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roy reali
October 9, 2009, 07:48 AM
In the state I now live in, dogs are forbidden to be used in deer hunting. In fact, the only big game that you can have dogs to assist you is mountain lions. In California, you can take a dog deer hunting, but you can't use them to course them.

There is a guy I met in California that takes his shorthair deer hunting. He gets a deer every year. Before you say big deal, remember, California deer hunters have a ten-percent success rate, the lowest in the country. In Germany, shorthairs are expected to be able to help hunt not only for birds, but large and small game too. They have to have big game hunting ability to be certified. How they help, how they are used, I don't know.

Does anyone here use dogs to deer hunt?

Does your state even allow it?

How would a dog help in the pursuit of deer?

lizziedog1
October 9, 2009, 08:30 AM
Hunting with dogs is as natural as it gets. The first human hunters used dogs. In fact without dogs, our forebearers wouldn't have advanced their diets from berries and grubs to venison. Without that nutrional advancement, we would probably still be in caves.

The only big game I have ever hunted with dogs is wild boar. I did it once, let me tell you it was one of the most exciting hunts I ever did. Anyone that tells you that dogs give humans an unfair advantage have tried it.

hogdogs
October 9, 2009, 08:36 AM
Deer dog hunting is big time in florida but it is traditional chase and shoot.
Brent

roy reali
October 9, 2009, 08:58 AM
Deer dog hunting is big time in florida but it is traditional chase and shoot.


How does it work? I mean, do the dogs drive the deer to the hunters? Are the dogs trained for this?

Thanks, I am curious.

Art Eatman
October 9, 2009, 09:52 AM
Ruark describes deer hunting with dogs in the Carolinas in one of hiis stories in "The Old Man and the Boy". McKinlay Kantor's "The Voice of Bugle Ann" is a literary classic. And there are another gazillion books and short stories about all manner of hunts with dogs...

hogdogs
October 9, 2009, 10:04 AM
Basically the dogs take a track and eventually they will push the deer by one hunter or another. Several hunters set up around the area the dogs are working. You listen for the baying dogs and as they approach you keep your eyes open looking for the deer. dogs further back equals a slower moving deer so many guys want a dog pack that isn't super fast runners.
Training the dog to take deer tracks and ignore all other animals is done thru a process we call "trash breaking" and many use the same shocker training system that upland bird hunters use.

Brent

koolminx
October 9, 2009, 10:35 AM
I personally don't understand why folks do it other than it takes the work out of stalking the game yourself.... Enjoying the woods without a whining howling dog next to you...

Like shooting a shotgun to shoot a bird (you shoot 40or whatever # bullets at the same time), I couldn't use a dog to hunt because it would feel like cheating....

But those of you that do, and like it, good by you! :)

roy reali
October 9, 2009, 10:43 AM
Like shooting a shotgun to shoot a bird (you shoot 40or whatever # bullets at the same time), I couldn't use a dog to hunt because it would feel like cheating....


Do you use a club or pointy stick to take your game? Do you use a slingshot for flying birds? A rifle could be considered cheating too.

lizziedog1
October 9, 2009, 10:50 AM
I get a kick out of people that claim using dogs for hunting is cheating. They then pull out the latest wonder-magnum rifle topped with an 30-powered scope and proceed to drop an animal hundreds of yards away. Some of these guys even erect a blind and hide in it or bait an area to attract the game.

Cheating began when man started to wear clothes and shoes, invented gunpowder, and devolped the internal combustion engine.

oneounceload
October 9, 2009, 11:34 AM
Having first started big-game hunting out West on wide-open public land (where dogs are not allowed), I thought it was against the ethics to use them. Having moved to FL and seeing the thick, impassable undergrowth they use dogs to push the deer, I would not have an issue using them. Personally, I consider a stand in a tree sitting next to some food plot to be more unethical than using dogs to drive them. Out West, if you planted some form of food plot next to a watering hole the DOW is going to be confiscating your truck, gun and handing you a big fine while taking you to jail.

Different parts of the country have different ways to make it work with their quarry and their environment

koolminx
October 9, 2009, 11:37 AM
No Roy, I take all my bird game with a Bow and Arrow! I'm no cheater...

I have a NEF shotgun but don't use it for game, only paper and skeet...




K
P.S. I've never shot at a deer from farther away than 50 yards. I have never had the need to.
P.S.P.S. I NEVER lure or feed any game I hunt. If you feed it it's NOT hunting. It's shooting.

Buzzcook
October 9, 2009, 11:38 AM
No dog hunting in Washington either, except for birds and some cougar hunts.

Dogs can be used on deer in the same way that they are used on birds. Hunters will walk right by most game without even seeing it. The dog alerts the hunter to where the deer is laid up giving the hunter a chance to see the deer.

koolminx
October 9, 2009, 11:43 AM
If you're not paying attention to everything around you right down to the caterpillars and the squirrels, then you're out hiking, not hunting... It's OK to miss some game now and then, I mean everyone needs to stop & smell the roses now and then, but I hunt for food, and, self worth as a provider, it just makes sense to me to do it alone.

I have seen the Louisiana and Florida woods and a Dog certainly makes sense! But I'd rather go it alone...


K

rantingredneck
October 9, 2009, 12:53 PM
NC is split right down the middle on this issue. Eastern part of the state and some parts of the Central Region (basically north of I-85) you can use dogs to chase deer. The Western Region and southern end of the Central region is off limits to deer dogging.

I have owned deer dogs and hunted with them in the past. It's definitely a more 'social' type of hunting where you need more than a few people and need to work together to cut off the deer and/or the dogs.

You are talking short range shooting, primarily with shotguns and buckshot, in thick woods/brush or along the edges of same. I've killed quite a few deer with a Beagle, Blue Tick or Walker right on his heels.

As more large tracts of land are being split and subdivided dog hunting is falling out of favor. Neighbors don't like it, understandably so, when the deer and dogs get by the standers and run all over their property. Dog hunters and non-dog hunters get into disputes as the two hunting styles clash (and I've found myself on both sides of that one).

For me personally, it isn't worth the expense or hassle anymore, but I do respect the tradition and support others in hunting with dogs where legal.

Pahoo
October 9, 2009, 01:32 PM
Some years back, I hunted in Alabama and at that time, they allowed running deer with dogs. Before setting one foot in Alabama, I too thought that it was cheating. The geography changed my mind and decided that perhaps the state's DNR, knew what they were doing. One morning while in my stand, heard and then saw a deer run past me like a bat out of you know where. Shortly followed by a dog and you could tell he was on the trail. Whistled at him and he paid me no mind. Came back to the Midwest with a different perspective on this subject. Take my word for it, it's definitely not cheating.



Be Safe !!!

RedneckFur
October 9, 2009, 03:30 PM
Im originally from southeastern North Carolina, the deer-dogging capital of the US, as far as I know. I grew up hunting deer with dogs, but gave it up when I became an adult and realised that its a lazy, shameful way to hunt. I've got more respect for myself, and for the deer, than to do that again.

Pratice varies from club to club, but in a typical deer/dog hunt, the hunter sits on the tailgate of his pickup, drinking coffee until the deer run across the road. he'll lift his shotgun, fire a load or two of buckshot, and then hope he can catch the dogs before the tear the deer up too much.

I hunted with many different clubs growing up, and Most years I saw the radiator of a truck get shot out. Even saw my father hit the dirt once when buckshot came wizzing over his head from an over-zealous dog hunter with buck feever. Disagree with me if you like, but my personal feeling is that hunting deer with hounds should be banned.

Deer that have been run by dogs all day are tough, and their meat has a very gamey, somewhat chemical taste to it.

And the big, smart bucks, they know how to evade the dogs.

rantingredneck
October 9, 2009, 06:50 PM
So......tell us how you really feel......:)

I agree there are clubs out there like that, but like anything else it can be and is done better than that.

One of the reasons, other than the ones from my earlier post, that I don't hunt with dogs anymore is that it's too much work chasing after and maintaining the dogs.

SavageSniper
October 9, 2009, 08:15 PM
+1 on Rednecks response. I have no problem hunting deer with dogs, done it alot growing up. I have not hunted that way in 20 years though. I prefer to hunt alone, just me and Mother Nature. Dog hunting is more of social thing. Several people, bunch of dogs, alot of stories. It is alot of fun. Now when it comes to hog hunting, dogs make all the differance in the world. Any anti dog hunter just has never hunted hogs with dogs.
By the way. They say that NASCAR's orgins come from bootleggers. Nope, they come from folks hunting deer with dogs. If you ever have, then you know what I mean!

BIGR
October 9, 2009, 08:24 PM
Hunting deer with dogs is not allowed where I live, but on the other end of the state where I deer hunt it is allowed. I do not use dogs and mainly stand hunt. If a person desires to use dogs then its ok with me. There has been a few times when deer dogs on the joining property has brought some deer through by my stand.

butta9999
October 10, 2009, 04:34 AM
I hunt for Sambar deer a lot on the hounds in Victoria. The season is nearly at a close. There are restrictions on breed of dog, all dogs have to be registered and have tracking collars on them.

Dogs are only permitted in Most State forests, but not allowed in and National Park, Nature Resurve or Sanctuary.

Here is a pic of some of the dogs on my last hunt..

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52545&stc=1&d=1255167129

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52546&stc=1&d=1255167171

These are some of the dogs retrieved on the next day. I think we still had about 20 odd to gather in. 5 deer were shot weekend including a 28 inch stag.

CajunBass
October 10, 2009, 04:48 AM
I've never killed a deer that wasn't being run by dogs. Well, I take that back. I killed one that a dog driver jumped. I just happened to kill him before the dogs got on him.

Deer hunting with dogs is no different than rabbit hunting with dogs. There are slobs that hunt deer with dogs. There are slobs that still or stand hunt. There are good, hardworking hunters that do all three.

As for the mechanics. Depends on how many people you have. If you have a big crowd, you could surround a big piece of land. If you only have a few, you break "the drive" up into smaller sections.

We had numbered stands and the stand numbers would go in a hat before each drive. You took the stand you drew out. Usually someone experienced would be assigned the last stand on the line to make sure everyone dropped off at the right place.

At a set time, the "drivers" would let the dogs go and "drive" them through the woods. Just like rabbit hunting. When the dogs jumped, they were on their own. The drivers would either go back to the trucks, or just stay where they were.

The dogs would push the deer toward the standers (You'd be amazed how often a deer would be able to slip by unseen.) where hopefully someone would get a shot.

Many hands make for a light drag out and a quick skinning and butchering.

The hunter who killed the deer got his choice (usually a hindquarter) and the head and hide (if wanted). The rest was divided and numbered and lots drawn. If there were more hunters than pieces of meat blanks went in. The idea being that everyone took home something, or at least had the same chance.

Dog owners and volunteers spent long hours rounding up the dogs.

Lazy? I'm sure it could be. If a person was lazy in the first place. However done right a dog hunt is as much work as I ever wanted to do. Dog drivers walk their legs off. So do most of the standers. They're up early and stay late. Dogs have to be taken care of all year. The club had work days every month. Like anything else, a handful of people did most of the work, but those who did were the real backbone of the club. They cut firing lanes, marked stands, filled in mudholes, built dog pens and dog boxes, worked on the clubhouse (we had a rather nice clubhouse) and grounds, and helped the landowners around the farm/property.

Deer hunting with dogs is no better or worse than any other type of hunting. It's different. That's all.

Oh and the dogs don't usually push the deer hard. I've only seen the dogs "nipping at his heels" a couple of times and they were all on the initial jump. A deer can shift gears and leave the fastest hunting dogs behind in short order. Sometimes the deer seem to stop and wait for the dogs to catch up.

You don't want a really fast dog. Fast dogs push the deer out of the woods. Slower ones push them just fast enough to keep them moving. You want the deer to just run around in the piece of woods to offer the most opportunities for a shot. Walkers are probably the most popular dogs, but beagles are/were gaining favor for just this reason. (I never saw a bluetick, or a black and tan I'd have given ten cents for. That'll start an argument. :) )

But let me tell you something. There is NOTHING more exciting than hearing the tailgate drop and the dogs hit just as soon as they come out of the box. Man that will make the hair on your neck STAND up. You just KNOW they're heading right toward YOU.

shortwave
October 10, 2009, 05:29 AM
Deer hunting with dogs in the state of Ohio is a big no-no. Matters-a-fact, most DNR will tell you if your hunting and see a dog running deer 'drop it'. I think that attitude started around mid to late 60`s when the deer pop. was bad(to say the least) and DNR was trying to build our herd. We`ve got a great deer pop. today. It is legal to track a 'hit' deer with a dog. I believe the dog has to stay leashed. If someone`s state allows hunting with dogs its not cheating IMO, when in Rome... Sometimes attitudes towards different styles of hunting can be compared to religion, my ways right and everyone else is going to hell. People are raised hunting a certain way and anyone that varies from their way is wrong:rolleyes:. Usually that type of person has never hunted to far from their own back door. Different states allow different style`s of hunting for different reason`s. Never deer hunted with dogs but if its legal where your at 'go for it'.

rantingredneck
October 10, 2009, 06:53 AM
Walkers are probably the most popular dogs, but beagles are/were gaining favor for just this reason. (I never saw a bluetick, or a black and tan I'd have given ten cents for. That'll start an argument. )


No argument here. I've hunted with blue ticks and black and tans and walkers. My dogs were always beagles though. For exactly the reasons you cited. Those long legged dogs put the deer in high gear. I'd rather them stick to a comfortable trot with a short legged little beagle on their track.

There's also something really cool about a happy dog who knows he's done exactly what you wanted him to do. Back about 5 years ago, I had an old beagle that had hunted many a season. We turned him and 3 others out one morning in a big thicket on the property we hunt. The deer and dogs separated and took off in opposite directions. One deer was brought down, but there was a pack of 3 dogs trailing a herd of does in circles in the thicket.

A buck broke out through the standers and headed for the highway. I heard my dog heading after him and slung my gun and took off at a trot up an old logging road to cut them off. I got to a cut off point just ahead of the deer and tucked in behind a cedar tree. The deer came trotting up and stopped and looked back at the dog a couple hundred yards behind him. He started to trot again and I rolled him in the logging road. My dog came running up to me wagging his tail and just happy. He then sat his fat butt down right beside my gun while I dealt with the deer.

I lost him about 3 years ago to old age. He was my last hunting dog. Too many nights out looking for him when he got past the standers.

ZeroJunk
October 10, 2009, 02:55 PM
RRedneck, my neighbor had a pack of Walkers and he hunted down at Rougemont in your neck of the woods. I think it is too developed now, at least where he had permission.
He just liked messing with the dogs. Kinda like the guy that brings his Beagles over to rabbit hunt on our lease after deer season doesn't even take a gun.

hogdogs
October 10, 2009, 03:01 PM
Here is a song by a true country boy. It really shares the Deer Doggin' experience for those who do not get to see it. I hope those who have run dogs will get the warm fuzzy deep down feeling. For those that haven't tried it, I hope ya'll get a little peek at what we seek...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG48FaYX2mo
Brent

butta9999
October 10, 2009, 05:39 PM
Well hound hunting in Victoria is the most commited, hard, physical form of hunting i have ever seen and been a part of.

I used to think hunting off the dogs for Sambar was the easy way out till i saw it for myself. The dedication week in week out, and the physical side of it was unbelievable.

If any of you guys from the US ever visit Victoria in Australia and you want an extreme form of hunting. go on the hounds for a weekend.

jgcoastie
October 10, 2009, 06:13 PM
I grew up hunting deer and rabbits with dogs down in central Mississippi (the REAL dog-hunting capital of the world). My dad and I raised some of the best rabbit beagles in three counties. The memories I've shared with my dad and granddad chasing rabbits are some that I hold most dear.

Most of the guys in our hunting club raised walkers and black & tans for deer. A few had beagles, but they were in the minority. Overall it was a good club, but sadly it has been almost shut down. Most of the land that they leased is from paper companies (GP, IP, etc) and they have issued new regulations this year prohibiting deer hunting with the aid of dogs. Of the 7,000 or so acres they hunt, the paper companies own roughly 5,500 acres right in the middle of the hunting grounds. Only the locals (and fewer of them than last year) allow dog hunting on their land. Because of that, fewer people have joined this year and it looks like they won't have enough $$$ to pay the leases.

It's sad, I remember the first deer I ever killed was with the club. A big-bodied doe popped out in the middle of an old logging road, looked around for the dogs that had been chasing her and by the time she saw me squatted down in the middle of the road, that .243 bucked and she never took another breath. I remember dad saying "Shoot her buddy, she's got a lot of meat on her." BOOM! "Good shot son, I'm gonna make a hunter out of you yet." We walked on down to her laying in the middle of the road with the dogs all sniffing around at her and he talked to me about how important it was to respect the game I'd just killed and we sat down right there and prayed, thanking the Good Lord for providing us with that meat. He still talks about that day, even though we've hunted together hundreds of times since then. In hindsight I think me harvesting my first deer was more important to him than it was to me.

Sorry for the lengthy trip down memory lane, but I hope the journey helped bring another prospective to hunting with dogs. Not all dog hunters are unethical pieces of crap, the bad ones have ruined it for the rest of us for the most part, just like everything else in this world...

rantingredneck
October 10, 2009, 06:25 PM
Rougemont in your neck of the woods.

Rougemont isn't far from where I hunt at all. The folks who lease the neighboring property still dog hunt. We occasionally hook up with them for a big doe cull toward the end of the season. The landowners appreciate us taking as many corn and bean eating deer off the land as we can each year.

This year I'm lagging behind. By now I've usually got 2 or 3 in the freezer with the bow and I've been skunked so far.

shortwave
October 10, 2009, 08:32 PM
hogdogs,Thanks for the song. Been debating bout getting another Beagle. Sure miss the rabbit hunting. Someone posted about a guy rabbit hunting their deer lease at the end of deer season and sometimes not bringing his gun. I can definitely relate. The whole process of finding a good pup to the many hours of training is surely a true pleasure. Just taking a dog you`ve trained affield and watching it work, dog doing what you know it loves to do, the satisfaction is unexplainable. For those that have trained/hunted with dogs,you know what I mean. For those that have never(and your a dog lover), you don`t know what your missing. Don`t think there`s a stronger bond between animal and man then a hunter and his dog. Guess I`ll be looking for a good Beagle hunting bloodline now:eek:. Thanks for the thread roy reali:rolleyes::D.

roy reali
October 11, 2009, 01:53 AM
What is more natural, hunting with dogs or hunting with guns?

The first human hunters used dogs, they did not use guns?

Again, which is more natural? Humans probably learned their hunting skills from dogs. The whole team work and must have a pack leader mentality.

CajunBass
October 11, 2009, 04:43 AM
There's also something really cool about a happy dog who knows he's done exactly what you wanted him to do.

Ain't that the truth?

A quick dog hunting story. We got permission to hunt a farm we didn't lease, but the owner let us hunt a couple times a year. I got the assignment to go in on a place we leased and cut the drive off on the back side. I had the place to myself, just pick a spot and move around as needed.

I got in position and the drive started and the dogs hit right away and the chase was on. I listened and it sounded like the pack split up. Most went one way, but a couple were coming toward me. It wasn't long before I saw a deer, but it was too far away to take a shot (shotgun and buckshot). She went on over the hill and out of sight with two dogs trailing her. Before long I couldn't hear the dogs either.

I relaxed and listened to the chase in front of me. They weren't coming near me, but it was a good chase anyway. I'm sure I heard a shot or two from over there, but can't swear to it today.

About an hour later I spotted a doe coming down the hill toward me. She was just walking, and looking around. When she came in range, I dropped her with two loads of number 1's. It was the third deer I'd ever killed in my life, and I had just killed no 2 a week or so before, so man I was pumped.

Then I heard one dog bow-wowing, so I got ready again. Before long I realized that the dog was trailing the deer I just killed. He came right down the same track right up to the deer laying on the ground and gave me a "THERE IT IS! I knew I'd catch it. IT'S MINE!!" look. Man he was proud of himself.

It was one of the same two dogs (beagle's) that had come by me earlier. They had carried that deer in a big circle, just like a rabbit will do. I'm not even sure she knew the dog was behind her she was so far ahead. I had killed her before I even heard the dog. He was so tired I thought we'd have to carry him out of the woods, but he had never given up.

Hawg Haggen
October 11, 2009, 06:19 AM
We can hunt with dogs, even have two seasons especially for it but I don't. I know people that do and I have no problem with it. I just like to hunt alone.
Now if you really want some fun go coon hunting at night with a dog.:D

TheNatureBoy
October 11, 2009, 07:45 AM
Dogs are allowed here in the state of Virginia. If I remember correctly there was an effort to prohibit the use of them a few years ago but it fell flat on its face. Truth be told, I enjoy watching and listening to a good pack of deer dogs work more than the actual hunt itself.

bamaranger
October 27, 2009, 01:10 AM
Dog hunting deer is legal in my county.
So, technically, I have no basis for a gripe unless the deer dog hunters do any of the following:
-release the dogs on property closed to dog hunting, say before daylight so as to reduce the likelihood of being caught, then place standers along the boundary to shoot at deer being run out by dogs (examples, WMA's, parks, adjoining leases/clubs that do not sanction dog hunts)
-trespass, armed, and when confronted, claim to be attempting recover their dogs
-listen/stand for extended periods of time while dogs run on closed property and make no attempt to recover the dogs
-tell me that "dogs can't read" (the boundary sign, etc) like I can't figure that out myself, when confronted about any of the above

jgcoastie
October 27, 2009, 02:11 AM
Dog hunting deer is legal in my county.
So, technically, I have no basis for a gripe unless the deer dog hunters do any of the following:
-release the dogs on property closed to dog hunting, say before daylight so as to reduce the likelihood of being caught, then place standers along the boundary to shoot at deer being run out by dogs (examples, WMA's, parks, adjoining leases/clubs that do not sanction dog hunts)
-trespass, armed, and when confronted, claim to be attempting recover their dogs
-listen/stand for extended periods of time while dogs run on closed property and make no attempt to recover the dogs
-tell me that "dogs can't read" (the boundary sign, etc) like I can't figure that out myself, when confronted about any of the above

Just one more case of the few messing it up for the masses... I guess we should just ban it huh? Regulate it to the point of impossibility so that we are no longer annoyed...

Oh, wait... The government is doing that already, only they are targeting much more valuable things than dog hunting...

"Use your rights or lose them..." So the saying goes; I think the real problem is that ethical, law-abiding dog hunters are a dying breed, so there aren't enough voices in the defense box to be heard over the "ban it cuz it's mean!" box... It is we who have failed ourselves; we did not pass on the tradition to the younger generations... So the tradition is lost. Tragedy or not (IYO), it's a loss to the hunting community as a whole...

Uncle Buck
October 27, 2009, 07:30 AM
Here in Missouri, you can't hunt with dogs, but you can track with them to find a down animal. My favorite tracking dog you ask? Why it is my miniature Poodle. Lol!
Had one last year I lost in a corn field. I found blood spots and I just could not find her. I took the poodle with me to give her some exercise while I was looking again. She got on the trail to something and I decided to follow her. She led me right to the deer.
If you see a dog running deer, you are supposed to contact the local game warden and let them him/her know. Most folks I know claim they just shoot the dog. I do not agree with shooting anyone's dog unless it is a repeat offender and the owner has been notified of the infraction.
I envy you folks that do hunt with dogs. I think it would be exciting and quick paced, reguardless of what you were hunting.
My biggest concern would be the hog hunters. I would be afraid the dogs would be hurt.

DRice.72
October 27, 2009, 08:09 AM
I have never hunted with dogs. When I was a kid I hated dog hunters. Where we live, as redneck has said, you can't hunt deer with dogs, but you can dog hunt coon, and bear. Problem with that was, you can't tell a bear not to come on your land, and the dogs follow the bear. Now we were poor, I mean no electricity or running water poor, so we NEEDED the deer and I don't' care what you say dogs run off deer. Bear hunters would have one run across us, well you couldn't buy any wild game for a week! When you rely on something, anything that takes it away you look down on. As I have grown up I have learned more about hunting, and thus more about dog hunting. I have been invited to go on a bear hunt and I most likely will, when I get a gun suitable for it. As for hogs, I have wanted to do that for a long time. We don't have many hogs here in Western NC. I really don't look on dog hunting with a bad light anymore as I have come to learn that where you live has more to do with how you hunt than anything. Still hunting is great in theory, but I doubt anyone will have much success mucking through a swamp in thick under brush Your going to make far too much noise to be effective and in the small scrub that seems to grow there more than anything, a stand is also mostly useless. If I had to hunt there, I imagine I would use dogs to drive the deer to a place that was accessible to me. JMHO.

jgcoastie
October 27, 2009, 10:43 AM
we NEEDED the deer and I don't' care what you say dogs run off deer.

Thought you said you'd never shot a deer before... If you really did need them, I would venture to guess that you would've killed a few...

:rolleyes:

DRice.72
October 27, 2009, 10:56 AM
I never have. I have seen many deer when I was a kid. I had the best hunting spot around. I got wedged into a rock crevice above an old abandoned logging road, it was through a low gap in the mtns, and everything passed by me. We only had one deer rifle, and I had a Win. .22 lr. I wasn't allowed to shoot a deer with it because if I missed the deer would only be wounded and probably die someplace else.

bamaranger
October 28, 2009, 01:56 AM
I never said anything about banning dogging deer.

Just so nobody else thinks I hate hounds. My Dad was a rabbit hunter and we had beagles. Heck I've got two myself, still. Other guys in town would offer to buy my Dad's dogs, but they were not for sale. My BEST memories concerning my father are hunting bunnies w/ my him.

But I have had many bad experiences w/ dog deer hunters.

If Dad had a kennel of deer dogs, I would likely be in there today. But we bowhunted deer (clumsily, in those days).

If the deer doggers I deal w/ just stayed legal, and had some manners I'd have a better opinion.

rmocarsky
October 28, 2009, 02:09 AM
If the dog catches up to the deer, do they just bay it up, or try to kill it?

Rmocarsky