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mrnkc130
October 15, 2009, 02:56 AM
I have begun my browsing stage for a machine gun and ofcourse the biggest issue is the cost... I'm willing to pay but having that much cash on hand that my wife would let me spend on one is another issue...My question to everyone that already has a FA is; why doesnt anyone take credit cards???? every class 3 dealer I have found does not accept credit cards, does anyone know why this is? Is there some law against it? The only guy I got to explain his policy said he once sold a bunch of guns after 9/11 and the credit card companies held his money for a few weeks or something like that so he doesnt deal with them anymore...Is this pretty much an industry standard? or did I just talk to the few dealers that dont accept credit cards? And for those of you that will say its stupid to buy something that expensive on a credit card..can I borrow the money from you?

JT-AR-MG42
October 15, 2009, 04:44 AM
that it allows the buyer the option of backing out of the sale by simply stopping or disputing payment. I am not a dealer. I have no axe to grind.

No offense to your word or name intended here.

Having the cash on hand, or at least half of it in some cases where you are trusted, gives the dealer or seller an extra feeling of security that you do indeed intend to follow the three month process through.

If you talk to some dealers, they might have had experience with buyers who back out during the wait especially when 50% was all that was put up. Some of the reasons are good ( family illness ). But the end result is that the buyer broke his word on a sale.

Flat out, the income you put up needs to be truely disposable. I set aside the cash ( as I save it ) in the safe, and pray something more immediately interesting does not come along in the meantime.

My take, JT

Skans
October 15, 2009, 07:13 AM
Here's the thing. When you purchase a machinegun, you own it from the day you bought it. The paperwork that lets you take possession of the gun may take up to 6 months to complete. And, you may find out that your CLEO won't sign off or run into other complications. Most folks would be inclined to dispute the charge on a credit card if they find out they can't take possession of the gun. Sellers and dealers can't let it work that way.

You assume the risk of being pernitted to own and possess the machinegun, not the Seller. So, if your paperwork doesn't go through for any reason, your only option is to permit the NFA dealer to sell the gun on consignment so that you can recover some of what you paid. No Seller in his right mind is going to take credit cards on this kind of purchase.

Willie Lowman
October 15, 2009, 08:43 AM
There are class III dealers that take plastic. The few I could think of have gunshops that do most of their business from title 1 sales.

I wouldn't expect them to take 100% payment from plastic.

jmorris
October 15, 2009, 09:08 AM
I'm willing to pay but having that much cash on hand that my wife would let me spend on one is another issue...

You just need to get more creative with your spousal embezzlement program. If you can’t pay cash for full auto you don’t need it because you couldn’t afford to shoot it anyway.

Unless you put your ammo on plastic too then a year from now your wife finds out that you’re $20,000 in debt and don’t have anything to show for it (at least in her eyes). After the divorce you’ll sit around and try to figure out why you didn’t have better communication with your wife and just pay cash up front.

Skans
October 15, 2009, 10:16 AM
You just need to get more creative with your spousal embezzlement program.

Now that's for dern sure true! (Enough said on that topic)

If you can’t pay cash for full auto you don’t need it because you couldn’t afford to shoot it anyway.

Don't discourage the guy. Ammo cost isn't that bad. It's not like the only gun you will have to shoot is your full-auto. I go through a 1000 round case of .223 about every 2 years. Since I use Wolf poly-coated steel cased stuff, it costs me about $140 / year in ammo.

why you didn’t have better communication with your wife....

Depending on what your CLEO is going to require, you may have to have lots of communication with the wife and be sweeter than pie. My CLEO wanted to interview my wife before signing off - SOP where I lived. I think he signed off for a guy who was a drunk and spouse abuser, and the papers spanked him for it. So, wife and neighbors get "interviewed". The very first thing you need to do, before you even look at class III stuff is have a conversation with your CLEO about the sign-off. If he won't sigh off and you are hell-bent on getting a machinegun, then the next guy you need to talk to is a lawyer who is familiar with Trusts, Corps and LLC's for NFA purchases.

p99guy
October 15, 2009, 12:27 PM
most credit cards allow some form of cash draw at a bank as well, if you have to turn plastic into paper. I noticed you live just up the road from me, as I'm in Haslet. I have one of subguns.com recommended NFA dealers as a neibor if you need one.

mrnkc130
October 15, 2009, 12:31 PM
Well you see I have one of those late model wives...whole different story boys.... I can get most of the cash to get one but using a credit card would mean I could probably get it sooner, without taking out a loan from my 401k or selling any of my stock, which I'm not against, its certainly seems to be a pretty good investment (not the reason I want it by the way) but not the easiest thing to convince the wife of...plus rather not get divorced.

I will have one though... wife agreed when we start building her covered arena that i could get one (should probably print something and have her sign it!!)

I have only found one class III dealer in the fort worth area... does anyone know of any in that area? or even within 200 miles or so? Looking for an m16.

also one more question for the FA owners...once i get one would i be able to get different trigger groups, I want semi burst and auto so i wouldnt want one that is just burst...

p99guy
October 15, 2009, 12:41 PM
yes, you can buy different fire selection controls for your future M16...I allways prefered the original safe-semi-full.

and as said above I know a good NFA dealer local to you. My wife's main hobby is horses as well

Willie Lowman
October 15, 2009, 01:24 PM
For recreational shooting, having a burst setting is like having training wheels on a Harley.

There are 4 position selectors out there for M16s but I don't know anyone who wants one.

After shooting a MP5 with the burst and auto switch I looked at the owner and asked "What's this crap between semi and full?"

Skans
October 15, 2009, 02:15 PM
I have an AC556 and rarely use the burst setting. The problem with it is that if you rip off 2 rounds, the next pull of the trigger will fire only one round. It's quite easy to control your full auto fire to short bursts, or even one at a time, if I want to.

p99guy
October 15, 2009, 02:28 PM
Alot of troops hate the M16A2 burst mechanism for example...it gives 3 different trigger pull weights in semi auto as the cartridge counter cycles around...and it too will shoot one round after a two round burst like the AC556. Your finger is the best mechanism going for limiting the lenth of the burst.

mrnkc130
October 15, 2009, 07:29 PM
I see...semi and auto is of course the main thing i want, but i figured why not have it all if you can? i've used the 16a2 on burst in the marines but not often it wasnt a feature they let us use very much...I imagine you can get some pretty consistent controlled bursts with just auto (which i think is the most effective way to use it) but takes a little practice, ive never shot the m16 on full auto..i cant wait though...i foresee a few mag dumps at least with some wolf! maybe a beta mag too...

freakshow10mm
October 15, 2009, 07:50 PM
The merchant (dealer) risks a chargeback if the buyer backs out. That costs the dealer money and the customer nothing.

The dealer is also authorized for a certain amount of processing every month. If they go over, it's an additional percentage and it's a lot. Unless they are approved for a seriously sum of transactions monthly, it will put them over the limit. Most over the limit fees I've seen are 5% over the standard 3%, so 8% of the sale price.

The NFA industry is filled with customers having champagne flavor on a beer budget. Buyers back out. Buyers get found out by their wives because they lost their balls years ago. Paying cash means your serious and committed.

When you purchase a machinegun, you own it from the day you bought it.
Absolutely false. It isn't your gun until the 4473 has been properly executed and the transfer is completed. You don't own anything until it is out of my log book.

p99guy
October 16, 2009, 12:52 AM
So do you want the contact info for the local dealer?

Skans
October 16, 2009, 07:43 AM
When you purchase a machinegun, you own it from the day you bought it.

Absolutely false. It isn't your gun until the 4473 has been properly executed and the transfer is completed. You don't own anything until it is out of my log book.

That's not how it was explained to me when I purchased my AC556 from a Class III dealer. I'm not saying that you are wrong on this, just that it was made very clear to me that I legally owned the gun the minute I paid for it, but that I had no right to take possession of it or even shoot it until the transfer was completed. My understanding is that the NFA transfer laws are based on possession (which normally goes along with ownership) but not necessarily legal ownership.

Otherwise, I would think it would be fairly easy for the buyer to demand his money back if the transfer didn't go through. If you pay for something and receive nothing in exchange for your payment, I think the law will generally support your right to demand your money back, less a reasonable amount to cover the seller's costs and compensate him for the time the gun was off the market.

Based on what you are saying, if someone paid full price up front for a machinegun, and the transfer didn't go through for whatever reason, the seller could opt to keep 100% of the buyer's money and simply sell the gun to someone else. I could be wrong, but I don't think this is correct.

The way it was explained to me, if the transfer couldn't take place for whatever reason, the gun is mine to sell, but it must remain with the Class III dealer and be transfered by the Class III dealer directly to a 3rd party if/when that person gets approved.

ilbob
October 16, 2009, 08:43 AM
IMO, if you cannot afford to pay in full for a new toy without incurring wrath from your spouse, you probably should not buy said toy.

Skans
October 16, 2009, 10:29 AM
IMO, if you cannot afford to pay in full for a new toy without incurring wrath from your spouse, you probably should not buy said toy.

Unless you are in the lucky 1% club, you are going to incurr the wrath of your spouse for purchasing a machinegun, regardless of what you pay for it. Breaking the bank for it might just turn "wrath" into "divorce". Tread lightly, my friend. A really ticked off wife can inflict way more pain and damage than a measly machinegun.

FORKLIFT352
October 16, 2009, 04:01 PM
You should look in to a "lightning link."
Some could be had for 6-8000.00.
They are used in a AR-15 and when easily installed turn
the semi function to full auto.
I read that a modified trigger group can yield any select fire
one would want.

freakshow10mm
October 16, 2009, 04:26 PM
Skans, explain the outcome here.

Guy comes in and pays cash for a machine gun from me. I file the papers. Lock the shop, go home. Someone breaks in, steals the machine gun.

Do I file a theft/loss report with the ATF? Why or why not?

mrnkc130
October 16, 2009, 11:39 PM
The dealer is also authorized for a certain amount of processing every month

Thanks freakshow I figured there had to be some sort of reason like that, makes sense, sucks but makes sense why they dont want it charged...

A really ticked off wife can inflict way more pain and damage than a measly machinegun.

Seems like you may have already met my wife at some time Skans!!

You should look in to a "lightning link."
Some could be had for 6-8000.00.

I have been looking around for those too... never seen any for sale that were civilian transferable (just the dealer ones, $40 for 2!!! what a shame) but i have always heard they are way more then 8k, closer to 11k or so, IMO if you are going to pay that much might as well get the whole gun for a little more, plus im not crazy about just safe and auto as my only options, i have also heard the can bend and break after a while, just rather have the real thing i guess.

IMO, if you cannot afford to pay in full for a new toy without incurring wrath from your spouse, you probably should not buy said toy.

you must be rich, really rich, me? not so much. I'm not trying to dodge or hide anything from my wife, i explained that earlier, it would just be easier for me, and permit me to get it faster if I could use a credit card for some of the purchase thats all, my marriage is worth more to me than a machine gun.
Does she like the idea of me spending that much of course not, but she has agreed that I can get one, so no need to hide it...

So do you want the contact info for the local dealer?

yes yes i do, Im also wanting to order a suppresor from YHM very soon so that would be great i'll send you a PM thanks!

There are 4 position selectors out there for M16s but I don't know anyone who wants one.


You know one now! as long as its straight down for burst then I think I would want one, might as well get everything that i can if im spending that kind of money, wouldnt use it much so i would want it straight down so i dont have to just flip by it all the time on the way to auto...

gyvel
October 16, 2009, 11:41 PM
You should look in to a "lightning link."
Some could be had for 6-8000.00.
They are used in a AR-15 and when easily installed turn
the semi function to full auto.
I read that a modified trigger group can yield any select fire
one would want.

All of what you mentioned sounds illegal to me.

PTK
October 16, 2009, 11:46 PM
They're legal. Search for "registered lightning link" or "RLL" on subguns or Stg44 or similar. In fact, there's a bunch for sale out there right now.

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=15918&query=retrieval

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=15933&query=retrieval

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nfa4sale.cgi?read=122315

mrnkc130
October 17, 2009, 12:12 AM
Thanks for the sites PTK...I dont know how long I spent on google and never found sites like those...

anyone here have a lighting link? are they really as good as a FA trigger group?

are lighting links the same thing as a DIAS drop in auto sear? I have read about things referred to as DIAS but only ever seen pictures of things called lighting links (the metal plate with a tab) or is lighting link just the name brand?

PTK
October 17, 2009, 12:59 AM
In terms of value, durability, and usefulness...

Lightning link < DIAS < AR-15 conversion RR < Colt M16 RR.

mrnkc130
October 17, 2009, 02:26 AM
so what is the difference between a DIAS and a lighting link? Ive seen drawings and diagrams and even 80% complete lighting links (not sure how legal that is) but never of the DIAS for an m16 anyways. do they operate on same principal? I sure like that 7k number better than 14k!

Chipperman
October 17, 2009, 08:03 AM
Lightning links (at least the ones I've seen) are Full-auto only, where the DIAS will give you Select-fire.

Hkmp5sd
October 17, 2009, 09:02 AM
Here is one thing to consider when buying Lightning Links, DIAS and/or registered sear conversions....

If the registered conversion part breaks or wears out it cannot be replaced, only repaired, if possible. BATF considers replacing it with a new part to be the new manufacture of a machine gun, and a civilian could not own it, as it would have been made after the effective date of 18 U.S.C. sec. 922(o). This wear/breakage thing is also true of the receiver on a gun where that is the registered part, but in general the receiver is less subject to wear or breakage than a small part, like a sear. Being larger, a receiver may also be easier to repair.

Bardewell's NFA FAQ (http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nfa_faq.txt)




it would just be easier for me, and permit me to get it faster if I could use a credit card for some of the purchase thats all, my marriage is worth more to me than a machine gun.


I actually went to the bank once and applied for a loan to get a machinegun. They couldn't determine how to use the gun as collateral for the loan, so they offered me a high interest rate and I turned down the loan.

Skans
October 17, 2009, 12:13 PM
Skans, explain the outcome here.

Guy comes in and pays cash for a machine gun from me. I file the papers. Lock the shop, go home. Someone breaks in, steals the machine gun.

Do I file a theft/loss report with the ATF? Why or why not?

As I understand it, the BATFE Form 4 registers the NFA firearm to a particular entity or individual. That person is permitted to possess the NFA weapon and is responsible for complying with NFA regulations in that regard. It is not the same thing as a title to a vehicle. The Form 4 merely says, that as far as BATFE is concerned they will look to you as the owner of that gun. Notice that on the Form 4 the Transferor is refered to as the "registered owner of the firearm"....not the legal owner. I believe it is possible to have a different legal owner than the registered owner....and in fact this does take place when someone pays full price for the gun, no refunds, but the transfer remains pending for 4 months. During that time, you have a legal owner and a registered owner and they are not one and the same.

Legal ownership would still be determined by state law and the law of contracts as interpreted in your particular state.

In your scenario, I would say that the guy who purchased the machine gun had his gun stolen while it was in your custody and control. However, as far as BATFE is concerned, until the transfer is complete, you are responsible for reporting the theft to BATFE.

mrnkc130
October 17, 2009, 11:16 PM
I actually went to the bank once and applied for a loan to get a machinegun. They couldn't determine how to use the gun as collateral for the loan, so they offered me a high interest rate and I turned down the loan.

they must have wanted to do an unsecured signature loan, I has thought about that too but interest is higher than a credit card!

I guess if you took out a secured loan on a machine gun and defaulted on it im sure they could think of a way to reposses it, probably just dont want to mess with the paperwork, i have found a lot of banks are lazy like that, i think they forget even though you are getting a loan from them, you are the customer and they need you more than you need them.

I'm thinking I will probably just use cash I have on hand and take out a 401k loan for the remainder...seems like the best option for me, probaly a better idea than using a credit card anyways.

I looked around on the internet for a little while today looking for the DIAS and found some pictures of them and desrciptions of how they work, I also read you have to set them correctly and they need to be shimmed in place and all sorts of other stuff, seems like quite a hassle which really makes me question reliability...seems like it could be pretty tempermental.

In terms of value, durability, and usefulness...

Lightning link < DIAS < AR-15 conversion RR < Colt M16 RR.


PTK i was wondering why you rated a converted registered reciever below a colt m16? if it was a conversion (not a married DIAS and lower) are they not the same? basically a m16 bolt and fire control group dropped into a previously semi automatic lower?

If they are cheaper I think I would rather go that way than an actual m16. Im not looking for historical signifigance of any kind, I would likely get rid of an A1 upper and old m4 style buttstock as soon as i got it anyways, i would also, if worn at all, replace the entire trigger group and bolt with a 4 position selector.

Does anyone know are you required to destroy or turn in a FA trigger group if you replace it? how many spare parts could you have laying around for it? just curious...

PTK
October 18, 2009, 11:32 AM
If they are cheaper I think I would rather go that way than an actual m16.

Is the lower in spec? Is the new autosear hole anodized? Is it located correctly?


Can't really tell any of that over the internet, can you.... ;)

jmorris
October 18, 2009, 06:11 PM
A here is good info on the lighting link and even shows how to set them up so they are select fire. http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/lightninglink.html

http://www.quarterbore.com/images/nfalightninglink-01.jpg



They also have good info on the DIAS http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/dias.html

http://www.quarterbore.com/images/JCBDIAS_01.JPG


And registered receivers http://www.quarterbore.com/nfa/registeredreceiver.htm

http://www.quarterbore.com/images/m16_lower.jpg

Mr. Davis
October 18, 2009, 07:09 PM
IMO, if you cannot afford to pay in full for a new toy without incurring wrath from your spouse, you probably should not buy said toy.
Not everyone who uses a credit card for a purchase is taking out a loan. I use a CC for the rewards points and purchasing protections, and pay in full each month, for example.

It would certainly be foolish to go into debt and pay 9-27% interest on a $20k machine gun plus ammo, but I don't think that's what's happening here.

jmorris
October 18, 2009, 07:19 PM
It would certainly be foolish to go into debt and pay 9-27% interest on a $20k machine gun plus ammo, but I don't think that's what's happening here.


It is.

I'm willing to pay but having that much cash on hand that my wife would let me spend on one is another issue

If she wouldn't notice it at the end of the month she wouldn't at the beginning either,

mrnkc130
October 18, 2009, 11:29 PM
It would certainly be foolish to go into debt and pay 9-27% interest on a $20k machine gun plus ammo, but I don't think that's what's happening here.


yeah that would be foolish, but i wouldnt plan on using a CC for the entire thing like I said, and im not taking to knob creek either to try and keep pace with the mini gun, 20k? not even close, maybe 6-7k.

you FA guys dont seem like you want anyone to join the party...is this like joining a snobby country club or something? I'm not poor but I also don't have 15k in cash I can drop on a gun without batting an eye lid, that doesnt mean i'm not worthy of owning one.

jmorris- thanks for the links much appreciated!

Is the lower in spec? Is the new autosear hole anodized? Is it located correctly?

PTK- What would be out of spec? I was under the impression that all the lower's are the same, only exception I know of is the colt's with a smaller diameter front take down pin, that you can buy different pins for-what else could be different?

autosear hole annodized- Are you just talking about the hole for the trigger or the one that the hammer pivots on? is this just done to make sure the hole does not get ovaled out by the increased stress of FA? Could I take a lower that was not annodized somewhere and have that done to it?

location-I thought all the holes were in the same place on recievers that were FA of SA...are they not?

jmorris
October 19, 2009, 07:58 AM
not even close, maybe 6-7k.

you FA guys dont seem like you want anyone to join the party...


You can join the party for less than that. Once you start it's not like you can only have one. I would just start with a MAC or some other SMG that will cost less than half of what you already have and fire much cheaper ammunition. Take what is left over and start building the fund for your next toy. That plan is interest and deception free.

David Hineline
October 19, 2009, 11:19 PM
Most credit cards issue checks, just write a CC check to the owner of the NFA item and the deal is done.

p99guy
October 20, 2009, 03:00 AM
There is also the joy of suppressed weapons as well:) one shoulnt have to go though life without a suppressed .22 at very least.

mrnkc130
October 20, 2009, 03:36 AM
+1 on suppressed, hopefully that is what I will get for christmas from my wife, i've been dropping some hints we'll see...223 supressor is what i want 1st. i'd also like to find a 9mm suppressor that would would work with a 9mm ar and also a 9mm pistol if i can ...

444
October 20, 2009, 01:35 PM
"you FA guys dont seem like you want anyone to join the party...is this like joining a snobby country club or something? I'm not poor but I also don't have 15k in cash I can drop on a gun without batting an eye lid, that doesnt mean i'm not worthy of owning one."


Since you decided to go "there", let me tell you what I think. I think you had your mind made up before you started this thread. I guess you thought everybody on here was going to tell you to go ahead and make a bad decision. When that didn't happen, you come out with that comment.
Why would it make any difference to the full auto community whether you owned a machinegun or not ? How would it effect me ?

The question you posted was more a financial question than it was a gun question. Buying anything at all on credit is almost always a bad decision in MY opinion. Personal debt is one of the biggest problems facing our society today.
Unfortunately, for most of us working stiffs, there are certain things that we just can't resonablely come up with the money to buy. Our homes and vehicles usually head the list. You end up paying a lot more for the item because you bought it on credit and you put yourself in a situation where if anything bad happens, you could lose them. But, it is pretty much agreed by our society that the added expense and risk is worth the reward. However, buying frivolous toys on credit, and at a very high interest rate at that, is a very bad idea in every way. Other than instant gratification it has no redeeming qualities at all. And in this case you are not even going to get that since you won't be taking home the gun for months. Obviously this is your decision. Obviously this is your money and your life. But, you asked our opinion on it, so I am giving you mine.

The decision to buy a machinegun at all is IMO something you need to seriously evaluate. Are you going to get as big a kick out of it as you think ? How often are you REALLY going to shoot it on full auto ? And is all that worth the money ?
Most people I know that buy a machinegun are tickled to death with it for the first couple shooting sessions. Then they get a huge kick out of showing off to their friends. But, after a few months it comes out of the safe less and less. I haven't had mine out of the safe in a year probably. We even have monthly matches which I go to about once or twice a year. The whole full auto thing just doesn't pull my chain. What does pull my chain is firing a single round and hitting exactly where I wanted to put it. I should have considered that before I bought a machinegun in the first place. I am not getting rid of it, but it basically just sits there.

Hkmp5sd
October 20, 2009, 03:44 PM
I haven't had mine out of the safe in a year probably.

About the same for mine.

Skans
October 20, 2009, 04:48 PM
I still get a kick out of shooting my AC556. And, it's fun to take when I go shooting with friends. I've had mine for 8 years now and I've most definitely gotten my $2,400 worth of fun out of it. But, if I had to pay $6,500 for it, I could honestly say I probably would never buy it and I wouldn't regrett it either.

The only other full-auto "gun" that I may some day get is a sear for my
FNC. That would be about $3000 for the sear and about another $800 or so for the conversion. I haven't done it that, so that aught to tell you something about where my cut-off is for gun fun.

Willie Lowman
October 20, 2009, 05:42 PM
+1 to 444's comment.

If you have the money right now to buy the gun, buy it. If you want to use a card to buy it and pay it off over the next year... Don't. If you want to use the card to somehow hide the purchase from your wife, call a good divorce attorney because it sounds like you have bigger problems.

Another thing that is prohibitive about owning a machinegun is feeding it. In my experience with a 9mm subgun, I told all my friends that they could shoot it ONLY when they bought their own ammo. Sure I let a few people shoot it on my dime but 25 rounds of 9mm cost $6! Six bucks burned up in two seconds, insert another mag and burn six more. (yes 9mm costs more now) I don't know what you are looking to buy but if it is in .223 or .308... Burn fifteen bucks in two seconds...

444
October 20, 2009, 06:42 PM
Willie, you indirectly brought up another good point about machinegun ownership.
You spend five minutes loading a magazine. The it is gone in seconds. Then you spend another five minutes loading a magazine, and it is gone in seconds.
I load a bunch of magazines at home and they are gone in minutes.

It gets real old, this magazine loading.

When I take somebody out that wants to shoot my gun, I am not a real big stickler on making them buy ammo. Most of them show up with ammo just because it is the right thing to do. BUT............I do tell them that if they want to shoot my SMG, THEY have to load the magazines. ;)
Even if they bring their own ammo, we always end up shooting some of mine because they don't realize how quickly you run though a couple hundred rounds of ammo. They show up with a couple hundred rounds of ammo thinking that is enough for everybody there to shoot. They think they are going to have some fun and in turn are paying me back by letting me shoot their ammo. Never works out that way though. 200 rounds of ammo is only six mags.

mrnkc130
October 21, 2009, 12:38 AM
All I asked was why do most dealers not accept credit cards, I never said I was going to buy the entire thing on a credit card, or asked if that was financially wise, although i figured there would be comments about it. Nor did I mention hiding it from my wife, I appreciate the concern but I know my wife well enough, if I did hide from her we would get a divorce, I know that.

My plan was to possibly pay for part of it with a credit card, probably get a new credit card with 0% interest for a year and put 5-6k on there to soften the blow so I could get my machine gun a little sooner, I dont see the issue with that.

I didnt mean to offend anyone with the snobby country club comment that was a joke, I was just amazed at the responses telling me if you cant pay cash for one and afford 5k a year for ammo without even thinking about it that you shouldnt own a machine gun, I disagree.

As for buying it an never using it, I'm sure to some extent I will use it less over the years, but I dont think that is a reason not to get one. When I bought my 1st motorcycle I probably rode it every day, now I hardly ever ride it, still glad I have it though. I think the same is true with most toys.

Ammo- sure its expensive. But paying 1k a year for 4k rounds of steel case stuff to blow away on FA isnt that bad, hardly a reason not to get one. I plan on letting friends shoot it too if they bring thier own ammo and some for me, Im sure I can score another 500 rounds a year for free that way.

Thanks for all the input everyone!

David Hineline
October 21, 2009, 01:03 AM
Reasons for no CC acceptance, the dealer takes up to a 3% hit on the item, there is a chance you try to do a chargeback on the deal and the card company sides with the consumer,

jmorris
October 21, 2009, 08:49 AM
Nor did I mention hiding it from my wife,

That is what I understood from this quote from your first post.

I'm willing to pay but having that much cash on hand that my wife would let me spend on one is another issue


Don’t get me wrong, I hope when I die my wife doesn’t sell my firearms for what she thinks they are worth but I don’t ask about her shoes and purses either.