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muffinman
October 9, 2009, 03:15 PM
what is the quietest suppressed setup for a .22 pistol ever?

ruger mark 2 with subsonic ammo?
and any modifications that would make the setup quieter
semiauto of course too.

tom234
October 9, 2009, 03:24 PM
Most if not all high speed ammo shot from a pistol is sub sonic anyway so there is not much sound reduction there. CB ammo is quieter but still noticable due to short pistol barrels and CBs don't feed well in semi-auto pistols. [CBs are pretty quiet in long barreled .22 rifles]. You won't get a really quiet .22 pistol unless you suppress it.

muffinman
October 9, 2009, 03:26 PM
yeah thats what i meant. anything to make it the quiestist

mrclean77
October 9, 2009, 03:36 PM
have to ask why you wanna know?

David the Gnome
October 9, 2009, 03:42 PM
I'm thinking something along the lines of this:

http://www.swrmfg.com/images//V2/Warlock_01.jpg

Would be your best bet. I'm not a fan of the Walther P22 but if quiet is what you're after, they offer several models with threaded barrels. A tax stamp is pretty much all you need to do it.

rjrivero
October 9, 2009, 04:00 PM
I would perfer a sig with a similar barrel extension. ;)

DaveTec
October 9, 2009, 04:02 PM
Colibri primer loads in any type of .22 revolver. About as loud as a hand clap. Kill a squirrel dead.

Even quieter in a rifle. (but you need the super colibri's to insure that the round clears the barrel)

You can literally shoot them in your garage without the neighbor's knowledge.
http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/image?saleitemid=946854

TOMBECK
October 9, 2009, 07:08 PM
For real quiet - a slide lock is great with a silencer - puuuff - with subsonic.

PSP
October 9, 2009, 08:53 PM
The quietest .22lr I ever saw was a Colt Woodsman with a integral suppressor and slide lock.

muffinman
October 9, 2009, 09:30 PM
what is a slide lock?

Crosshair
October 9, 2009, 09:49 PM
what is a slide lock?
A device that locks the bolt closed so you don't have propellant gasses escaping from the breech of the gun.

Walter
October 9, 2009, 10:41 PM
Quote:
what is a slide lock?
A device that locks the bolt closed so you don't have propellant gasses escaping from the breech of the gun.
And you dont have the noise of the slide slamming open and shut.

But I have never seen a .22 pistol with a slide lock, is it a custom
feature, or is it standard on some pistols?

Walter

Crosshair
October 10, 2009, 09:21 AM
It's a custom feature. I know of no pistols where it is standard.

muffinman
October 10, 2009, 11:47 AM
is this custom feature hard to get? does it make it not semiautomatic anymore?

PSP
October 10, 2009, 12:10 PM
is this custom feature hard to get? does it make it not semiautomatic anymore?


A slide lock renders the pistol a single shot. The only pistol I'm aware of that had a slide lock, in this case called a "Schieber device", incorporated into the design is the HK MK23 "Socom", but it was dropped from the production guns. The excellent suppressor that was mated to this gun proved very quiet.

The Woodsman I saw was a custom pistol.

RAnb
October 10, 2009, 03:42 PM
Quietest ever? I'm not sure which it would be, but I know for certain it is not the P-22 or any semi-auto with or without a slide lock. The longer the barrel, the less heat and noise that reaches the muzzle.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u320/ranb40/firearms/TC22lr.jpg

A break open single shot is not as nice as a semi-auto, but it can be much less noisy. Add on the oversized silencer and it makes a difficult combo to beat in the noise or accuracy department.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u320/ranb40/firearms/1895nagant-1.jpg

If you really need a repeater, then this old beat up 1895 Nagant will probably best the P-22 in the accuracy department any day. The target loads move a 93 grain bullet at about 700 fps, about the same power as a 22lr. Full power loads are still subsonic but a bit louder.

Ranb

Superhouse 15
October 10, 2009, 06:15 PM
I'm kind of partial to the 2213 S&W series myself. The low bore axis means the sights are useable without modification, the smooth slide allows you to put your thumb on the back to hold the slide closed, and the short barrel keeps most things subsonic. Easy to add a barrel nut/ thread adapter, too.

http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/trails/2200/Hsw2213L.gif

from Google images

TOMBECK
October 10, 2009, 07:12 PM
Slide Lock - as noted earlier - locks the slide closed to eliminate action and residual gas noise at ejection. They can be flipped up (in use) or down for normal function. HS and S&W 41s wer modified for US Govt use in the 60s. Possibly some civilian models also??

muffinman
October 10, 2009, 08:27 PM
dang i was hoping for a semiautomatic silenced handgun but i guess thats a stretch

so is there a way to have maybe a non semi automatic gun but that u haveto chamber every time. like for example a semiautomatic gun but that is cocked every time? i know there there is pump .22 rifles which might work good with a silencer? but could the auto loading feature on a handgun be stopped? or is there a handgun that can chamber fast(not bolt or break) but not rely on the blowback system releasing noise and gas?

-would a pump action .22 rifle be real quiet with a silencer?
-can a semiautomatic handgun be modified to not blowback and instead be cocked every time?
-is there a handgun or small rifle that can chamber a load fast (not break action) w/out releasing noise?
-is there any current production revolvers(w/ threaded barrel) that seal between the barrel and chamber?

thanks

muffinman
October 10, 2009, 11:42 PM
is there a way to have maybe a non semi automatic gun but that u haveto chamber every time. like for example a semiautomatic gun but that is cocked every time? i know there there is pump .22 rifles which might work good with a silencer? but could the auto loading feature on a handgun be stopped? or is there a handgun that can chamber fast(not bolt or break) but not rely on the blowback system releasing noise and gas?

-would a pump action .22 rifle be real quiet with a silencer?
-can a semiautomatic handgun be modified to not blowback and instead be cocked every time?
-is there a handgun or small rifle that can chamber a load fast (not break action) w/out releasing noise?
-is there any current production revolvers(w/ threaded barrel) that seal between the barrel and chamber?

JohnKSa
October 10, 2009, 11:45 PM
Yes.

Yes.

Not completely silently, but there are some that are pretty quiet.

The .32 caliber Nagant revolver seals the gap between the barrel and cylinder during the moment of firing. I have seen video of one fitted with a silencer.

Moving to NFA.

hoytinak
October 10, 2009, 11:46 PM
I know you can get a bolt lock for Ruger 10/22s, so a 10/22 Charger would work...not sure about any other handguns though.

Venom1956
October 11, 2009, 04:38 AM
No... you can have a suppressed semi auto... the loudest thing will be the action working. which depending on the model can be quite silent. you can also install buffers in certain makes to reduce the noise of the slide rebounding. the bolt on a Ruger with a good buffer would seem potentially quieter then a slide to me, anyone agree?

-would a pump action .22 rifle be real quiet with a silencer?
why not? your going to make noise pumping it. probably similar to semi action working

-can a semiautomatic handgun be modified to not blowback and instead be cocked every time?
yes... its called a slide lock I think several have replied to your original inquiry.

-is there a handgun or small rifle that can chamber a load fast (not break action) w/out releasing noise?
anytime you have moving parts or loading on a firearm it will make noise. What exactly are you trying to do? your questions are confusing.

-is there any current production revolvers(w/ threaded barrel) that seal between the barrel and chamber?
Not to my knowledge its a complex and unnecessary that requires specially made cartridges . PS you can get any barrel threaded. Just take it to a good smith.

gyvel
October 11, 2009, 05:39 AM
I'm a little confused here.

How would:

(1) a semi-auto that's rigged to require manual recocking/reloading for each shot,
or:
(2) a pump rifle that requires manual recocking/reloading,

be any quieter than a bolt action rifle that also requires manual recocking/reloading for each shot???

Also, to answer your initial question, years ago I had a Winchester Model 67 single shot .22 rifle that had a 27" barrel and was incredibly quiet with standard velocity long rifles and almost completely silent with shorts. When a short was fired, it sounded about like a small twig being snapped.

muffinman
October 11, 2009, 08:06 PM
so a silde lock will make it not blowback?

koolminx
October 11, 2009, 08:10 PM
I was shooting 22 shorts and 22 low velocity yesterday through my J Stephens break barrel single shot .22 pistol and they sounded like a Pop Cap gun without hearing protection on.

I barely registered the shot through the 6 inch barrel with the shorts and the low velocity rounds.

bcarver
October 11, 2009, 08:51 PM
Three noises a gun creates.
1. bullet breaking the sound barrier.
Answer- sub sonic bullets.
2.action of gun.
Answer- less moving parts. single shots or bolt guns.
3.Expanding gases.
Answer. closed action,long barrel,suppressor,less powder.

In a pistol, a contender with 14" barrel a large volume suppressor shooting the weakest charged heaviest projectile you could find.
However this is a poor shooting weapon. It would be long and bulky, inaccurate and ineffective.

RAnb
October 13, 2009, 11:14 AM
In a pistol, a contender with 14" barrel a large volume suppressor shooting the weakest charged heaviest projectile you could find.
However this is a poor shooting weapon. It would be long and bulky, inaccurate and ineffective.

You are saying the contender pistol is inaccurate? Mine is not. It is about the same as my Marlin and Ruger 10/22 rifles (non match grade) as accuracy is concerned. Better than my 10 inch bull barrel Buckmark, Winchester 06 and wayyyyyyy better than my P-22. Yeah it is a long bulky break open single shot, but if you hit the target on the first shot, then that is all you need.

Ranb

Polomax
October 25, 2009, 03:08 PM
Im VERY happy shooting my S&W 41 with a Soundtech Can it has a slide dampener and is mouse fart quiet.:D Also the sights are fully useable and this HUSH puppy is a tack driver.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=53031&d=1256501152

jsykes
October 25, 2009, 03:43 PM
How silent do you want it? Even a semi auto .22 pistol is extremely quiet with a good silencer. Rack the slide with some vigor and that is about as loud as it gets. I could easily shoot in a backyard and not have the neighbors know what was going on.

Here is my 10/22 semi auto rifle with SWR Spectre and you can hear its almost dead silent even with the action moving. For an idea of how loud, listen to the end and you hear the hammer drop on an empty chamber and its almost as loud as the action cycling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IEihyQRpAE