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Falcon5NZ
October 15, 2009, 05:25 AM
Hey all.
Don't know if this should be in GDF or here but I'll start here (Mods don't hesitate to move).
What was the purpose of this? Was it to allow it to be slung more securely when marching with it?
On a related point-In an early episode of Band of Brothers you see a soldier (think it was Capt. Winters) firing his Garand with an en-bloc clip wedged onto the sling. Was this standard/recommended/allowed?

Nick

Polydorus
October 15, 2009, 06:14 AM
I've seen en-bloc clips wedged onto the sling during fire fights in a number of movies. Looks like a convenient place to grab your next 8 or 16 rounds.

JAG06
October 15, 2009, 11:35 AM
There are only 2 sling swivels.

mp25ds4
October 15, 2009, 11:40 AM
no theres 3, 2 are on the front half of the barrel

armsmaster270
October 15, 2009, 12:17 PM
I'm with Jag06 the second sling mount is a Stacking Swivel it's open in the center about 1/2 inch.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff207/armsmaster270/writings/300px-Garand-1.jpg

The Stacking Swivel is above the ^ mark.

Chipperman
October 15, 2009, 12:53 PM
Yes, the one in front is a sticking swivel. It allowed 3 or more guns to be stacked together like a teepee.

Walter
October 15, 2009, 04:57 PM
In this age of black plastic rifles, a stacking swivel (which IS what it is)
seems positively archaic to a lot of the younger generation.
When I did my boot camp rifle range time at Camp Pendleton in 1968, we
spent all morning one day stacking and unstacking our M14s. Who knows
why, because as soon as we got to ITR, we were issued M16s, and
I never laid hands on an M14 again.
:(

Walter

Orlando
October 15, 2009, 05:42 PM
Its a stacking swivel

http://mauser98.com/stack10.jpg

armsmaster270
October 15, 2009, 06:24 PM
Orlando you did me one better, I like your picture it brings back memories.

ReadyOnTheRight
October 15, 2009, 07:28 PM
This is why everyone needs at least 3 Garands. :)

mp25ds4
October 15, 2009, 07:46 PM
thats pretty cool orlando i didnt know that

Falcon5NZ
October 16, 2009, 06:33 AM
So THAT's how it's done!!!! I never even thought of that. That's damned cool. And yes I am one of the younger generation (19). However unlike most guys my age i prefer the Garand to the Deagle :barf: (My mates at the hostel I lived at knew that calling a Desert Eagle a Deagle was one way to get me seriously peeved)
Is it just a case of slotting them in or is there a knack to it?
Redy on the Right- You mean "This is why everyone needs Garands in multiples of 3."?:D

James K
October 16, 2009, 01:47 PM
The British called it a "piling swivel". Same thing.

FWIW, only a few real M1 rifles were used in BoB. Most were plastic dummies, but some had holes in the top so the actors could be seen inserting dummy plastic clips. A year or so ago, the NRA museum had a display of those "rifles" and "ammo". They were cleverly made, but even in the movie an experienced eye could see that the guns were fakes.

Jim

Ronbo1
October 16, 2009, 02:59 PM
It is a little off the topic but how does a sling attach to a 1903A3? Have a WWII GI canvas sling and am not sure how to hook it on properly.

Orlando
October 16, 2009, 03:29 PM
Same way as a Garand. Clip on buttstock, loop through the front swivel

Ronbo1
October 16, 2009, 03:48 PM
Found a how to link after a search with some pictures.

http://www.ray-vin.com/tech/websling/webslinghelp.htm

Chris_B
October 16, 2009, 06:55 PM
re: en-blocs stuck in the sling

You can find many photos of actual US troops in WWII with clips wedged into their slings. Seems to be an ETO thing, or perhaps I've only ever seen photos of ETO troops that did this

Chris_B
October 16, 2009, 06:57 PM
Great photo, Orlando!

Should you tell them all there's only two Garands in that photo, or shall I? ;) Handy that the '03 is the same length as the M1, eh?

dahermit
October 16, 2009, 07:14 PM
re: en-blocs stuck in the sling

You can find many photos of actual US troops in WWII with clips wedged into their slings. Seems to be an ETO thing, or perhaps I've only ever seen photos of ETO troops that did this The author of the book, "About Face", Col. David Hackworth enlisted in the army just at the end of WWII, served in Italy, was an enlisted man in the Korean War. Mentioned how he had seen "old timers" stick a clip or two onto the slings of their M1s. Said it really looked like they knew what they were doing (looked cool) so he emulated them...until he discovered that if you had to "hit the dirt" quickly into the mud, the mud would render the loaded clip useless until it was cleaned. So, after a few such mishaps, he stopped doing it. Nevertheless, it did seem to been practiced in Korea as well as the European Theater of Operations during WWII.

armsmaster270
October 16, 2009, 07:54 PM
Damn good catch Chris.

Falcon5NZ
October 17, 2009, 12:56 AM
I was going to ask about the "bolt action Garand" but thought I'd better not seeing as I learnt something:D

Chris_B
October 17, 2009, 08:43 AM
I was going to ask about the "bolt action Garand" but thought I'd better not seeing as I learnt something

Well that deserves a photo then! :)
Smith-Corona 1903A3 on the left, Springfield M1 rifle on right. Everything for and on the rifles is original USGI with the exception of the Lyman sight on the '03A3 and the sling on the M1. The '03A3 is my Dad's, the M1 is mine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/M1903M1.jpg

nolmsted
October 18, 2009, 09:37 AM
great pictures - I have several Garands and I was never sure what that swivel was for - thanks

armsmaster270
October 18, 2009, 10:27 PM
Chris your Garand sling is the same as we had on our Garands when I went to Boot Camp in 64

Chris_B
October 20, 2009, 06:37 PM
I was wondering what vintage it was supposed to be, thanks! I've gone to a 1907 style repro sling though...the tan sling pictured slipped on me when I picked up the rifle last summer. Nearly damaged the floor when the M1 hit it. :D

Orlando
October 20, 2009, 06:42 PM
Tan sling is ither a kakhi that is faded or is a reproduction. I'm guessing reproduction. Canvas slings were used in WWII along with the 1907 leather

Chris_B
October 20, 2009, 07:45 PM
Absolutely, yes. As I indicated, that sling is repro. I have seen many photos of web slings in use on the Cotentin peninsula in 1944, and I have seen photos of dug-up relics that were once the buckles and hooks from web slings from battlefields in Europe. So there is no question that web slings were in use- PTO and ETO

However, in regards to 'khaki', that is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. I have a WWI vintage cartridge belt that is the same color as the repro sling pictured above. But as for 'khaki'...never really existed like that, it was shades of OD green :) and truth be told, even on the same pouch, jacket, or trousers, several shades of OD green could be seen, and some faded faster than others, while some were obviously different when new. There's an original Mills produced 1911 .45 magazine pouch that I have, where two shades of OD green can bee seen. The inside surface with the Mills stamps was not sun faded ;) It's a much better example than my cartridge belt, as the mag pouch is pretty cherry while the belt was used heavily by my Pop in the '60s for holding ammo when he went to the range

As you can see...quite close to the color of my repro sling. "Khaki" is a subject collectors go nuts over and debate endlessly. Suffice to say that a wide swath of "Olive Drab Green" was used, some of which really does look like what is considered "Khaki", when you consider that the inside surface of the material was never sun faded. They did not get real choosy with fabric colors. The pistol belt is original WWII as well, and is probably fairly sun faded but not horribly as evidenced by the clear "US" stamp. But compare the outer surface of the pouch 'body' to the flap with the printing, and to the belt. Some belts were very green, some were close to tan, some pouches were darker, some light like this one, and there's two different colors to the pouch if you look closely

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/b4pouch-1.jpg

Compare to the very sun faded cartridge belt

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/Chuck_Older/M1905beltscab.jpg

Anyway, the sling on the right in my photo is definitely a reproduction and if you could see the buckle the nature of it would be evident

Orlando
October 20, 2009, 07:59 PM
Sorry, missed that in your post that it was a repro

Chris_B
October 20, 2009, 08:05 PM
No problem, I got a chance to go find some photos! :D

gyvel
October 24, 2009, 03:39 AM
When I did my boot camp rifle range time at Camp Pendleton in 1968, we
spent all morning one day stacking and unstacking our M14s

How do you go about stacking M-14s?

Walter
October 24, 2009, 10:28 PM
How do you go about stacking M-14s?

I've been thinking about that, and I would have sworn we used stacking swivels, but we may have used the front sling swivels. I know we didn't use the slings.

I distinctly remember stacking the dern things, but you would think I could remember how we did it.
It's only been 40 years since.

Walter