Enfield, no question. I hear the Remington Model 8 performed favorably in testing, so it might be nice to have an auto loader.:D

Renfield
November 7, 2009, 12:22 PM
however i would want either an m1 Garand



M-1 Garand wasn't used in World War I, it wasn't adopted until 1936 or so

I'd want a Springfield

Buzzcook
November 7, 2009, 01:36 PM
Dulce et Decorum Est

1 Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
2 Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
3 Till on the haunting flares we turned out backs,
4 And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
5 Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
6 But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
7 Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
8 Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

9 Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!--An ecstasy of fumbling
10 Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
11 But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
12 And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.--
13 Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
14 As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

15 In all my dreams before my helpless sight
16 He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

17 If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
18 Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
19 And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
20 His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
21 If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
22 Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
23 Bitter as the cud
24 Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
25 My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
26 To children ardent for some desperate glory,
27 The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
28 Pro patria mori.

Wilfred Owen


I opt for the artillery.

Mike Irwin
November 7, 2009, 02:09 PM
Lee Enfield.

Hands down.

Dragon55
November 7, 2009, 02:22 PM
The old '303' was/is so tough it continued in use for decades.

GunnyBunny
November 7, 2009, 02:28 PM
.303 Brit.

The Enfield is still in use around the world today.

SigP6Carry
November 7, 2009, 02:48 PM
OH! I forgot: BAR! I'd want a BAR! But that's 1917, so it's the end of the war. Otherwise, I stand by my prior statements.

mp25ds4
November 7, 2009, 04:35 PM
Enfield no question, smooth action and overall operation. its accurate, holds and reliably feeds 10 rounds, what more could you ask for?

B. Lahey
November 7, 2009, 05:05 PM
I would take a Fusil Automatique Modele 1917, the first mostly reliable semiauto. And even if it got gunked up, it made an acceptable straight-pull.

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn298/brendanclaude/Modele1917Right.jpg

Awhawhaw! Call me Frenchy, they probably had better food too.:D

johnwilliamson062
November 7, 2009, 06:14 PM
I was going to also go with K11, but I like the FAM 1917 also.

smleno1mkIII
November 7, 2009, 07:31 PM
you don't know what a 1903 turkish mauser is you know the turkish mausers you used to be able to buy at big 5 for 50 bucks those were turkish 38's updated models of the 03. the 03 was originally chamberd in 7.65 argie the 38 is an updated version in 8mm mauser since the turkes switched instead of using boththey were used a galippoli along with german gewehr 98's in 8mm by the end of the war they had about equal numbers of each so they chose to standerise the 8mm so the 03 were rebarrled to 8mm

Flipper 56
November 7, 2009, 08:57 PM
Kind of partial to a Swedish Mauser M-96 :cool:
But an SMLE and "Ten Rounds Rapid" would be nice :D
However a Winchester 1897 "Trench Broom", now we are talking
"Up Close and personal" :rolleyes:

mavracer
November 7, 2009, 09:10 PM
I'd be happy with my P17 heck it's 90 years old and will still do this at 100Yards.
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii261/mavracer/P2010082.jpg

cornbush
November 7, 2009, 09:12 PM
The '03 Springfield would be my impulse pick, but for a BATTLE rifle, have to go for the Enfield.

p99guy
November 8, 2009, 12:04 AM
a good Enfield No1 MkIII hands down....and I say that having shot/owned its rivals/ stablemates


http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/91/imgp3963.jpg

here is my 1916 BSA made, Canadian issued one

James K
November 8, 2009, 12:10 AM
The only problem with selecting an M1 rifle in WWI is finding a reliable power source for your time machine.

Jim

Southern_guy
November 8, 2009, 12:24 AM
http://www.corpsecandle.com/WWIIRolemaster/Browning%20Automatic%20Rifle.JPG

Ignition Override
November 8, 2009, 12:30 AM
Based on having my first (full-length, from WW2) LE #4/1 the LE.:) Other than the LE #4, #5, my only milsurp is a MN 44.

A (marksman) friend who set some iron sight records with the AR (200 & 600 yards), had never used an LE. We were at 'MSSA' in Lakeland and he tried four rounds from 50 yards with this #4, and they were just outside the bullseye.

He then sat on the ground with no artificial support and tried one shot from 100 yards.
The hole was in the middle of the bullseye. Mike said "I quit".

Tikirocker
November 8, 2009, 06:07 AM
I think my choice is pretty obvious ... she measures .311 at the grooves and was used by my countrymen for WW1, WWII and Korea.

Tiki.

Blue Grass
November 8, 2009, 09:07 AM
Why, the Ross of course. Nothing like having the bolt come back and go thru your fore head if you don't reassemble it correctly.:eek:

4V50 Gary
November 8, 2009, 10:38 AM
Concur with Ross. Hold it at chest level and you'll get a blighty (wound) that allow you to go home for a while.

gandog56
November 8, 2009, 11:15 AM
M1 Garand

Without a doubt!

Crosshair
November 8, 2009, 12:13 PM
M1 Garand

Without a doubt!
For the last time, this is WWI we are talking about. The M1 would not be developed for another 20 years.

p99guy
November 9, 2009, 09:47 AM
Crosshair, some folks would pick laser rifle if you said pick the weapon you would use of the then availible ones, in the revolutionay war.....just something about the internets that bring out the least in people......


lol
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6816/smkings8th6sl.jpg

wamin
November 10, 2009, 08:34 AM
Made in the USA and accurate shooting the 30-06!

jsmaye
November 10, 2009, 08:52 AM
M1 Garand

Without a doubt!

For the last time, this is WWI we are talking about. The M1 would not be developed for another 20 years.

Maybe the same miracle that sent me back to WWI would allow me to take an M1. ;)

gyvel
November 10, 2009, 10:22 AM
A Lewis Gun, and Crozier could go **** himself.

Webleymkv
November 10, 2009, 11:55 PM
Either a SMLE or G1887 Schmidt-Rubin. Of course a BAR would be my first choice if you consider it a rifle rather than a LMG.

SigP6Carry
November 11, 2009, 01:32 AM
But, it's in the title, so I assume it counts. Browning Automatic Rifle.

ZEN.45
November 11, 2009, 05:27 AM
First one on the left:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2421/s6000430kp2.jpg

bcarver
November 11, 2009, 08:12 AM
Ok you all give those guys a break. I am sure their eyes are as bad as mine.
I would want a remington or winchester shotgun but for rifle an 03a3.
The rear sight just looks better.

wvshootist
November 11, 2009, 01:50 PM
It would definitely be the BAR as my first choice. I would go for a P17 or P14 for my second choice.

I was a disservice to the Americans that served in the Great War that the military commanders would not allow the BAR to be deployed over seas.

Ignition Override
November 12, 2009, 01:08 AM
Tikirocker:

What would "Jollygreenslug" (YouTube) say?

HvyMtl
November 13, 2009, 05:21 PM
Mosin Nagant? That adds a new wrinkle as the 1891 and the 1891 Dragoon were used in WWI... even had a Carbine version (1907)

Slamfire
November 13, 2009, 08:33 PM
Lee Enfield.

In one of his articles in American Rifleman, Captain Herbert McBride said it was a better battle rifle than the 03.

Better sights, ten rounds, and hardly nothing breaks.

If I had my choice of any rifle, I would pick one that had a buttstock cavity so large that I could crawl inside of it and be protected from Artillery.

I would come out after Armistice day. :D

mavracer
November 14, 2009, 11:16 AM
Ok you all give those guys a break. I am sure their eyes are as bad as mine.
I would want a remington or winchester shotgun but for rifle an 03a3.
as is your history the 03A3 wasn't adopted til 1942

Chris_B
November 14, 2009, 03:14 PM
B.A.R.

greywalker
November 15, 2009, 03:35 AM
I have shot mausers, mosins , and enfields, and for me, like many, the Enfiekld is the clear choice.... just a better rifle for having while trying not to be killed by others who are shooting at you.....

Moloch
November 15, 2009, 11:32 AM
Gewehr 98, makes the biggest holes of all infantry WWI weapons, its nearly indestructable, easy and fast to reload, accurate, foolproof, reliable, and with a bayonet attached it makes a nice pike or throwing spear.

Oh did I mention the awesome heavy recoil which makes you feel alive?:D

SigP6Carry
November 15, 2009, 03:00 PM
I'm not too impressed with the "bigger" hole of the 8mm verse 7.62, .30-06, 7.5 swiss of .303. It's a pretty incremental change in size and weight. They're all accurate and have plenty of stopping power. The K98 is a superbly built rifle, but that's not saying a whole lot, as they were all superbly built rifles (other wise we wouldn't still have them). The action of the K98, Enfield, Ross and K-11 are all butter to operate compared to most big bore rifles. But, the Ross and K-11's straight pull bolts are going to be faster to fire and the K-11 firing swiss 7.5 is like shooting a match rifle. So, after much deliberation: if I can't have my BAR, I'll take a K-11. Or an 1887.

essohbe
November 16, 2009, 06:21 PM
BAR !!

Buzzcook
November 16, 2009, 10:39 PM
People asking for a 1903a3 are doing a bit of time traveling to. During WWI your choices were the 1903 or 1903Mark I toward the end of the war which added a Peterson device.

romer12
January 19, 2010, 06:08 PM
as stated, the M1 garand did not come to being until after 1936, so that's out for WW1. The BAR 1918 did come into play, but the allies were so afraid the germans might get a BAR they withheld the BAR's from the front lines, but the war was soon overwith so the BAR never really saw WW1 service. If it did wonder about the outcome ?? So, down to a Springfield 1903.........where do I pick mine up ?????

DubC-Hicks
January 19, 2010, 06:35 PM
Not much talk about the M1891 Mosin nagant. Accurate, reliable, powerful. And with a bayonet, it might be long enough to stab someone across
no-mans land.:D Its close between that or Lee Enfield. I love the ten round mag.

NYPD13
January 19, 2010, 06:40 PM
+1 on the M1918 BAR!

garry_99
January 19, 2010, 06:47 PM
Mosin Nagant of Lee Enfield. I have read somewhere 7.92 not as good ballistcwise (is this even a word?) than 7.62 or .303. Would definetly prefer 10 round magazine though.

tater134
January 19, 2010, 07:04 PM
Honestly Id have to choose the Mle 1916 Berthier Carbine.

-Very short and light rifle.(Good in close quarters trench fighting)
-5 shot mag
-Shoots a 220gr 8mm Bullet
-Has a cover over the clip ejection port to keep out dirt and debris
-Well built and accurate
-Has big bayonet with a 15 1/2 blade
-Some rifles were also fitted with primitive night sights for low light shooting

Huffmanite
January 21, 2010, 12:08 AM
Like others have answered. The BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle). Yea, its heavy for a combat rifle, but having a 20 round mag has its advantages. During WWI, yes it was issued in small numbers and used in combat near very end of war. The WWI BAR did have selective fire, either semi auto or full automatic. Unlike the ones in WWII, which by then had been converted to only full automatic fire.

Gelgoog
January 26, 2010, 08:09 PM
Easy.

Cei-Rigotti

http://encyclodesarmes.free.fr/pays/italie/fusil/CEI-RIGOTTI/CEI-RIGOTTI.jpg

or

Fedorov Avtomat

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/fedorov1.jpg

or

Mondragon
http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/mondragon.jpg


or
Mauser Selbstlade-Karabiner
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5042/slkaf9.jpg

SIGSHR
January 26, 2010, 11:53 PM
The SMLE. I have liked the story of the Battle of Mons, where the BEF fired their SMLEs so rapidly and so accurate that the Germans thought they were facing machine guns.

Ignition Override
January 27, 2010, 12:38 AM
Despite my only Mauser (Yugo 48A) also being simple to operate, my Lee-Enfield #4 and #5s hold twice as much ammo.

And it is much easier and quicker for me to use the LE's peep sight, whether in bright sunlight or in deep shadows at 5:00 PM.
Don't get me wrong, the Mauser has just as much appeal.

Lawyer Daggit
January 27, 2010, 02:06 AM
SMLE without a doubt.

jsmaye
January 27, 2010, 08:37 AM
Easy.

Cei-Rigotti

or

Fedorov Avtomat

or

Mondragon

or
Mauser Selbstlade-Karabiner

Are these WWI rifles or just the most arcane battle rifles you could think of?:rolleyes:

rellik74
January 27, 2010, 09:44 AM
Enfield, It was good enough for Sargent York

Krag

03-A3

Panzershreck
January 27, 2010, 01:55 PM
I would choose a M1 garand BAR or thompson.














:eek: Sorry I couldn't resist :rolleyes:

hagar
January 27, 2010, 02:16 PM
Model 1917 or P14. You cannot beat the peep sights for the period. The 1917 will hold 7 rounds as well.

45Gunner
January 28, 2010, 10:57 PM
If I were to fight World War I, I would opt for either a F-16 or if I couldn't get one of those, I would most happy with a 50cal mini gun on the Warthog. Hey, you don't think I want to get back in the dirt again. I did that in another war and I do not highly recommend it. It's not the fun that some have it cracked up to be, especially since the mud is up to and in your crack.

w.ben14
January 29, 2010, 12:39 AM
i'd take my 1943 lee enfield no.4 mk1. but ammo is spendy......but it will split watermelons at well over 100 yds.........head shot!

James K
January 29, 2010, 05:21 PM
These topics are always fun, and I love the posts naming something that hadn't been invented yet, but in fact you would use whatever that large, nasty man with the stripes on his sleeves gave you and if you didn't like it, he would plant his boot up your rear end.

Same as now.

Jim

Lawyer Daggit
January 29, 2010, 07:41 PM
What I was issued with- I would not want ammo supply problems at critical times or run the risk of being mistaken for the enemy in CQB in poor light.

James K
January 29, 2010, 11:26 PM
I knew a WWII vet who told me he latched onto a "Schmeisser" (MP.38 or MP.40) early on in France. The first time he used it, he caught fire from both sides. He threw it away and got an M1 rifle.

Jim

KEN K
January 30, 2010, 08:57 AM
03 Springfield, if I'm carrying that I know I'm on the right side.

SilentHitz
January 30, 2010, 09:13 AM
03 Springfield, and a 1911...just in case someone jumped into my foxhole who was not wearing the right uniform.;)

Gelgoog
January 30, 2010, 09:34 PM
Are these WWI rifles or just the most arcane battle rifles you could think of?

yup those are all WW1 rifles. The are the first generation of repeating rifles. Alot of them saw combat on zepplins, and early airplanes ( before machine guns were mounted) and the navies used them as well.

If you thought the BAR was the first "automatic rifle" then you would be sadly mistaken.

James K
January 30, 2010, 11:16 PM
The Federov was issued to only one company, for testing, just before WWI broke out. It was used in combat, but never got into even batch production until 1920, then was never mass produced because better rifles were coming along. It was chambered for the 6.5x50.5 Japanese round.

The Mauser never got into even limited production.

The Mondragon was the only rifle of the three that had any substantial issue, but it reportedly was not very reliable.

There was not a lot of use of the BAR in WWI. It was demonstrated in France in June 1918, but significant numbers were not available until September. Even then, few were issued as Pershing wanted to wait until there were enough to equip the whole American army. (Like most other commanders, he expected the war to last into 1919.)

There was some combat use starting in late September, but the armistice was on 11 November, so the BAR's role in France lasted only a month and a half and was very limited.

Needless to say, those who would have chosen an M1 rifle, an M14, or a 7.62mm Minigun would have had a long wait.

Jim

Gelgoog
January 31, 2010, 05:22 PM
http://www.earmi.it/armi/atlas2/612.gif

43-1 - Mannlicher 1891
43-2 - Mannlicher 1893

Germania
44-1 - Mauser 1902
44-2 - Mauser 1906/08
44-3 - Mauser 1916

Danimarca
45-1 - Mauser 1896

Italia
46-1 - Cei-Rigotti 1890

Messico
47-1 - Mondragon 1908

http://www.earmi.it/armi/atlas2/614.gif

Russia
48-1 - Roscshepej o Rostschepej o Roshchepey 1905
48-2 - Fiodorov 1907/13 (anche Fjodorow o Federov)
48-3 - Fiodorov 1916, automatico

USA
49-1 - Browning 1918

Francia
50-1 - RSC (o RSZ?) 17
50-2 - RSC 18

Winchester_73
February 1, 2010, 03:47 PM
Its amazing how many people chose rifles that were not around yet. These people went to the C&R area, responded, but apparently don't know WWI weapons at all. Of course some of these people were kidding.

I own the Enfield 1917, and I like that. The other ones I never handled or shot so I have to go with what I know. The enfield 1917 has a better sighting system than the Springfield 1903.