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screech8710
October 17, 2009, 08:39 PM
What is the max effective range of an M1a standard? I just bought one a few months ago and I like to test myself on distance. Can anyone tell me?

mapsjanhere
October 18, 2009, 07:53 AM
Effective at doing what? The 308 can be used up to 1000 yards if you can pull it off. Personally I put a line at 300, but that's more my shooting than rifle limitations.

az_imuth
October 18, 2009, 08:41 AM
According to FM23-8 (M14 Field manual)

Effective range without bipod---460 meters
Effective range with bipod------700 meters

Edward429451
October 18, 2009, 09:01 AM
and I like to test myself on distance.

...then shouldn't you be in the field instead of on the 'puter?:D

M1A Owner
October 18, 2009, 10:06 AM
Screech,

Are you looking to buy one? I bought one yesterday and I'm dying to take it to the range. I also have a SOCOM 16, but just starting to learn about the M1A family. Any thoughts/advice you have for me is appreciated. Thanks.

Ralph Allen
October 18, 2009, 11:39 AM
If you are looking to engage soft targets, 800 meters is about the norm on max range.
Ralph

M1A Owner
October 19, 2009, 07:12 AM
What is the max range for the M1A Standard with just iron sights? I know all shooters are different, but what is a good average? Thanks in advance.

Art Eatman
October 19, 2009, 07:41 AM
You guys need to do some thinking about what is meant by "effective". So far, the usage in this thread is rather sloppy.

For instance, one military usage defines effective as the distance at which the bullet will penetrate a particular kind of helmet.

For some people, it means the distance for which an ethical clean kill on a game animal is probable.

M1A Owner, a question: What do you mean by max range? How far the bullet can travel is the common usage for max range.

M1A Owner
October 19, 2009, 09:30 AM
Art,

I apologize for the vague question.

What is the approx. range pertaining to a clean game kill (deer, etc.), using iron sights/scope?

mapsjanhere
October 19, 2009, 10:44 AM
if you check the ballistic chart
http://www.shootingtimes.com/ballistics/308_winchester.html
you can see that with sights zero at 200 you are seeing an 8" drop at 300 yards. Anything past 250 yards will require a lot of experience estimating distances or a rangefinder to find your holding point, open sights or scope. The bullet will have plenty of power to take a deer at 500 and elk at 300.

GeauxTide
October 19, 2009, 11:21 AM
Go to the range and shoot with the iron at 100, 200, and 300 yards. You'll want a scope. If I'm shooting at game over 300 yards, I want a minumum 6.5, 129gr. game bullet starting over 3000fps.

azredhawk44
October 19, 2009, 11:42 AM
M1A Owner:

I ring the gong at my local range (300 yards) using my M14 with boring regularity from seated or prone positions.

That's with 150gr cheapo ball FMJ ammo.

It shoots flatter and more consistently over longer ranges with heavier more streamlined bullets, such as 165gr BTSP hunting bullets. I find 165gr BTSP hornady and 168gr BTHP match hornady bullets to shoot identically from my M14 out past 300 yards.

A paper plate is no problem with my chosen load at 300, and I've carried my M14 out to elk camp (no shot opportunity though:().

Competitive shooters learn their M1 Garands and M14's so well that they shoot iron sights out to 1000 yards.

If you can identify game and range the distance, you can kill it with an M14 and irons... if you do your practice.

M1A Owner
October 19, 2009, 01:19 PM
Thanks to everyone who responded. I really appreciate it. I've been shooting M4's and M16's (military) long enough they seem to take a form closer to a paper weight and I am real excited about the SA family. Something different! Please continue to respond to this thread or pass on any good information concerning the M1A Standard/SOCOM 16. I look forward to putting some rounds downrange with both of them.

SR420
October 19, 2009, 01:27 PM
I recommend the standard 22" and the optional 18" barreled variants.
There is nothing wrong with the SOCOM, but I think you will better appreciate the 18" & 22".

This is one of mine with an 18" barrel.
http://www.athenswater.com/images/Suppressed-MK14-Mod1.jpg

One of mine with a 22" barrel.
http://www.athenswater.com/images/Suppressed-M21A5-RRM.jpg