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tyrajam
October 20, 2009, 02:07 PM
I am really dissapointed right now. I just got back from one of the best hunting trips of my life, not only because of the great deer woods but because of the time spent with Robert and Dave. Dave put us in some of his honey holes and set us up on deer. It was a fantastic time, with one tragic flaw.
This year I switched to the 3 blade rage. Heard great things about them, and that they had worked out their deployment issues. But Ihad some. Thursday afternoon I shot a doe, it was about 40 yards and I hit her low right behind the shoulder. Whack! She ran about 20 yards and bedded down. Yes! I decided to stay in my stand until dark since I didn't want to get down and ruin Robert and Daves hunt, because they were near me. Finally came down, went to where she had been, and she was gone. Picked up the blood trail, followed her for about half a mile, and jumped her. Four hours after being shot, she jumped up and ran. We backed out and decided to give it the night. I came back the next day and found her not far away, and on dressing her, found that it was a perfect shot, blades just didn't open. Oh well, I got her.
Friday night didn't go quite so well. Dave put me in a good stand, and it wasn't long before a buck caught my eye. e knew something was wrong, but he was slowly coming. Few steps, stop, wait, few more steps. I couldn't believe he kept coming, I prayed that I would see a buck, and here I WAS ABOUT TO GET MY FIRST BUCK WITH A BOW! I can't tell you how excited I was! When he stepped behind a tree at 25 yards I drew. He stepped out from behind it broadside, froze, and stared straight at me. I let fly. WHACK! Right behind the shoulder and a little high, I watched my luminok dissapear into his chest. Knees were shaking, he wasn't a big buck, but he was my first bow buck!I gave him a half an hour and climbed down. When I went to where I last saw him, I was stunned. Three little drops of blood on a leaf, and no trail. No arrow. Nothing. Dave and Robert came and helped me search, but we never found any more blood. We finally gave up for the night, but I spent the next day scouring those woods and never found a sign of him. My excitement has turned to heartache, and what should have been a wonderfull chapter in my hunting book is spoiled. I of course second guess myself: should I have waited? Did I hit to high? Maybe, maybe not. But I do know I shot a rage through two deer's rib cages, and neither one should have made it 100 yards. The rage didn't open on my first deer, and it did nothing on my buck. I'll get over it I guess, and I hope my buck does too. But I won't carry rages into the field again, that is for sure.

FrontSight
October 20, 2009, 02:21 PM
Damn, really sorry to hear. "Experience is a harsh teacher...it gives the quiz first, and the lesson second."

You will have more chances...

hogdogs
October 20, 2009, 02:26 PM
If I were a bow man I would not go with the mechanical broad heads... Give me a 3 or 4 bladed fixed head everytime...
Design says it oughta work but physics and Murphy will pee in my coffee everytime...
Brent

davlandrum
October 20, 2009, 02:35 PM
Sorry to hear about the experience.

Oregon does not allow mechanical broadheads for big game. I thought that might be antiquated, given the improvements, but maybe not.

I am not a big fan of all the "advancements" in bow hunting. I don't use a release, don't use a drop-away rest, etc. To me, in the heat of the moment, I do not need any additional things to go wrong.

Smokey Joe
October 20, 2009, 02:37 PM
with Hogdogs, Tyrajam. A plain old Muzzy 4 blade has no moving parts to not work.it oughta work but physics and Murphy will pee in my coffee everytime...Pul-eeeze! :D The mental image alone is agony!

Seriously--We owe it to our quarry to be as humanely lethal as possible. Gadgetry just gets in the way.

simonkenton
October 20, 2009, 04:04 PM
Why do you think the bow and arrow are called "primitive weapons."

.284
October 20, 2009, 04:23 PM
Sorry to hear about your bad experience.

I think that the TV personalities that pimp these products haven't even used them.

You're not alone. I bought some of the Jim Shockey gold pellets last year. The stuff wasn't that bad, but it didn't live up to all that Shockey claimed. Very inconsistent in weight.

tyrajam
October 20, 2009, 06:16 PM
.284, I did too! I tried the Shockey gold in my ML and when I was test firing it over a chrono I got variations of over 500fps! Ridiculous how worthless the stuff is.
I had heard a lot of good things about the new rages, Chuck Adams pimped them for crying out loud. And Iof course want to make the most eithical shot on an animal, and if that meant using a $12 broadhead, Iwas willing to do it. They are probably the biggest name in expandables and they were supposed to be the best. Going back to the G5 montecs.

davlandrum
October 20, 2009, 06:28 PM
G5 Montecs are awesome! (and I did not get paid to say that!!).

.284
October 20, 2009, 06:33 PM
Never never never had a problem with 100 gr. Thunderheads. Yep, been using them for about 15 years now.

wpcexpert
October 20, 2009, 06:42 PM
Sorry to hear about you losing your deer. It's always a gut wrenching feeling. I just don't know about those Rage's. My dad shoots them. The only problem he's had was the ferrul bending. He's always had great wound channels though.

I don't like them. Personally I perfer Grim Reaper Broadheads. Never had a failure to open, always great blood trails, dead deer. There are mixed reviews on everything in the world. I trust the mechanical broadhead that I use. Until it gives me a reason otherwise.

If you are looking for a great mechanical to try out, give the Grim Reapers a look.

Brian Pfleuger
October 20, 2009, 07:10 PM
I hate to blame the hunter but... Well, you obviously didn't hit the vitals on either shot. You can shoot a deer through the lungs with a field point and it won't go very far.


Secondarily, stick with the 2-blade. The 3 blade version is less reliable and no more deadly. However, like I said, hit them where you're supposed to and a field point will kill them VERY quickly.

There are two sections, one above and in front and the other above and behind the lungs, that are "no mans land". Deer will run forever and hardly bleed if hit there. Also, if you hut the shoulder bone and penetration is limited to one lung then the deer will likewise run forever.

444
October 20, 2009, 07:25 PM
That is a shame. And, I am surprised to hear it.
I just started bow hunting and hunted this year with Rage two blade broadheads. I never got a shot, so no first hand experience. However, prior to buying them, I spent some time reading the various archery forums. It seemed like the Rages were the most frequently discussed broadhead out there and this is the first negative thing I have read about them from somebody that has actually used them.
I don't know about the three blade vs. two blade. I believe everything I read was the two blade.

trooper3385
October 20, 2009, 08:05 PM
I've been wanting to try the 2 blade rage broadheads but have hesitated because of things like this I hear about mechanicals in general, not just the rage broadheads. I've been usin the G5 Strikers and they have worked good. I have the same POI with the G5's as I do my field points. I haven't used them on deer yet, just hogs and neither one ran more than 20 yds. I bought some thunderheads also and they hit nearly identical to the G5's. I'm going to start using the thunderheads on hogs instead of the G5's since there a little cheaper. I don't mean to hijack this, but does anyone know where you can buy the replacement blades for the strikers? I bought those over the Montecs so I could just replace the blades, but I can't find the replacements anywhere.

.284
October 20, 2009, 08:55 PM
Pizza makes a good point here. IMHO, broadheads get the blood flowing for tracking purposes....heck, a well placed 22 round will take down a deer, why wouldn't a field tip? I would take stock in his opinion, with a handle "Pizza Killer" he's not going walk too far to track a deer. I doubt he's often mistaken for Brad Pitt.....sorry Pizza.

zahnzieh
October 20, 2009, 09:41 PM
Wow, I'm really sorry to hear about your hunt! I personally shoot mechanicals, but i refuse to shoot 3-bladed ones - just takes too much energy to deploy, wont penetrate. I shoot the predecessor to the Rage - the 2-bladed Snyper broadhead (Rocky MTn. co.)- discontinued in 2007. Bought as many as I could from Cabela's before they quit. Anyway, I've heard bad things about the 2-bladed Rage as well - they are a copy of the Snyper but use an O-ring instead of a rubber band. IMHO O-rings are unreliable - have heard unsatisfactory results despite their "guarantee". So much for all the hype. Hope this helps.

longrange08
October 21, 2009, 04:35 PM
I started using the rage this year after seeing first hand what my buddies did to a deer we had to stick twice due to my poor shot the first time.i bought some of the rage two blade and they have proven to be AMAZING 3 does this year none went past 75 yards all looked like they had been stabbed with a butcher knife just a STUPID big cut all 3 passed thru and all three left a trail ray charles could follow. im not saying stuff dont happen. i wouldnt advise them for still hunting cause they are prone to snagging and having a blade pulled loose. but from a stand i wont ever hunt with anything else. now i dont speak for the 3 blade cause ive never used one. but the two blades are DEVISTATING!!!!!!!!!!

JagFarlane
October 21, 2009, 07:37 PM
Hmmmm I've been leery of the mechanical heads since they came out. Nice concept, sure they work for some people, but I like knowing that the blades are already out. Just getting back into bows myself, picking up everything now with plans to go out next year. But, the ones I picked up are the Muzzy MX-4's. Muzzy's got a great rep, they make solid heads and should do quite well. Only other ones I would contemplate are the Montec's.

Daryl
October 21, 2009, 08:14 PM
Many years ago, I shot an antelope with a Thunderhead broadhead (fixed blade). It wasn't a perfect hit, but it died after about a 100 yard sprint.

The next year, someone talked me into using a Vortex mechanical head. They were supposed to be more accurate, and very effective. I shot an antelope with one, and while it was a classic hit in the lower chest, the arrow didn't penetrate well. The antelope ran 100 yards or so, and laid down. So, I waited for an hour or so, but it wouldn't die. Finally, I tried to sneak up on it, but when I got about 40 yards from it, it got back up and ran another 50=70 yards before laying down again. So, I waited some more. Finally I stalked up on it and got another arrow in it...and it was already dead. The first arrow didn't penetrate very deeply, so it took a while to bleed out.

And I've been using fixed blade broadheads successfully ever since.

;)

Daryl

shortwave
October 21, 2009, 11:00 PM
I gave him a half hour and climbed down... Unless I can physically watch the deer expire from my stand, I don`t come out of stand for a good hour. Thats on a shot I know I put 'in the boiler room'. On a questionable shot, I wouldn`t start a trail for a good 3-4 hrs. I`ve never used Rage broadheads but have/do use Rocky Mountain 'Gators'. They`re two bladed, scissor style operated broadheads. Used to use Snuffers and Muzzies and I`ll say the wound channel/blood trail with these Gators is better than the fixed bladed broadheads. Couple of things you may want to do. Make sure your blades operate freely from the package and oil them with a bit of vegetable oil. Second, don`t know what kind of bow your using or weight/fps your shooting but is it possible your bows to fast and not giving the Rage`s a chance to open. Just thinking of some possibilies:confused: P.S. I think all bow hunter`s that have been at the game very long have had the experience of shooting a deer and not being able to find it. Thats a very bad feeling and if you ever get to the point it doesn`t bother you, please quit hunting. Sorry for your lose.

Brian Pfleuger
October 22, 2009, 10:07 AM
heck, a well placed 22 round will take down a deer, why wouldn't a field tip? I would take stock in his opinion, with a handle "Pizza Killer" he's not going walk too far to track a deer. I doubt he's often mistaken for Brad Pitt.....sorry Pizza.


Funny you should mention that. Just this monday I didn't do my part and made a crappy shot on a big doe. Fortunately, the 2-blade Rage DID do it's part. We had to track her for MANY hundreds of yards after we realized that she quit bleeding much if we didn't stay on her. Anyway, after tracking her for probably close to 1000 yards, at least 300 of it LITERALLY on our hands and knees through brush which had it not been for the blood I would never have believed a chihuahua would fit through much less a deer, we finally ran her out of blood. I hit her in a bad spot high in the neck just in front of the shoulder. If I had been using ANYTHING that cut a smaller hole than the Rage then I would have NEVER been able to follow the trail, much less for the distance that she would have gone if that hole had been smaller.

What I like about the Rage is that it makes my bad shots better. Now, don't get me wrong, most of my shots aren't bad shots but how can you argue with something that makes you better when things go wrong? After all, a field point will kill a deer without running 75 or 100 yards if everything is perfect. I don't need help when everything is right, I need something that makes the "Oh crap" moment work out for me. The two blade Rage does that for me. When it doesn't work out, I sure don't blame the blade.

davlandrum
October 22, 2009, 10:43 AM
I sure don't blame the blade.

If the blade failed to deploy correctly, I would

tyrajam
October 22, 2009, 11:23 AM
Thanks for all of the replies guys, the advise and the criticism. My buddy has some pics of the doe I shot and I'm trying to get them from him so I can post them, because it was a good shot. It was low, right behind the shoulder. When I dressed her out, I found the wound channel brushed right by the heart without hurting much of anything. If the blades would have deployed, she would probably would have never made it out of sight.

On the buck I shot, I didn't recover him OR the arrow, so I can only speculate. It looked like I hit him high, it's possible it was in the "no mans land" below the spine but above the lungs. If the blades would have deployed, they should have at least left a little more blood, but nothing. Also, since the arrow didn't exit (First time ever I had an arrow not exit), I assume there was some kind of failure. Like one poster said, a field tip through both lungs will kill a deer cleanly. But if the broadhead gums it up enough to not even let the arrow penetrate through, that is a problem. I know I'm not perfect, and a better shot probably would have killed the deer cleanly, and thats what Have to regret. However, if the shots would have been with a fixed blade, or an expandable that deployed, both deer would have fallen quickly.

davlandrum
October 22, 2009, 11:52 AM
Is it possible you hit the inside of the off-side shoulder and that kept the arrow from passing through?

tyrajam
October 22, 2009, 12:18 PM
Yeah Dave, I thought about that, especially since the rage is not made to break shoulders. That could have kept the arrow from passing through, plus the arrow would be plugging the entrance hole making a poor blood trail. BTW Dave, I was born in Lane County and my grandparents still live in Veneta.

Brian Pfleuger
October 22, 2009, 12:20 PM
If the blade failed to deploy correctly, I would

You can blame the blade for not deploying, which may make for a difficult blood trail, but you can't blame the blade for shot placement.... which is 99% of what makes a deer dead or not dead.


To the OP:

Do you not have trackers in your area? People with dogs that are sanctioned by the environmental agency for tracking wounded deer?

davlandrum
October 22, 2009, 12:43 PM
Agreed.

Tyrajam - my hunting partner lives out in Veneta, off Fleck road. Still kinda "country", but all the development out that way is slowing changing that.

I live between Coburg and Harrisburg. My place is for sale if you want to move back - 9 acres, 4 bedroom farmhouse, barn, etc.....

kyle1974
October 22, 2009, 01:30 PM
I've lost animals with fixed blade and mechanical blades.... so where does that leave me?

you have to have confidence with your equipment, but I think way too many of these "bad broadhead" stories are just less than ideal shots.

I've had had my shortest trail using a 3 blade rage... it was a pig about 125 lbs, and it ran less than 10 yards. I shot it at 23 yards, and it went through the front shoulder, exited through the ribcage and traveled several yards past the pig. I have also had some longer trails with the rage. I still like them because after looking at the wounds, there is no fixed blade that can compare... but if you don't think they will work, then they won't...

perhaps with lower draw weight bows, the big mechanicals aren't that great, but they are mainly a cutting entry, they odn't take that much energy to deply... try pushing on a blade and see how hard it is.... it's not much.

Farmland
October 22, 2009, 03:44 PM
I'm one of the lucky ones that has never lost a deer archery hunting. I practice a lot all year long. I can tell you if the blades do not open up it isn't fun.

About 10 years ago I had a nice back that was close , broadside and head down. I hit the right spot and was stunned when the deer jumped and took off. I waited about 30 minutes and started the process of following the trail. There was some blood but not enough for the shot. However luck was on my side I found the deer laying down with it head up. I was able to get close and followed with a shot to the neck. Again a perfect hit and the deer got up and ran. I was stunned for the second time.

I waited and again followed the trail only to find the buck a short time latter still alive and laying down. The only shot I had was really to hit its back around the shoulder. This time I succeeded.

To make a long story short I had been practicing prior to going out in the evening. I make habit of practicing with the arrows I am going to use. Yes I still had the target points on and had failed to change back to the broadheads.

So I can feel you pain of them not opening for you.

Brian Pfleuger
October 22, 2009, 04:26 PM
I hit the right spot and was stunned when the deer jumped and took off. I waited about 30 minutes and started the process of following the trail. There was some blood but not enough for the shot. However luck was on my side I found the deer laying down with it head up. I was able to get close and followed with a shot to the neck. Again a perfect hit and the deer got up and ran. I was stunned for the second time....Yes I still had the target points on and had failed to change back to the broadheads.


IMHO, you could NOT have hit the right spot. "The right spot" in archery hunting is BOTH lungs. If you hit both lungs with ANYTHING then the animal will be dead in SECONDS. If you waited 30 minutes and the deer was still alive then there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that you hit both lungs.

Crap happens, but no one should take a shot with a bow and arrows where there is not a very high degree of certainty that BOTH lungs will be hit. I've had my share of shots that didn't work out like I planned and I didn't hit both lungs, however, if I didn't hit both lungs then I DIDN'T hit the "right spot".

If you hit both lungs, even with a field point, then that animal has taken it's last breathe and has no more than 10-15 seconds of consciousness.

Farmland
October 22, 2009, 04:42 PM
That would be great and if everyone could shoot 100% and hit one lung that is great. The right spot to me is the area that will in fact do that. However can you be off just a fraction of a inch? You bet you can, now as far as I remember I had clipped the lungs on the first shot.

I must be pretty good at the right spot since I have never lost a deer and in fact this is the only one that I can remember that ever ran more than a few feet.

In any event hitting a deer with a field tip or broadhead that doesn't open can result in unexpected things.

Did I do the right thing at shooting at a deer in the neck since that was the only open shot on a deer that I had hit 100% where you should have the first time? AT the time I thought so. Should I have taken the last shot with the deer showing the only open shot the back? It worked for a kill at the time. After all I had an arrow through the chest / lung area and the neck. I just didn't know it was a very small hole.

In any event things happen and the main point is that you are in fact at a disadvantage when a broadhead doesn't open or you do something stupid like using fieldtips.

2damnold4this
October 22, 2009, 06:02 PM
I think there is a reason we use broadheads when hunting and not field points. Broadheads do more damage. It's not necessarily about leaving a bigger blood trail, it's about doing more damage. If I jam an ice pick through my hand, I will bleed but I will bleed less than if I had stuck a butcher knife through my hand because an icepick does less damage.


A deer hit in both lungs with a 30-06 might be able run up to two hundred yards due to the oxygen stored in the muscles but the quicker it loses blood pressure to the brain, the quicker it will stop.

langenc
October 23, 2009, 07:48 PM
Bear razorheads

bamaranger
October 25, 2009, 03:01 AM
I have become something of a fanatic on broadhead lethality and try to autopsy me deer as best I can, and get a bit leery of fast follow ups.

And having lost a deer now and then, there is no worse feeling. If you ever get to "brushing it off" stop hunting.

I believe there are several "undead zones" ( I stole this from somewhere) on a deer: one is high, ahead of the diaphram, but that does not cut the descending aorta, not lacerate the lungs and I believe the deer can survive.

Another is right at the diaphram. This will be fatal, but a deer can survive a long time. the lungs get barely lacerated, as does the liver. the diaphram serves to channel some of the internal bleeding back into the paunch, and a trail will be scarce. the arrow will look good, no gut showing and lots of blood, and the impression will be a doulble lung hit. If you are the least bit doubtful that your shot was maybe to far back, give the deer minimum 6 hrs.
Overnight is better. And do not try to follow, but sneak out, awoy from deer and playing the wind in your favor.

On a quiatering shot, there is the "one lunger" the arrow passe ahead of the diaphram, lacerates one lung, but misses big arteries and the other lung, usually exiting low due to tree stand shot. I have seen deer so hit go 6 hrs plus, and followed to soon, run long distances and be lost.

If you do not see your deer go down, are not absolutely certain of a GOOD hit, or hear a crash, avoid a 30-60 minute follow up.

If you do not recover your deer on a reasonable distance on the initial followup, one did not likely get the hit they thought, and its time to bvack off and reassess.

I shoot Bear Razorheads, have for over 30 years. Murphy again

zahnzieh
October 26, 2009, 07:33 PM
Again, The Rage broadheads rely on an O-ring which tends to wear out especially if re-used. The blades need to "click" into position to work properly and a worn O-ring will cause premature opening in quiver etc... Then add the added complexity and energy needed to deploy 3 blades . . I will not use 3-bladed mechanicals - just not necessary. Other bad mechanicals i have tried - Crimsopn talons and Spitfires.

wpcexpert
October 26, 2009, 08:36 PM
Well, I've never not had a broadhead open. On animals, targets...whatever. Never have seen it in the 20 or so different mechanicals that I have shot. Over thousands of shots

As far as shot placement, your statement bothers me a bit...
if everyone could shoot 100% and hit one lung that is great....you be off just a fraction of a inch?

If everyone was 100%, every shot would be a heart and double lung. And yes, I can be off by a fraction of an inch. But I promise you that a fraction of an inch is not going to make a difference where I'm aiming...5 inches maybe.

A deer can be killed in any direction he/she is facing...and I'll shoot it there. The vitals can be reached. I've seen deer go down in 30 yds from a slam liver hit, and go 150 from a double lung(not mine, 3 blade Muzzy). It's all up to the deer. I'm not going to say that I've never lost a deer, but the ones I've lost were not due to me taking a questionable shot, they were deflections or not realizing the how the deer was quartering. I'm confident in my equipment and abilities to put my arrow where needed. But on the same hand, if I'm not 100% sure, I don't shoot.

bamaranger:
Another Dead zone is high and forward thru the shoulder. Limited blood on the arrow and speckled at best on the ground. Trailed a few of those, and one of my own. Never found any.

zahnzieh:
The Spitfire is tied for most lethal broad I've ever shot. There are problems with sharp quartering away shots. The blades sometimes catch before the tip and "flip" before the tip penetrates. (hunting terminology can sound so dirty) But they are one of the best for broadside shots. Nasty even.

I've never heard of State Ordained Trackers. I know guys with good dogs, but none affiliated with the state.

bamaranger
October 28, 2009, 02:10 AM
A while back, I took a shot at a meat buck. It was evening, but still shooting light. range was under 15yds. I was in a tree stand, about 15 feet up (low for me) The stand was on a moderate hillside, the deer was downhill, so I was likely 20 ft up from the deer. All this to say the angle for the shot was sorta steep. The shot looked ok. The arrow said pass through, but little blood on the arrow, and less on the ground. I got 2 friends and we tried to track, for hours, no luck.

Three months later, another guy who hunts the same property brought a cape by the house. It was the meat buck. He'd killed it w/ a rifle couple of days before. He and the cape told this story. The arrow had deflected off the shoulder blade, entering, passing beneath the hide, and exiting about 4-6 inches lower, all on the shoulder blade. Never got in the cavity. He said deer acted fine and the wound was clearly completely healed!!

Bad shot on my part, 3 inches off and steep angle didn't help. Failed to focus ( I KNEW I'd get him) and blew it.

Good news. Some do survive.

tyrajam
October 29, 2009, 10:50 AM
OK, here's the pic of the doe I shot. I told you guys it wasn't a bad shot, I was very surprised she stayed on her feet. I guess sometimes that just happens.

http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv112/oregonzach/ragedoe.jpg

bamaranger
November 1, 2009, 03:51 AM
Shooting multiple field points at a deer, and not realizing it, is about the craziest darn thing I have ever heard.

castnblast
November 1, 2009, 08:43 PM
I never trusted the way those rage broadheads open. I have had Excellent luck with my relatively inexpensive Sidewinders. They have a large "catch" that grips and rips them open. The rages have oposing forces that open them, and I can see how could be susceptable to not opening. I have lost count of the number of animals I've killed with those, and the broadheads opened every time. I thought I had my first failure last year, but turns out when the buck jumped the string, and I caught him above the back strap. I know so, because I saw him (nice 10) during doe season, w/a hole above his shoulder. I've seen him this year, and I hope to whack him.

I went to expandables 6 years ago, when my son was born - I didn't want him to get his fingers in my quiver accidentally. I have had such good luck, and their accuracy is so perfect, I won't go back to fixed blades.

wpcexpert
November 3, 2009, 11:45 AM
I told you guys it wasn't a bad shot

So...what's the big hole in her neck from?

Also, judging from the hole in her shoulder...the blades opened just fine. An arrow doesn't make that kind of hole unless the blades open.

Brian Pfleuger
November 3, 2009, 12:16 PM
BTW:

As I mentioned, stick with the 2-blade Rage. This wound is from the 2-Blade (just got this guy last night). He went 40 yards. This picture is untouched, literally, this is the exact position that the deer was in when we found him. Hit one lung and the aorta.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53362&stc=1&d=1257268551

bamaranger
November 4, 2009, 02:47 AM
That is an amazing wound, am I correct in believing it is an exit?

Is that the throat patch on the neck, just above? At risk of taking thread in wrong direction, can you describe the shot, angles, distance, etc.

Brian Pfleuger
November 4, 2009, 11:18 AM
That is an amazing wound, am I correct in believing it is an exit?

No, that's what's amazing about the Rage. That's the ENTRANCE. In fact, there was no exit. We haven't cut him up yet, but I believe I hit the shoulder on the other side. I actually hit a little lower than would be ideal, though it's hard to argue with the results. I was about 20 feet up a tree, he was about 18 yards slightly quartering away. Thats the wonder of the Rage. More than any other broadhead I've seen it makes bad shots "mediocre", mediocre shots "good" and good shots "unbelievable". My only gripe is that the blades are sensitive to be dislodged while walking with a nocked arrow, but as a tree stand blade, they're unbeatable.

bamaranger
November 4, 2009, 10:24 PM
I have seen a lot of broadhead wounds, all from fixed blades, mine or others.

I have never seen anything like that, on an ENTRANCE wound!!!!!! Its hard to argue against those kind of results.

My old Razorheads don't have to "open", but.....still, ......if I believed mechanicals would do that every time, I'd reconsider the issue.

BTW
Used to hunt w/ a group of fellows/club that used the Simmons Interceptor, which is a BIG fixed blade, 175 gr, can't remember the cut diameter, it was at least 1.5-1.75" It was killer, but needed heavy draw weight and large arrows/fletch to stabilize and not drop like a rock. All of them have switched to something more conventional as they aged and have reduced draw/holding weight.

Brian Pfleuger
November 4, 2009, 10:29 PM
Sorry, I forgot to tell you exactly where that hole is.... that "patch" of white is just ruffled hair on the shoulder. The right leg is the portion extending off the right center of the picture. The impact was roughly 1/3 of the way up the side, just behind the shoulder. Obviously effective, but lower than would be ideal for the distance and height off the ground.

hardluk1
November 5, 2009, 01:45 PM
I have stayed with cut on contact broad heads for years . Some time harder to tune a bow with them but they always work . Also a friend has used the g5 montec from there begining and it is the same basic type of blade. They always tend to open a gapping wound even if there is know pass thru. And hay Nuggent has use cut on contact for years with lower poundage than most of use shoot. Can't be all bad.