Force on Force Training

[NightSight]

After reading other recent threads and hearing about various FOF training, I have realized that FOF would be a valuable training tool. How often do you practice FOF?? Also, how do you set up FOF scenarios?? I am looking more for armed citizen scenarios as I am neither LEO nor military. Please describe in detail as much as possible. Thanks in advance for the input.

[Lee Lapin]

There's no way I would participate in FoF except with FoF-trained and experienced instructors in a professional training environment. It's flat out too dangerous otherwise.

YMMV of course.

lpl

[smince]

We do FoF with gas blow-back AirSoft guns, NOK training knives and paintball masks. Not any more dangerous than a game of paintball.

But, to each his own:rolleyes:

[MLeake]

... and more in the locations used.

IE exercises that were in public view have sometimes drawn fatal attention from LEO's or armed civilians, who mistook what they were seeing.

For that matter, a bunch of out-of-shape, middle-aged guys running around and diving behind hard objects for cover without proper training and supervision could also be a recipe for disaster.

Those would be the two likeliest risks I'd foresee. Those would be mitigated by properly trained instructors, and a well-selected and properly setup training site.

Of course, proper safety equipment will help vs the actual airsoft/etc weapons.

[Lee Lapin]

But, to each his own

Yeah, right. OK.

Get your hands on a copy of Training at the Speed of Life and read all the little anecdotes- or obituaries- in there re. the LEOs who died doing FoF training for various reasons, and tell me some more about how safe it is. Go through a three person shakedown/pat-down/wanding before you go into a fully isolated scenario run by paid professionals trained in running FoF and see how it compares with what you do before you launch a paintball game.

Blow off the importance of being extra careful in FoF all you want, but as far as I'm concerned it's no less critical than the Four Rules. It's too easy for live ammo/live firearms/live blades to show up and get used by accident if due caution is not exercised to keep them out. And that means in the hands of participants in the exercise, not random people who wander into the scenario- though that can be a problem also if due caution is not used.

lpl

[smince]

OK, I'll admit I thought you were discussing danger from the projectile of the Airsoft or simunition when I first read the post.

However, each scenario/drill I've participated in, everyone was triple checked and patted down by a partner.

Are there statistics for LE vs citizens injured/killed in FoF training?